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To me it looks like the only murders that are connected to LISK are the two in Manorville, the four in GB and the four in Atlantic city. They were all missing shoes, and they were dumped close together so he can view their bodies decomposing. I agree with the profiler who said that there is more than one active SK.

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Have there been anymore recent murder victims found in or around GB since that John Bittrolf guy was convicted? He was convicted of murdering two women in Manorville (not sure if they are the two victims mentioned in the documentary) and suspected of a third, but the police say he's not suspected of being LISK. Why not? He seems like a very plausible suspect.

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Anyone with a tip should contact the Suffolk County PD, at one of the numbers listed here.

Or, contact the FBI, and submit a tip form or call a field office

10 bodies
5 years
0 arrests
What happened at Gilgo Beach?


December, 2015
Newsday

[...]

A day before the fifth anniversary of the discovery of the first body, police announced the FBI will take a more prominent role in the homicide investigation to take a “fresh look” at the case.

Read more in this thread:

Five Years Later: FBI to Assist in the Probe, December 2015
I wonder if they too have the inkling that he's traveling the area & possibly the coast?
Hi all, I'm new. I love this series so far! I didn't get a chance to watch episode #2 yet. I just want to say that I find it extremely odd that Shannan's 911 call was never released, even to the family after "accidental death". I call bull crap! Also, did the houses she called 911 from not let her stay? Did she run out afterwards? Maybe I missed something there.

I am bipolar and I feel like someone in her family would have noticed her erratic behavior beforehand. My family and friends ALWAYS know considering your personality and behavior change drastically.


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Yea Peter knows his stuff and when he has a theory he usually has the evidence to back it up.
If the torso killer did that then LISK better watch out. Peter made it sound like the torso killer would have zero issues killing LISK. Maybe he already did. I found the theory that Jack the Ripper may have met his fate at the hands of another killer working his "territory" absolutely fascinating.

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I have a dumb question re: the show (which is AWESOME BTW)-who does/did the music score of the 1st episode? You can PM me if this is not an appropriate question for this forum. Big kudos to Josh and Rachel for this film.
The theme is "Bela Lugosi's Dead" by Bauhaus

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There it is again! I've seen Scopolamine mentioned before as a date-rape drug, probably because it makes people malleable. Isn't it also known as "truth serum"? Widely rumored to have been used by intelligence services during the Cold War?
I'm wondering two things though....why would it be necessary to use a date-rape drug on someone who's already there for the purpose of having (paid) sex? And, is there any evidence from the victims' autopsies of this being in their systems?


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Well seeing that the victims were all relatively small, maybe he's not very strong or fast, possibly disabled somehow and that is how he subdues them...?

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Well seeing that the victims were all relatively small, maybe he's not very strong or fast, possibly disabled somehow and that is how he subdues them...?

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Not only would the women be easier for him to control, but since he seems to give attention to precision, he might want conformity when he " lines them up ."
Maybe since the b. bags generally each hold 100 pounds, he wants his victims to easily fit them?
Wondering if whatever vehicle he uses to transport them, get weighed and he must keep to some weight restriction?

http://commercialbagsupply.com/by-material/burlap/
Our potato bags are typically 100 pound bags made from 7 ounce fabric. These can be used to store food, but are also great for weekend gunny sack races!
 
I also see on Backpage, there are a few posts from men looking for escorts–one male coming in from out of town to NYC over Thanksgiving and looking for a female to hook up with. This got me thinking about the victims and their listings on Backpage and Craigslist. Due to the passage of time, I know it's impossible to go back and look, but does anyone know what the victims advertised in their listings? Their usage of keywords may have a common theme with each other that might help create a profile of the killer's targeting of females and/or sexual interests.
Have you tried using the way back machine?

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Well seeing that the victims were all relatively small, maybe he's not very strong or fast, possibly disabled somehow and that is how he subdues them...?

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Is it possible the victims could be high on whatever drugs they may already be on ?

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Aw, man, I was settled on the couch utterly enthralled when the most recent episode ended with the cop saying they had DNA. Now we have to wait all week!

I really like the Florida LE. His attitude towards releasing info to the public I agree with.
 
Well considered thoughts, thank you msvick66. The thing that stands out most about the LISK case, is the appearance of information being withheld or covered up, then this sense one gets of an intense need to bury the story, locally, over time. There may be an inherit culture that surrounds some instances of wealth to bury any controversy that would make them look bad, thus perhaps pressure on local journalism to not dwell on it and belittle those who do. The murderer/s of these women would have been aware of this cultural tendency in the area and played it well as they continued to kill endlessly, it seems.

I imagine the "The Killing Season", besides not being great for property values, makes for uncomfortable dinner conversation around the bespoke tables in the New York metro area that would not last long. Most print papers thrive on real estate listing, to a large extent. It would take a few sneers in the right places for the silencing effect to pervade. People who like to be seen putting their money where their mouths have been, for appearances? Just imagine how talk of butchered hookers dotting their landscape doesn't go over well at a charity ball empowering women? Distancing is most of what you can expect from the establishment press in the New York metro area would be my guess, not compassion, let alone the interest that would threaten their sense of themselves as magnanimous arbiters or morality. It must not touch them, the savage murders of these women, dotting their beaches. The flesh trade in this area is huge and not at all secret, after all.

There always an inherit culture to cover up and obfuscate if illicit cash flow is involved, obviously. Don't want to give the world a bad impression, after all, or bring down property values. Most of all though, the impression of doing good for the world and women in particular, this little segment of society thrives on, don't want to be seen as touched by anything tawdry. The serial killers in Long Island knew exactly what they could get away with and all have for a long long time, now. This kind of reaction is a shameful blight on their legacy, the civic minded wealthy folks in Long Island and Manhattan who turn away from it. It hits them deep and oh so uncomfortably in their pockets, pews, and parties. The fear they share on their bandwagon is not about becoming a victim of a serial killer. They don't want their country kitchen style burlap decorated apple carts tipped. Can't botox this one away folks. It's time to pay attention, as the attention may make things worse, with more aspiring serial killers who may tick to just how easy it is to get away with murdering women on the margins of Long Island. My observations, alone.



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Very well said!!

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Lemme know if I'm breaking any rules with this post, but I have nothing to say yet other than how cool is it that they used Bauhaus for the opening song?
It's pretty much perfect. Totally sets the eerie tone of the show.

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Not only would the women be easier for him to control, but since he seems to give attention to precision, he might want conformity when he " lines them up ."
Maybe since the b. bags generally each hold 100 pounds, he wants his victims to easily fit them?
Wondering if whatever vehicle he uses to transport them, get weighed and he must keep to some weight restriction?

http://commercialbagsupply.com/by-material/burlap/

Your comment has me wondering if LISK meets his victims in a public place and then asks them to go for a ride or something like that. Victim assuming they are only meeting someone in a public place (lets say for to keep someone company and not sex) they may likely consider leaving their phone home. I did notice there was an amusement park not far from GB. Perhaps, the victim could have thought that because there were many people around, they didn't have to worry about not having their phone, that they could always cry out for help if they needed to.

The amusement park has me intrigued. Burlap sacks are used for that big slide you see at them. Could LISK be a seasonal worker there?

Along the lines of leaving their phones behind~~do we know for sure the victims left them behind? Could it be possible, LISK went to their apt or home and left it there? After all, I assume they had some kind of ID with their address on it.

Were the phones ever tested for DNA or fingerprints?
 
I just finished watching the first four episodes of The Killing Season. Wow! Well done! I see it generated alot of activity on the LISK thread. It's a good sign. Growing public interest may help solve these murders.

I'm re-watching them now because there were some things that I want to jot down for future discuss. I can't wait to see the next episode!

Thanks Josh and Rachel for your hard work and dedication. May God bless you and everyone for your efforts to revive interest in solving this case.
 
I had this same sickening thought

Many shared one of those, I imagine. Enjoyed reading your thoughts, LadyAstrid, I thank you for sharing them. :bow:


Does anyone think the serial killer could be killing men too? Just curious since there were eight male skeletal remains found in Fort Myers Fl not long ago.

I was thinking all along about the theory of it being someone who may have been working on a boat but the most compelling evidence was the guy from the nursery. My question is what did a sex worker do to this person? I drive a truck and i remember the guy who was murdering prostitutes at truck stops where he would stop because he Had contracted the aids virus from one .He seems to have a issue with women that are in the sex trade

While serial killers sometimes partner with others the wealthy angle to me doesn't fit because they could order an escort from one place and take to another. Back page has women who will come to you who aren't high-end material from a call in service. It seems to me to more for in with the old troll for a prostitute only back page makes it even simpler. Wealthy people have others procure people for them not line them up so many feet apart IMO. He took body parts from old site to new site meaning he takes pride in having them be in his garden so to speak. It just doesn't seem to fit with being wealthy.

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Thank you each of you for joining Websleuths, for taking the time to watch "The Killing Season" on A & E (available to stream for free until Jan 31), and especially for your great new posts. Much appreciated and so pleased to you're on the Websleuths threads for solving the LISK murders and more.
 
Not sure if this is the correct thread to post this:

When I connect JANE DOE Nr.3 ( mother of toddler, found just off the service road on Jones Beach) in a straight line to where LAQUETTA GUNTHER was found (alley across from 650 between 703/705 North Beach St, Daytona FL) or Daytona Beach in general or Atlantic City in general, look at the locations:



  • Jones Beach NY, at least 10 on JB and GB/ Statepark
  • Atlantic City NJ, AC-4
  • Norfolk/Virginia Beach VI, any unsolved murders?
  • Wilmington NC, any unsolved murders?
  • Daytona Beach FL, DB-4
  • Orlando FL, any unsolved murders?
  • I-4 all the way to Lakeland/ Bartow FL, plenty unsolved murders


If LISK was to be responsible for all 10 murders ("lineup")from JB to N of GB, then I find it highly interesting, that LI/GB, AC, DB and most of the I4-stretch lies on one straight line!!


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Wow, No it's not! It is boss! Thank you. Marking maps.
 
Not sure if this is the correct thread to post this:

When I connect JANE DOE Nr.3 ( mother of toddler, found just off the service road on Jones Beach) in a straight line to where LAQUETTA GUNTHER was found (alley across from 650 between 703/705 North Beach St, Daytona FL) or Daytona Beach in general or Atlantic City in general, look at the locations:



  • Jones Beach NY, at least 10 on JB and GB/ Statepark
  • Atlantic City NJ, AC-4
  • Norfolk/Virginia Beach VI, any unsolved murders?
  • Wilmington NC, any unsolved murders?
  • Daytona Beach FL, DB-4
  • Orlando FL, any unsolved murders?
  • I-4 all the way to Lakeland/ Bartow FL, plenty unsolved murders


If LISK was to be responsible for all 10 murders ("lineup")from JB to N of GB, then I find it highly interesting, that LI/GB, AC, DB and most of the I4-stretch lies on one straight line!!


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http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t34049.htm

This states there are unsolved in Wilmington area. A few things that pop out-some are sex workers (probably more than some, but not confirmed), strangled/or unknown COD, these are pre LISK dumps I believe, several went missing in Summer months...not a lot of details out there on any of it. I'll look to see if WS has any threads for them...

ETA-I haven't read everything on this case but it stood out that 2 of the Wilmington victims both had first names starting with A.

Two cases...NC - Allison Jackson Foy, 34, Wilmington, 2006
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...33&share_tid=41933&share_fid=730&share_type=t

NC - Angela Nobles Rothen, 42, Wilmington, 10 June 2008
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...97&share_tid=53997&share_fid=730&share_type=t

Still looking...no WS page for Barbara Jean Anderson, Racheal Keyes, Rose Marie Mallette, or Tracy Lynn Johnston. That I can find.
 
http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t34049.htm

This states there are unsolved in Wilmington area. A few things that pop out-some are sex workers (probably more than some, but not confirmed), strangled/or unknown COD, these are pre LISK dumps I believe, several went missing in Summer months...not a lot of details out there on any of it. I'll look to see if WS has any threads for them...

ETA-I haven't read everything on this case but it stood out that 2 of the Wilmington victims both had first names starting with A.
The alphabet killer...

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