A view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #2

[katiecoolady]

Thanks for your comments about being in court!!

Can you tell if Jodi's stare-downs are obvious? Who in the court room could see these? Can you detect what emotion she might have when she does these?

I ask because I find it fascinating that she would do such a thing in court!!!!

I've talked to a few people who have felt they were obvious because they were directed at them...katieddj being one of them.

Anyone can see them but again she is at quite a distance. I've not seen her do them in the presence of the jury.

Her usual ever present emotion of , let's see what shall I call it? Sociopathic vacancy.

 

[katiecoolady]

Katie - are you going down to court tomorrow?

Any other members going tomorrow?

Katie - do we need to send you in a Teflon bubble from now on? Don't let that socio/psychopathy leak into you - it is hell to get out!

I'm actually not going tomorrow. I need to make some money. I have a full day of clients tomorrow so no but back Wed. and Thurs. I'm hoping we get to juror questions at least by then!

I'm pretty good at not letting that stuff get stuck in me. I work with lots of pain being released all day long so I don't take it on. I just found that little moment of disorientation interesting. Maybe what some of the jurors will go through..emphasis on THROUGH.

 

[katiecoolady]

Sounds like ponytail is on Jodi's side

I don't interpret it that way. Just reporting what I see.

 

[katiecoolady]

Katie, Thank you so much for all your insights! MUCH appreciated! (THREE gazes from JM? My heart would have been all aflutter!)

One question: Was there any sense of anger and outrage in the courtroom when that mash-up was first played? I honestly wanted to throw something at my TV screen!

Hugs and blessings to all the family members from Alabama - and to you for supporting them! You ROCK! :rocker:

YES. I posted about Jeff gold being outraged. Jake didn't even come back after the break or say goodbye to me I think he was just totally :furious: He has limits to this stuff on how much he can tolerate.

 

[katiecoolady]

During a long sidebar after the DVD played, the camera panned and when it showed you, you had a strong look of shock & disbelief on your face.

I just really couldn't believe that bs could come in!

 

[Bada Bing]

Katie, some guy called into Nancy tonight and said Jodi's brother Joey is acting out on his facebook page, saying his sister just taped the phone sex to give to future GF's of Traviss.

 

[katiecoolady]

do you still feel comfortable with the jury making the right decision?

how long do you think this redirect will go on???

thx!!

Let me just say this.

Juan Martinez gets the last word. He gets it while summing all of this up for the jury. This is a no brainer, to me. The evidence is crazy strong. Starting with the fact she's admitted this crime.

People I talked to thought he will take all dam day tomorrow to continue with this Sympathy Tour for JA which IMO is backfiring.

So to answer your question, as wearying/infuriating/shocking as this all is and horrible for the family to endure in this short term I continue with my one solid belief system.

This jury will convict Jodi Arias and sentence her to death.

 

[cubbeegirl]

5 yrs ago my best friends 13, yr old daughter was murdered by her step-uncle.Over the course of the trial we noticed that one of the jurors seemed to be not paying attention and in fact seemed to be dozing off alot. During our lunch breaks we worried about him and fussed and said he needs to wake up and pay attention.
After the verdict was read another friend and I were leaving the courthouse together, he pulled up alongside us and offered his condolenses on our loss. He also told us that he had determined that the step-uncle was guilty based on the evidence presented and that he knew early on due to this evidence that he was guilty. He turned out to be a high school teacher. The step-uncle was convicted of second degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, plus hard labor. The DA opted not to go for first degree due to lack of DNA and was afraid he might lose the case entirely. I so wanted the death penalty for the monster who murdered our sweet Kaitlin.
I will never forget the words of the juror who spoke to us after the trial....He said...justice was not done in that courtroom today...justice will be done every morning for the rest of his life when he wakes up in his cell and knows why he is there and knows that he will never ever leave there alive...
I am hoping for a death penalty, but due to that sentiment I am ok with LWOP too...
Just goes to show you never ever know what a juror is thinking as we had him pegged as the one who wasnt even paying attention...turns out his first vote was guilty , and when the trashing of the victim even started in that jury room he was the one to shut it down...
Thanks Katie for your great reporting... I know it is draining to be in that courtroom...

 

[katiecoolady]

Katie, some guy called into Nancy tonight and said Jodi's brother Joey is acting out on his facebook page, saying his sister just taped the phone sex to give to future GF's of Traviss.

GOOD. I believe that as well.

 

[MeeBee]

I don't interpret it that way. Just reporting what I see.

Ok, thanks Katie. The reason I thought that was that she was furiously writing in her notes today. I thought if this was a change from last week it might be a problem. It could signal that she is more alert and interested in this part, the defense. But then you said she put a long question in the jury box and now I am not as worried, but Maureen and ponytail still kind of worry me. I am back to cautiously hopeful but I get pangs of anxiety when I think of the possibility of a hung jury or an acquittal. It scares me. But at the same time, they seem hard to read. Can I ask one question?

Did ponytail change at all today from when JM was up? Or Maureen? Or anyone else?

Thanks so much.

 

[katiecoolady]

Oh one more thing. Travis family friend today asked me if I was writing a book. I'm glad she asked me (so I could clarify) but it gave me a little feeling of heartbreak if people were wondering that about my furious note taking. She has a friend who lurks here who told her about me (shout out to you btw) so I explained where my notes were going and that I was also doing it to keep from blowing my stack in court.

I would never, EVER take advantage of this family by doing anything like that. My participation is just what you see it is. No other agenda whatsoever. In fact I'm wondering what to do with all my journals I'm taking notes on. Anyone want them? Tricia?

 

[katiecoolady]

Ok, thanks Katie. The reason I thought that was that she was furiously writing in her notes today. I thought if this was a change from last week it might be a problem. It could signal that she is more alert and interested in this part, the defense. But then you said she put a long question in the jury box and now I am not as worried, but Maureen and ponytail still kind of worry me. I am back to cautiously hopeful but I get pangs of anxiety when I think of the possibility of a hung jury or an acquittal. It scares me. But at the same time, they seem hard to read. Can I ask one question?

Did ponytail change at all today from when JM was up? Or Maureen? Or anyone else?

Thanks so much.

Yes, they all were more attentive. Including those two.

I understand your concerns. I just don't share them. I have complete confidence in Juan Martinez including his ability to pick HIS jury.

Also it will be interesting to see which jurors get tossed as alternates. THere will be 6 to go. Maybe it will be them then everyone can go out and party with ease during deliberations...or sleep...or eat Oreos...or all of the above.

 

[Plumeria5]

Yes, they all were more attentive. Including those two.

I understand your concerns. I just don't share them. I have complete confidence in Juan Martinez including his ability to pick HIS jury.

Also it will be interesting to see which jurors get tossed as alternates. THere will be 6 to go. Maybe it will be them then everyone can go out and party with ease during deliberations...or sleep...or eat Oreos...or all of the above.

How does that work? Does each side get to eliminate 3?

 

[MeeBee]

Yes, they all were more attentive. Including those two.

I understand your concerns. I just don't share them. I have complete confidence in Juan Martinez including his ability to pick HIS jury.

Also it will be interesting to see which jurors get tossed as alternates. THere will be 6 to go. Maybe it will be them then everyone can go out and party with ease during deliberations...or sleep...or eat Oreos...or all of the above.

More attentive? I am getting nervous. I'm getting CA jury flash backs.

Sorry if I seem a little irritating. I know you're there and I'm not and you see things we don't. But what if they believe her? What if?

 

[KBisMe]

5 yrs ago my best friends 13, yr old daughter was murdered by her step-uncle.Over the course of the trial we noticed that one of the jurors seemed to be not paying attention and in fact seemed to be dozing off alot. During our lunch breaks we worried about him and fussed and said he needs to wake up and pay attention.
After the verdict was read another friend and I were leaving the courthouse together, he pulled up alongside us and offered his condolenses on our loss. He also told us that he had determined that the step-uncle was guilty based on the evidence presented and that he knew early on due to this evidence that he was guilty. He turned out to be a high school teacher. The step-uncle was convicted of second degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, plus hard labor. The DA opted not to go for first degree due to lack of DNA and was afraid he might lose the case entirely. I so wanted the death penalty for the monster who murdered our sweet Kaitlin.
I will never forget the words of the juror who spoke to us after the trial....He said...justice was not done in that courtroom today...justice will be done every morning for the rest of his life when he wakes up in his cell and knows why he is there and knows that he will never ever leave there alive...
I am hoping for a death penalty, but due to that sentiment I am ok with LWOP too...
Just goes to show you never ever know what a juror is thinking as we had him pegged as the one who wasnt even paying attention...turns out his first vote was guilty , and when the trashing of the victim even started in that jury room he was the one to shut it down...
Thanks Katie for your great reporting... I know it is draining to be in that courtroom...

First, I am so sorry and thank you for sharing your story. That gives me hope that we could be totally wrong in our worries of certain jurors too.


Second, there was trashing of a 13 year old victim??? Seriously??

 

[KBisMe]

How does that work? Does each side get to eliminate 3?

It's a random name draw.

 

[MeeBee]

First, I am so sorry and thank you for sharing your story. That gives me hope that we could be totally wrong in our worries of certain jurors too.


Second, there was trashing of a 13 year old victim??? Seriously??

My thoughts too. Defense attorneys really will stop at nothing. How do they sleep at night?

 

[FrizzyKK]

The hugging demonstration must have been highly rehearsed. Jodi had her arm wrapped around that defense attorney before Nurmi could hardly begin his sentence. Did you notice a lot of writing from jurors during that time and how did they react? Jodi looked quite pleased with herself. If I were that attorney I would not want Jodi's hands on me.

I watched that today and saw the attorney do a sideways glance and smile at Jodi, it was like they were little girlfriends, was just such an odd moment...and I felt it was so out of context and part of jumping all over the place it was like grasping at straws...couldn't pay me money to let her do that..

 

[katiecoolady]

How does that work? Does each side get to eliminate 3?

Nope it's totally random. Luck of the draw.

 

[KBisMe]

More attentive? I am getting nervous. I'm getting CA jury flash backs.

Sorry if I seem a little irritating. I know you're there and I'm not and you see things we don't. But what if they believe her? What if?

I feel nervous sometimes too, but then I remind myself...

Even if they believe her abuse stories, that doesn't equal self defense. Her story of the murder alone doesn't justify her killing him. She has NOT established the level of fear, etc needed for self defense. Her story doesn't even make sense.

Them believing her might save her from the death penalty, but it doesn't change the facts of the case. JM will also remind them what this case is all about and that there is NO evidence supporting her claims of abuse.

She WILL be convicted.