Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #177

[Emma Peel]

This may confirm my theory of the case.

RAs phone was not at the bridge that day. A huge problem for the defence IMO, and why they never mentioned this fact in the Franks, yet it is implicit in the text of the document.

I'm not sure we know this?
We do know that RA's phone was not at the crime scene.

Not sure that's splitting hairs. Agree it's an important fact that's still gray.

JMHO

 

[Megnut]

IMO this collaborates 2 inferences from the Franks

1. RA's phone was not on the bridge checking stocks per his tip interview

2. RA's phone was not on the trails and leaving at 1.30pm

Where was RAs phone that day? What did he say in his pre-arrest interview about his phone?

Why did the defence not raise it in the Franks as exculpatory? Because it is incriminating?

You're so right! HUGE problem.

Assuming he left it at home/work or in airplane mode in his car, why would he be separated from it at all?

Welp.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

So the defense, that managed to have the contempt hearing postponed for two months, now requests that the judge just rule on it and skip the hearing. Those mean old disgraceful podcasters and YouTubers seem to have put the fear in them. I guess their own witnesses are scared of what they might say in court about the defense’s shenanigans. That was a quick turnaround.

 

[Emma Peel]

laughing at Hennessy’s late-day filed motion:

" Protesting too much, Mr. Beaudette has now written a fawning letter to the court denying allegations that haven't even been made yet"

Hennessey forgot the “ methinks”, but our friend Shakespeare is flattered nonetheless.

IMO Fig & Frank, et.al. played right into Hennessys’s hands. Classic.

 

[Emma Peel]

so - Hennessy and Defense spent the late afternoon filing a solid record and putting Gull and McL and Gull’s flirty court employees on notice.

Judge Gull will likely instant order
TLDR: DENIED x 7

(But - Moo - Ultimately, this is all very embarrassing for Gull and her court staff, withering for McL and Holeman and might change outcomes of March 18th and McL’s LE witness list)

JMHO

More later if we are all in the mood and the docket stops erupting every 8 hours.

 

[Emma Peel]

Motion # whatever … the motion to rid RA’s docket of this tine-wasting March 18th Comtempt hearing …

1. Currently pending is a hearing on March 18, 2024, on the defense motion to dismiss the States hope to punish the Defense counsel.

brutal.
and no “ /s “ warning even.

JMHO

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, she's making a record. Every motion, every order, etc is (supposed to be) entered into the CCS.
They are all making a record. Which is a very, very good thing.

Your statement sounded like you thought exactly the opposite. If I was wrong about that, my apologies.

 

[DeDee]

The Prof is a YouTuber or Podcaster (one or the other, but not sure which).

That may well be true and I could be wrong. However, maybe the OP was referring to Purdue Professor Turco who was interviewed by Lead Det Holeman.

It's not favorable that the Defense was attempting to suppress the gun evidence but it exposed, allegedly, that two officials willingly lied. The story is found at the link highlighted.

OCT 4, 2023
"On Sept. 18, the defense submitted a filing outlining why they believe the girls were "r**** s****" and leveled accusations against lead detectives of ignoring or intentionally suppressing that evidence for years. The filing was made as part of efforts to suppress evidence about a gun found inside Allen's home.
The next day, Sept. 19, the defense claims Holeman was able to find the Purdue professor, JeffreyTurco, and interview him. Holeman allegedly said he was working to setup the interview with Turco for several weeks. The defense claims that would have happened at the same time the prosecutor claimed they could not identify the professor. "

 

[girlhasnoname]

New filings

03/12/2024	Witness and/or Exhibit List Filed ADDITIONAL LIST OF EXHIBITS FOR CONTEMPT HEARING Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 03/12/2024
03/12/2024	Objection Filed OBJECTION TO CHANGE OF VENUE Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 03/12/2024
03/12/2024	Petition Filed VERIFIED PETITION FOR RECUSAL OF PROSECUTOR FROM CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 03/12/2024
03/12/2024	Motion Filed MOTION FOR SPECIFIC FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS THEREON Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 03/12/2024
03/12/2024	Petition Filed VERIFIED PETITION FOR RECUSAL FROM CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 03/12/2024
03/12/2024	Motion Filed MOTION TO STAY ALL ANCILLARY PROCEEDINGS AND GET THIS CASE TO TRIAL Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 03/12/2024

The desperation of a spaghetti defense. Throw enough stuff at the wall and hope something sticks. Classic Defense move, even more so by these 2. (3 if you count Hennessy)

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

That may well be true and I could be wrong. However, maybe the OP was referring to Purdue Professor Turco who was interviewed by Lead Det Holeman.

It's not favorable that the Defense was attempting to suppress the gun evidence but it exposed, allegedly, that two officials willingly lied. The story is found at the link highlighted.

OCT 4, 2023
"On Sept. 18, the defense submitted a filing outlining why they believe the girls were "r**** s****" and leveled accusations against lead detectives of ignoring or intentionally suppressing that evidence for years. The filing was made as part of efforts to suppress evidence about a gun found inside Allen's home.
The next day, Sept. 19, the defense claims Holeman was able to find the Purdue professor, JeffreyTurco, and interview him. Holeman allegedly said he was working to setup the interview with Turco for several weeks. The defense claims that would have happened at the same time the prosecutor claimed they could not identify the professor. "

I still stand behind my statement that just because the Defense says it, it doesn't make it true. They have proven to have exaggerated and stretched the truth to put it as kindly as possible.

Turco was interviewed shortly after the murders when all of LE was investigating the supposed "Odinism" angle. They found it more likely to be someone who was trying to portray or mimic that, so they investigated and dismissed the idea. Why would any of them have total recall of Prof Turco almost 7 years later? They've investigated thousand of tips and many others since then.

Of course, this is just my interpretation.

 

[sunshineray]

This Filing is from the Defense - Motion to Compel and Request for Sanctions.
NOTE - It's 18 pages long. Here's the second set of 9 pages ... divided b/c I'm wary as to how many screenshots this forum accepts in one post ...
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A bit odd that BR didn't sign this, he's RA's lawyer too and has signed every thing else recently filed.

 

[sunshineray]

The desperation of a spaghetti defense. Throw enough stuff at the wall and hope something sticks. Classic Defense move, even more so by these 2. (3 if you count Hennessy)

MOO

My goodness. We're going to flood the court with crapola and then...you know what...LOOK at all this crapola! Judge let's put a stay on all the doodoo we just did and let's get this show on the road already, ok?, alright?! All just my perspective.

 

[mrjitty]

I'm not sure we know this?
We do know that RA's phone was not at the crime scene.

Not sure that's splitting hairs. Agree it's an important fact that's still gray.

JMHO

Right - but if they had RA's phone on the trails that day, that into would either have been in the PCA or the Franks because it would support one case or the other.

 

[mrjitty]

This is why i wish Gull had moved all this sanctions mess to a different court. I am tuning out of it. Wake me up if anything relevant to the trial happens.

 

[sunshineray]

Just because the Defense 'believe it to true' or says it's true, doesn't make it true as we have learned time after time. They had to come back with something in response to the being thrown under the bus by the witnesses they listed. Classic.

They need someone to blame for not being ready for trial in May, even though they said they were ready to go in January. After reading this document it is obvious they are not anywhere near ready.

Please also notice at the end of the filing 69 q. and 70. where the font obviously changes. They've apparently stuck in the request for all info regarding anyone who has contacted NMcL. LOL It really is about as tomfoolery-ish as the Memo in support of Franks.

MOO

I can't tell you how many times I laughed outloud at the repeated stuff over and over again. Like, if you didn't hear me in #whatever, let me reiterated it again...and then again and maybe just one more time...because why? Did he (or his paralegal) have an end # they were shooting for? 70+, yeah that's makes it all sound very egregious doesn't it. I'm with you, I don't trust this D at all for accuracy.

 

[sunshineray]

I don't think that's the point although I don't know exactly what the implication is. That's why I would love to see the map.

One of the early crime scene maps from MSM had the murder scene quite a bit to the east, which led to a lot of discussion regarding the location of the bodies. However the scene was estimated to be about a third of an acre but we were never given any measurements.

It's been common knowledge for quite awhile, Sept 2020, that LE told Anna Williams there were 50+ people in and around the trails that day. Why didn't the D ask long ago for all the names of these people? It's mentioned around the 27:45 time mark.

 

[DeDee]

I still stand behind my statement that just because the Defense says it, it doesn't make it true. They have proven to have exaggerated and stretched the truth to put it as kindly as possible.

Turco was interviewed shortly after the murders when all of LE was investigating the supposed "Odinism" angle. They found it more likely to be someone who was trying to portray or mimic that, so they investigated and dismissed the idea. Why would any of them have total recall of Prof Turco almost 7 years later? They've investigated thousand of tips and many others since then.

Of course, this is just my interpretation.

Ok. I wasn't replying to you though so I'm a bit confused. You've made your stance abundantly clear on numerous occasions. Who expected total recall? The DA was given ample time to locate the expert witness.

May I request a source for this, please?
"They found it more likely to be someone who was trying to portray or mimic that,"

Mr. Baldwin was seeking the Professor's reports. DA couldn't supply him with a name for over a month, then wrote that they may not be able to find him or her. B&R are not seeking reports on the tens of thousands of tips. A town of 5000. IIRC, 9 were for RL. Tens of thousands of tips. How many tips were for Richard Allen?

I want the right person(s) held accountable for the rest of eternity for terrorizing two precious little girls, Abby and Libby, to their deaths. I want a competent prosecution team that's honest, organized, and ready but not more sneaky emails between strangers. I want the defendant to have a fair trial because if his rights are trampled, it'll be a crying shame that justice could be thwarted. The girls did their part by filming their killer. An arrest should have been made within a few weeks as RI opined.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

It's been common knowledge for quite awhile, Sept 2020, that LE told Anna Williams there were 50+ people in and around the trails that day. Why didn't the D ask long ago for all the names of these people? It's mentioned around the 27:45 time mark.

Probably because it should have been included in the discovery deadline. Considering Gull decided to kick the D off the case around that time, they didn't know the totality of what they had. They're still trying to get it all but Nick seems to have a problem turning discovery over, according to the filings. Seems to me it the P who is holding things up.

Attorneys should not have to ask for every individual item of discovery.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ok. I wasn't replying to you though so I'm a bit confused. You've made your stance abundantly clear on numerous occasions. Who expected total recall? The DA was given ample time to locate the expert witness.

You replied to Sunsetbeach who was replying to me, the OP. I'm sorry you're confused. Every poster here has an opportunity to make their stance, as long as it's done within the terms of TOS.

May I request a source for this, please?
"They found it more likely to be someone who was trying to portray or mimic that,"

<snipped>
Early on in the investigation, authorities consulted with a Purdue University professor concerning what resembled possible Odinism signatures left behind at the crime scene, the defense attorneys wrote. But that angle was "essentially abandoned" after the professor told law enforcement "it was not Odinism or any type of cult worshipping or any type of group that would have conducted the crime," as stated in the filing.
Court docs reveal horrifying new claims in killing of 2 young girls in Delphi, Indiana

Mr. Baldwin was seeking the Professor's reports. DA couldn't supply him with a name for over a month, then wrote that they may not be able to find him or her. B&R are not seeking reports on the tens of thousands of tips. A town of 5000. IIRC, 9 were for RL. Tens of thousands of tips. How many tips were for Richard Allen?

I want the right person(s) held accountable for the rest of eternity for terrorizing two precious little girls, Abby and Libby, to their deaths. I want a competent prosecution team that's honest, organized, and ready but not more sneaky emails between strangers. I want the defendant to have a fair trial because if his rights are trampled, it'll be a crying shame that justice could be thwarted. The girls did their part by filming their killer. An arrest should have been made within a few weeks as RI opined.

As do I, which I've stated numerous times.

MOO

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

In this article dated in 2019, LE, ISP & FBI had investigated 38,000 tips up until that time. I would think it safe to say they've investigated at least 30,000 more since then.

I can totally see where the LE team wouldn't recall each and every tip and how they were ruled out when you're talking about approx. 68,000 or more over a span of almost 7 years.

<snipped>
Riley said there have been more than 38,000 tips to police about this case, and he added that "close to 100 percent" have been vetted.

Delphi murders: Unanswered questions 2 years after the slayings of Abby and Libby

MOO