Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #179

[snooptroop88]

So BG by some accounts was "printing" with that weapon, you can see the outline of the weapon pretty well through his coat. I don't think that "printing" by itself-- with no other factors-- is that noticeable out on a trail (with a dark colored coat), but I might be wrong, it's jmo. Meaning I wouldn't notice it by itself as anything but (maybe) a bulge. The bulge I probably would notice. It would be interesting to know if the girls at Freedom Bridge said anything at all about this bulge (which we assume is a gun) on the man they saw. I think they gave varying descriptions of him. This is the man that would be RA per his timeline, he says he saw them, they say they saw him. Also, wondering what they said about the hat and if any gave specifics. My guess is yes.

 

[mrjitty]

I should have been clearer. As others have pointed out, the PCA puts RA in the CPS lot multiple ways: RA stating he parked in the farm bureau building (assumed CPS), HH video of car consistent with RA's at 1:27, and several witnesses listing cars parked there during that time that bear resemblance to his Ford Focus (Purple PT Cruiser, Smart Car, etc). What the D claims was omitted was BB's description of the '65 Comet.

When the D says RA's car wasn't there, could they be playing off some of these factors, like the Comet description, which is clearly NOT a 2016 Ford Focus? Or, is there other evidence he wasn't there? I'm truly fascinated to see what evidence both sides presents.

RA sat down for an on the record interview with police before the search back in '22. I am sure where he parked was a critical topic, just like when he arrived/left.

I note in the Franks, the defence disputed the time, but not where he parked - the implication being his car was gone by the time the witness drove past.

We don't know what RA has said in his police interview, but i guess i would be kind of surprised if where he parked was at issue.

 

[mrjitty]

If the defence don't have Prof Turco, I am wondering how they will establish that the crime scene has anything to do with norse occultism, let alone Odinism. Will a different expert do this now?

I wonder if this is why at the Motion to dismiss, Baldwin was trying to establish the Messer narrative, and somehow this is about a gang of bad dudes who do kidnapping?

 

[zh0r4]

Anyone have any thoughts about the exam release in discovery by the defense?

"Neurophysiology is a branch of physiology and neuroscience that studies nervous system function rather than nervous system architecture."

The exam is dated as occurring very recently, so it can't possible have anything to do with RA's time at Westville and his multiple confessions, where he was supposedly out of his right mind from threats and abuses done by the Odinist guards.

So what happened so recently to cause RA to have problems with his nervous system's condition affecting his mental functions?

And how can a man suffering this physically caused mental disarmament possibly deal with the distribution of his crowdsourcing funds, as the law requires? Maybe he gave his POA to someone?
AJMO and speculation.

Neurophysiology - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bbm

She is a neuropsychologist not a neurophysiologist.



Source: Notice of Discovery
filed 4/5/2024 by Rozzi


From a neuropsychological standpoint, there are numerous reasons this is a good idea for the defense. Specifically: the effect on executive function of the brain in relation to trauma and/or a traumatic environment such as prison (including but not limited to, relating to the adequate functioning of specific parts of the brain related to decision making)-I.e., PTSD/sexual assault/isolation/deprivation experienced during incarceration. She could also give insight into the psychology of false confessions (and how environment may or may not impact). If RA had any type of scan (MRI) of his brain before his arrest, to compare with a current MRI scan of his brain, it could theoretically show damage to certain parts of the brain from the trauma of his prison environment/potential false imprisonment. Neuropsychological knowledge would also be informative re: the effect of being “drugged”, and how that may impact decision making, especially in relation to his alleged confessions. There has been a lot of fascinating research on neuropsychology. JMO.

Some potentially related to the above subjects in this case:

Voluntary false confessions

“Frequently, false confessions are offered to protect a friend or relative, a fact often revealed in interviews with juvenile defenders (Gudjonsson, 1992; & MacKeith, 1990). Huff, Rattner, & Sagarin, (1996) describe a scenario in which an innocent husband and wife are being held by police and the man falsely confesses to allow the wife to return home to tend to the children. Other possible motives for voluntary false confessions include an “unconscious need to expiate guilt over previous transgressions through self-punishment," (Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985, p. 77).” - p.21

Coerced-Internalized False Confessions

The third type of false confession is coerced-internalized, that is, when suspects who are innocent, but anxious, fatigued, pressured, or confused, and then subjected to highly suggestive methods of police interrogation, actually come to believe that they committed the crime (Kassin, 1997; Kassin & Kiechel, 1996; Kassin & Sukel, 1997; Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985;Wrightsman & Kassin, 1993).

What is frightening about this type of false confession is that the innocent suspects' memory of their own actions may be altered, making its "original contents potentially irretrievable." (p. 226, Kassin, 1997; p. 78, Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985).

There are remarkable cases involving coerced-internalized false confessions.

Kassin (1997) asserts that they all have two factors in common, namely: (a) a suspect who is vulnerable--i.e., one whose memory is malle able by virtue of his/her youth, interpersonal trust, naiveté, suggestibility, lack of intelligence, stress, fatigue, alcohol, or drug use, and (b) the presentation of false evidence such as a rigged polygraph or other forensic tests (e.g., bloodstains, semen, hair, fingerprints), statements supposedly made by an accomplice, or a staged eyewitness identification as a way to convince the beleaguered suspect that he or she he is guilty. (p. 227)”

Source:
The Psychology of False Confessions (Conti). The Journal of Credibility Assessment and Witness Psychology. 1999, Vol. 2, No. 1. Published by the Department of Psychology of Boise State University.
http://www.truth.charleshontsphd.com/JCAAWP/9901/9901.pdf

“BPRS results showed clinically significant symptoms of depression, anxiety, or guilt among half of our research sample. Administrative data showed disproportionately high rates of serious mental illness and self-harming behavior compared with general prison populations. Interview content analysis revealed additional symptoms, including social isolation, loss of identity, and sensory hypersensitivity.”

Source:
Psychological Distress in Solitary Confinement: Symptoms, Severity, and Prevalence in the United States, 2017–2018. American Public Health Association. 2020 January; 110(Suppl 1): S56–S62. Published online 2020 January. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2019.305375
Psychological Distress in Solitary Confinement: Symptoms, Severity, and Prevalence in the United States, 2017–2018

“Extensive neuroimaging studies on the brains of PTSD patients show that several regions differ structurally and functionally from those of healthy individuals. The amygdala, the hippocampus, and the ventromedial prefrontal cortex play a role in triggering the typical symptoms of PTSD. PTSD patients with reduced hippocampal volume may lose the ability to discriminate between past and present experiences or appropriately interpret environmental contexts. “

Source:
The Residual Neurological Impact of Sexual Assault: Research explores how trauma impacts brain function.
The Residual Neurological Impact of Sexual Assault

Further reading:
Executive Function & Self-Regulation (Harvard)

Executive Function & Self-Regulation

Executive function and self-regulation skills are the mental processes that enable us to plan, focus attention, remember, and juggle multiple tasks.

developingchild.harvard.edu

Emotion and cognition interactions in PTSD: a review of neurocognitive and neuroimaging studies. Frontiers in Integrative Neuroscience. 2012; 6: 89. Published online 2012 Oct 9. Prepublished online 2012 Jul 3. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00089
Emotion and cognition interactions in PTSD: a review of neurocognitive and neuroimaging studies

Edit: typo

 

[DeDee]

All it said is that the Cell tower data shows RL's phone to be around the Delphi area, His exaxt location cannot be confirmed.

Which would make sense since he lives right there in the vicinity.

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https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/logan-warrrant.pdf

It has a wee bit more data. Keep in mind this seems to be initial impressions.

2:09pm RL places an outgoing call in an area near the CS
Here comes the scary part:
7:56pm RL sends a text likely while near the area near the CS
10:16pm RL receives a text likely while near the area of the CS

What is he doing down near the CS for two hours that fateful night?



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[TexLil]

It has a wee bit more data. Keep in mind this seems to be initial impressions.

2:09pm RL places an outgoing call in an area near the CS
Here comes the scary part:
7:56pm RL sends a text likely while near the area near the CS
10:16pm RL receives a text likely while near the area of the CS

What is he doing down near the CS for two hours that fateful night?

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Perhaps he was volunteering in the search? Horrifying. MOO

 

[DeDee]

Bbm

She is a neuropsychologist not a neurophysiologist.

View attachment 495409

Source: Notice of Discovery
filed 4/5/2024 by Rozzi


From a neuropsychological standpoint, there are numerous reasons this is a good idea for the defense. Specifically: the effect on executive function of the brain in relation to trauma and/or a traumatic environment such as prison (including but not limited to, relating to the adequate functioning of specific parts of the brain related to decision making)-I.e., PTSD/sexual assault/isolation/deprivation experience during incarceration. She could also give insight into the psychology of false confessions (and how environment may or may not impact). If RA had any type of scan (MRI) of his brain before his arrest, to compare with a current MRI scan of his brain, it could theoretically show damage to certain parts of the brain from the trauma of his prison environment/potential false imprisonment. Neuropsychological knowledge would also be informative re: the effect of being “drugged”, and how that may impact decision making, especially in relation to his alleged confessions. There has been a lot of fascinating research on neuropsychology. JMO.

Some potentially related to the above subjects in this case:

Voluntary false confessions

“Frequently, false confessions are offered to protect a friend or relative, a fact often revealed in interviews with juvenile defenders (Gudjonsson, 1992; & MacKeith, 1990). Huff, Rattner, & Sagarin, (1996) describe a scenario in which an innocent husband and wife are being held by police and the man falsely confesses to allow the wife to return home to tend to the children. Other possible motives for voluntary false confessions include an “unconscious need to expiate guilt over previous transgressions through self-punishment," (Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985, p. 77).” - p.21

Coerced-Internalized False Confessions

The third type of false confession is coerced-internalized, that is, when suspects who are innocent, but anxious, fatigued, pressured, or confused, and then subjected to highly suggestive methods of police interrogation, actually come to believe that they committed the crime (Kassin, 1997; Kassin & Kiechel, 1996; Kassin & Sukel, 1997; Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985;Wrightsman & Kassin, 1993).

What is frightening about this type of false confession is that the innocent suspects' memory of their own actions may be altered, making its "original contents potentially irretrievable." (p. 226, Kassin, 1997; p. 78, Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985).

There are remarkable cases involving coerced-internalized false confessions.

Kassin (1997) asserts that they all have two factors in common, namely: (a) a suspect who is vulnerable--i.e., one whose memory is malle able by virtue of his/her youth, interpersonal trust, naiveté, suggestibility, lack of intelligence, stress, fatigue, alcohol, or drug use, and (b) the presentation of false evidence such as a rigged polygraph or other forensic tests (e.g., bloodstains, semen, hair, fingerprints), statements supposedly made by an accomplice, or a staged eyewitness identification as a way to convince the beleaguered suspect that he or she he is guilty. (p. 227)”

Source:
The Psychology of False Confessions (Conti). The Journal of Credibility Assessment and Witness Psychology. 1999, Vol. 2, No. 1. Published by the Department of Psychology of Boise State University.
http://www.truth.charleshontsphd.com/JCAAWP/9901/9901.pdf

“BPRS results showed clinically significant symptoms of depression, anxiety, or guilt among half of our research sample. Administrative data showed disproportionately high rates of serious mental illness and self-harming behavior compared with general prison populations. Interview content analysis revealed additional symptoms, including social isolation, loss of identity, and sensory hypersensitivity.”

Source:
Psychological Distress in Solitary Confinement: Symptoms, Severity, and Prevalence in the United States, 2017–2018. American Public Health Association. 2020 January; 110(Suppl 1): S56–S62. Published online 2020 January. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2019.305375
Psychological Distress in Solitary Confinement: Symptoms, Severity, and Prevalence in the United States, 2017–2018

“Extensive neuroimaging studies on the brains of PTSD patients show that several regions differ structurally and functionally from those of healthy individuals. The amygdala, the hippocampus, and the ventromedial prefrontal cortex play a role in triggering the typical symptoms of PTSD. PTSD patients with reduced hippocampal volume may lose the ability to discriminate between past and present experiences or appropriately interpret environmental contexts. “

Source:
The Residual Neurological Impact of Sexual Assault: Research explores how trauma impacts brain function.
The Residual Neurological Impact of Sexual Assault

Further reading:
Emotion and cognition interactions in PTSD: a review of neurocognitive and neuroimaging studies. Frontiers in Integrative Neuroscience. 2012; 6: 89. Published online 2012 Oct 9. Prepublished online 2012 Jul 3. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00089
Emotion and cognition interactions in PTSD: a review of neurocognitive and neuroimaging studies

Interesting stuff. Thank you. You're right. No doubt there's PTSD. Meds may have been another issue. My first thought was damage caused by being tasered.


Strikes from stun guns "cause severe, uncontrollable contractions of your muscles, which are very painful," Dr. Jonathan J. Rasouli, a neurosurgeon

An electrical strike <> could "lead to disruptions in heart function that can range from moderate to severe and possibly fatal," Giordano

"Since a Taser shock is an incredibly stressful and painful experience, there can certainly be neurocognitive side effects,"

Psychological effects of CEW jolts, being shocked may contribute to trauma.

> need to cope with secondary injuries like bruises, cuts, memory impairment, or, sometimes, long-term emotional or psychological trauma.

APR 2023
10 ways Tasers and stun guns can damage your body and brain, from twisted testicles to temporary memory loss

 

[Emma Peel]

If the defence don't have Prof Turco, I am wondering how they will establish that the crime scene has anything to do with norse occultism, let alone Odinism. Will a different expert do this now?

I wonder if this is why at the Motion to dismiss, Baldwin was trying to establish the Messer narrative, and somehow this is about a gang of bad dudes who do kidnapping?

You might want to read the defense Reply filed yesterday for the Turco update; the D reported their interview with Turco last week of March. Holeman - was parsing in error at best. Turco denied Holeman’s representation of Turco’s views.

You’re right though. The D could get another expert.

 

[sunshineray]

Bbm

She is a neuropsychologist not a neurophysiologist.

View attachment 495409

Source: Notice of Discovery
filed 4/5/2024 by Rozzi


From a neuropsychological standpoint, there are numerous reasons this is a good idea for the defense. Specifically: the effect on executive function of the brain in relation to trauma and/or a traumatic environment such as prison (including but not limited to, relating to the adequate functioning of specific parts of the brain related to decision making)-I.e., PTSD/sexual assault/isolation/deprivation experienced during incarceration. She could also give insight into the psychology of false confessions (and how environment may or may not impact). If RA had any type of scan (MRI) of his brain before his arrest, to compare with a current MRI scan of his brain, it could theoretically show damage to certain parts of the brain from the trauma of his prison environment/potential false imprisonment. Neuropsychological knowledge would also be informative re: the effect of being “drugged”, and how that may impact decision making, especially in relation to his alleged confessions. There has been a lot of fascinating research on neuropsychology. JMO.

Some potentially related to the above subjects in this case:

Voluntary false confessions

“Frequently, false confessions are offered to protect a friend or relative, a fact often revealed in interviews with juvenile defenders (Gudjonsson, 1992; & MacKeith, 1990). Huff, Rattner, & Sagarin, (1996) describe a scenario in which an innocent husband and wife are being held by police and the man falsely confesses to allow the wife to return home to tend to the children. Other possible motives for voluntary false confessions include an “unconscious need to expiate guilt over previous transgressions through self-punishment," (Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985, p. 77).” - p.21

Coerced-Internalized False Confessions

The third type of false confession is coerced-internalized, that is, when suspects who are innocent, but anxious, fatigued, pressured, or confused, and then subjected to highly suggestive methods of police interrogation, actually come to believe that they committed the crime (Kassin, 1997; Kassin & Kiechel, 1996; Kassin & Sukel, 1997; Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985;Wrightsman & Kassin, 1993).

What is frightening about this type of false confession is that the innocent suspects' memory of their own actions may be altered, making its "original contents potentially irretrievable." (p. 226, Kassin, 1997; p. 78, Kassin & Wrightsman, 1985).

There are remarkable cases involving coerced-internalized false confessions.

Kassin (1997) asserts that they all have two factors in common, namely: (a) a suspect who is vulnerable--i.e., one whose memory is malle able by virtue of his/her youth, interpersonal trust, naiveté, suggestibility, lack of intelligence, stress, fatigue, alcohol, or drug use, and (b) the presentation of false evidence such as a rigged polygraph or other forensic tests (e.g., bloodstains, semen, hair, fingerprints), statements supposedly made by an accomplice, or a staged eyewitness identification as a way to convince the beleaguered suspect that he or she he is guilty. (p. 227)”

Source:
The Psychology of False Confessions (Conti). The Journal of Credibility Assessment and Witness Psychology. 1999, Vol. 2, No. 1. Published by the Department of Psychology of Boise State University.
http://www.truth.charleshontsphd.com/JCAAWP/9901/9901.pdf

“BPRS results showed clinically significant symptoms of depression, anxiety, or guilt among half of our research sample. Administrative data showed disproportionately high rates of serious mental illness and self-harming behavior compared with general prison populations. Interview content analysis revealed additional symptoms, including social isolation, loss of identity, and sensory hypersensitivity.”

Source:
Psychological Distress in Solitary Confinement: Symptoms, Severity, and Prevalence in the United States, 2017–2018. American Public Health Association. 2020 January; 110(Suppl 1): S56–S62. Published online 2020 January. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2019.305375
Psychological Distress in Solitary Confinement: Symptoms, Severity, and Prevalence in the United States, 2017–2018

“Extensive neuroimaging studies on the brains of PTSD patients show that several regions differ structurally and functionally from those of healthy individuals. The amygdala, the hippocampus, and the ventromedial prefrontal cortex play a role in triggering the typical symptoms of PTSD. PTSD patients with reduced hippocampal volume may lose the ability to discriminate between past and present experiences or appropriately interpret environmental contexts. “

Source:
The Residual Neurological Impact of Sexual Assault: Research explores how trauma impacts brain function.
The Residual Neurological Impact of Sexual Assault

Further reading:
Executive Function & Self-Regulation (Harvard)

Executive Function & Self-Regulation

Executive function and self-regulation skills are the mental processes that enable us to plan, focus attention, remember, and juggle multiple tasks.

developingchild.harvard.edu

Emotion and cognition interactions in PTSD: a review of neurocognitive and neuroimaging studies. Frontiers in Integrative Neuroscience. 2012; 6: 89. Published online 2012 Oct 9. Prepublished online 2012 Jul 3. doi: 10.3389/fnint.2012.00089
Emotion and cognition interactions in PTSD: a review of neurocognitive and neuroimaging studies

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Thank you for the correction! The fields are simular in that they deal with the brain and the nervous system. Neuropsychological seems to center around a brain's illness or injury affecting the body's neurology while neurophysiology is how the condition of the nervous system itself affects the brain's functioning. Pretty closely related and mostly likely borrowing from the other in many diagnosing.

If RA's calling a neuropsychologist to testify as to his condition, does that mean he's being diagnosed as having brain illness or damage...so he's incompetent? Do you think that's what is going to be put forth? It's quite late in the game discovery isn't it. And the exam is very recent.

 

[Justoneoftheguests]

Thank you for the correction! The fields are simular in that they deal with the brain and the nervous system. Neuropsychological seems to center around a brain's illness or injury affecting the body's neurology while neurophysiology is how the condition of the nervous system itself affects the brain's functioning. Pretty closely related and mostly likely borrowing from the other in many diagnosing.

If RA's calling a neuropsychologist to testify as to his condition, does that mean he's being diagnosed as having brain illness or damage...so he's incompetent? Do you think that's what is going to be put forth? It's quite late in the game discovery isn't it. And the exam is very recent.

In Australia (where I am) neuropsych’s are primarily involved in cognitive assessment/diagnostic assessment (where clinical psych’s are more focused on therapy/intervention). I’m assuming it’s the same/similar in the US.

So the involvement of a neuropsych doesn’t necessarily imply neurological damage/injury- they would just be the normal expert conducting cognitive and psychological testing. It could be anything from assessing intellectual ability, adaptive functioning skills, testing for neurodivergence, diagnosis of other mental health conditions etc.

 

[DeDee]

If the defence don't have Prof Turco, I am wondering how they will establish that the crime scene has anything to do with norse occultism, let alone Odinism. Will a different expert do this now?

I wonder if this is why at the Motion to dismiss, Baldwin was trying to establish the Messer narrative, and somehow this is about a gang of bad dudes who do kidnapping?

The D does have Professor Turco. They also have a Harvard Professor who agreed with Professor Turco's professional opinion. How much of the SODDI the Judge will allow is key to presenting the theory to the jury.

 

[sunshineray]

In Australia (where I am) neuropsych’s are primarily involved in cognitive assessment/diagnostic assessment (where clinical psych’s are more focused on therapy/intervention). I’m assuming it’s the same/similar in the US.

So the involvement of a neuropsych doesn’t necessarily imply neurological damage/injury- they would just be the normal expert conducting cognitive and psychological testing. It could be anything from assessing intellectual ability, adaptive functioning skills, testing for neurodivergence, diagnosis of other mental health conditions etc.

Thanks for that info. They both seem to coincide a lot when reading general ddescriptins of each.

I wonder if a neuropsych would have examined RA in Westville prison when he started acting strangely after his confessions phone call? It seems odd to only put forth an exam just very recently done instead of records from when RA confessed. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

The D does have Professor Turco. They also have a Harvard Professor who agreed with Professor Turco's professional opinion. How much of the SODDI the Judge will allow is key to presenting the theory to the jury.

Is the Harvard Professor on the witness list?

 

[snooptroop88]

There's some possible reasons there's no RA DNA at the scene. Killer wore gloves, a hat as well as a possible pull up face covering. There was no sexual assault. The girls were made to undress and Abby to redress themselves with a gun pointed at them. Could be the reason why there was a cycled shell fallen between them, gun being chambered to intimidate then into the actions the killer wanted performed. I also think, as another poster mentioned earlier, that some kind of chemical agent was possibly used at the crime scene. The few items of clothing RA may have touched winding up in the creek...minus the missing sock.

This is what I think as well, he (or they)-- someone was incredibly meticulous. (BG to me-- BG does not look meticulous.) That's why I just for the life of me do not understand how the phone with a recorded image of the murderer was left at the CS.

 

[DeDee]

Perhaps he was volunteering in the search? Horrifying. MOO

Yes, their murders are horrifying. RL has a receipt from the fish store in Lafayette timestamped at 5:21pm. It takes about 30 minutes to drive to his home. He's home shortly before 6pm. Soon, a searcher knocks on his door seeking permission to search his property. He grants them permission. He never said he helped them search though.

It's dark at 7pm and 36 degrees.

The back of his property is filled with steep ups and downs and a wide ravine in the woods. It's treacherous terrain because it steeply slopes down as it goes toward Deer Creek. Searchers would need to exercise caution with adequate light to avoid pitfalls.

He had a beautiful place on approach from the driveway with a nice home. He had horses and goats on his ranch. RL owned a lot of the woodland and pasture land around his home, too.

People stole everything he had that was outside when he was in prison for 4 yrs. When he was out on ankle monitoring, he was charged $500 ea month as monitoring fees.

AJMOO

 

[sunshineray]

This is what I think as well, he (or they)-- someone was incredibly meticulous. (BG to me-- BG does not look meticulous.) That's why I just for the life of me do not understand how the phone with a recorded image of the murderer was left at the CS.

I honestly don't he saw her filming him. He had to watch where he was going or risk hitting a space in the bridge and taking a tumble. By the time he was close enough to concentrate on the girl's Libby may have dropped her hand and tucked her phone away so the killer never thought he needed to deal with it. We may never know exactly how her phone wound up beneath her disrobed body but it could have just fallen there when her clothes came off...and then she was murdered with her phone under her. JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Looking at the PCA, these are the Freedom Bridge girls/description:
"They advised they were walking on the trail toward Freedom Bridge to go home when they encountered a male walking from Freedom Bridge toward the MHB. (Deleted name) described the male as 'kind of creepy' and advised that he was wearing 'like blue jeans a like really light blue jacket and he his hair was gray maybe a little brown and he did not really show his face." She advised the jacket was a duck canvas type jacket. (Deleted name) advised she said 'hi" to the male but he just glared at them. She recalled him being in all black and had something covering his mouth. She described him as "not very tall" with a bigger build. She said he was not bigger than 5'10". (Deleted name) advised he was wearing a black hoodie, black jeans, and black boots. She stated he had his hands in his pockets."

So this is the Freedom Bridge sighting that supposedly lines up with the timeline given by RA. And two of these girls note trouble seeing the man's face, and one specifically notes the man had something covering his mouth.

Something covering his mouth? Difficult to see his face? Blue jeans can look black depending on the light/angle and type/shade of denim. That jacket could definitely look black. But "something covering his mouth"? This is the Freedom Bridge sighting. That's supposedly RA, right? By RA's own timeline. He says he saw these girls, and they said they saw him.

The scarf??

 

[DeDee]

Looking at the PCA, these are the Freedom Bridge girls/description:
"They advised they were walking on the trail toward Freedom Bridge to go home when they encountered a male walking from Freedom Bridge toward the MHB. (Deleted name) described the male as 'kind of creepy' and advised that he was wearing 'like blue jeans a like really light blue jacket and he his hair was gray maybe a little brown and he did not really show his face." She advised the jacket was a duck canvas type jacket. (Deleted name) advised she said 'hi" to the male but he just glared at them. She recalled him being in all black and had something covering his mouth. She described him as "not very tall" with a bigger build. She said he was not bigger than 5'10". (Deleted name) advised he was wearing a black hoodie, black jeans, and black boots. She stated he had his hands in his pockets."

So this is the Freedom Bridge sighting that supposedly lines up with the timeline given by RA. And two of these girls note trouble seeing the man's face, and one specifically notes the man had something covering his mouth.

Something covering his mouth? Difficult to see his face? Blue jeans can look black depending on the light/angle and type/shade of denim. That jacket could definitely look black. But "something covering his mouth"? This is the Freedom Bridge sighting. That's supposedly RA, right? By RA's own timeline. He says he saw these girls, and they said they saw him.

The scarf??

Yes, I've always thought the black and white design worn with the jacket was a scarf. moo

So, you think this person could be described as wearing all black?


Credit: Daily Mail

 

[katydid23]

This is what I think as well, he (or they)-- someone was incredibly meticulous. (BG to me-- BG does not look meticulous.) That's why I just for the life of me do not understand how the phone with a recorded image of the murderer was left at the CS.

I can understand how it can happen. It seems odd but after following numerous cases here since 2008, one main thing I have learned is that even the smartest, most careful killer forgets something. There is ALWAYS that one or two tiny things that screw up the perfect crime.

Imagine how intense that period of time is for them. Sooooooooooo much going on---the intensity of the actual murder, the adrenaline and the fear and then the overload of thoughts about what needs to be urgently handled---it is all happening so fast, even for a skilled serial killer, there is so much to remember, so much to do, in so little time.

EVERYTHING has to go right. No false moves, no sloppy mistakes.

In Moscow, Idaho, it was perhaps that one silly knife sheath with the DNA on the snap. The killer left a perfectly clean, untraceable crime scene behind. Except that one stupid sheath...

So many times it comes down to one tiny sloppy mistake... Jodi Arias left the camera full of pictures of the murder on it in the washing machine when she was hurriedly washing the bloody sheets...

 

[Andieinsyd]

Yes, I've always thought the black and white design worn with the jacket was a scarf. moo

So, you think this person could be described as wearing all black?

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Credit: Daily Mail

We can see that the jacket looks blackish where in the shade and bluer where the sun hits it. MOO