Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #188

[girlhasnoname]

He doesn't look like either of those sketches though - not by a long shot.

To me he looks older than the sketch of the younger male and younger than the one of the older male, but he doesn't look like either of them.

Everyone sees things differently. RA looks exactly like the first BG sketch nose, jowls, hooded eyes and the 2nd sketch looks like a younger version of the photo minus the hat and jacket to me.

Maybe LE released that second sketch when they learned about the social media connection to the A_Shots account? 2019 - I think.

MOO

 

[susiQ]

No. Judge Gull was on some kind of committee or something to support livestreaming in Indiana.

She supports it. Just not in her courtroom.

IMO MOO

RBBM
Hypocrite! What is she trying to keep from the public eye in this particular case and why!? JMO

 

[sunshineray]

No. Judge Gull was on some kind of committee or something to support livestreaming in Indiana.

She supports it. Just not in her courtroom.

IMO MOO

I believe it's because of the circus atmosphere that's exploded online and bled right onto the defense that spurred JG to that decision. I'm still hoping she'll pick two or three journalists to hear live streaming audio in a separate room, so some accurate reporting can be given to the public. Even filming it for the court to be released well after a verdict would be a good alternate to live televising. JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

He doesn't look like either of those sketches though - not by a long shot.

To me he looks older than the sketch of the younger male and younger than the one of the older male, but he doesn't look like either of them.

The sketches aren't photos

The 1st sketch is a likeness, IMO, to Libby's video capture of BG and who the witnesses saw, RA=BG

The 2nd sketch, announced at the 2019 presser, when LE said--

"We believe you were hiding in plain sight. For more than 2 years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy. But we have."

The new direction, different strategy released sketch #2 was a brilliant maneuver by LE. IMO

It sure makes sense now after connecting all the dots. JMO

Delphi murders update: ISP shares new sketch, video, audio

Indiana State Police say they will announced a 'new direction' in the 2017 homicides of Delphi teens Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.jconline.com

 

[photographer4]

So...

At any given time the perpetrator could have returned to the scene of the crime a second+ time and especially if, as pointed out before, some of those searchers may have been as far as 15 feet from the girls before they were found.

I wonder if RA was a part of the initial search party or parties.

Was there any logs kept of who was searching? Eg: a copy of drivers license? Or names written down?

 

[Megnut]

The State had probable cause to arrest RA and charge him, he was taken into and remains in custody because proof positive or presumption great, and that was all before any confessions. The State didn't need RA's help, they obviously felt they could prove the charges BARD already. His confessions can only pad that.

When did the State modify the charges? What event precipitated that? The confessions? DNA analysis from Quantico (fiber, animal, human)? Discovery of the murder weapon (Wabash River?), new tips/leads, late returns on hard-to-unlock devices?

I happen to think their evidence bag is very full.

JMO

 

[TTF14]

RBBM
Hypocrite! What is she trying to keep from the public eye in this particular case and why!? JMO

See: Karen Read trial. Maybe stuff like that.

Just a theory.

IMO MOO

 

[TTF14]

Was there any logs kept of who was searching? Eg: a copy of drivers license? Or names written down?

yes. (ETA: just names, I believe) IMO M

 

[TTF14]

I believe it's because of the circus atmosphere that's exploded online and bled right onto the defense that spurred JG to that decision. I'm still hoping she'll pick two or three journalists to hear live streaming audio in a separate room, so some accurate reporting can be given to the public. Even filming it for the court to be released well after a verdict would be a good alternate to live televising. JMO

She said it was because the media pool didn't follow her instructions when she allowed cameras for her public shaming hearing. She didn't specify what she meant by that, but made no mention of the "circus atmosphere." You are of course free to believe what you wish, but I'm going by what Judge Gull actually said.

IMO MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

LG weighed 200 lbs. MOO nobody was carrying her over terrain.

It might be nice to know, but it makes absolutely no sense for the State to disclose what evidence they have against RA to the public. It will come out at trial.

I think the main points will be:
Unspent Bullet matching RA's Sig's ejector markings and brand of bullet possibly
RA's own admission to being on MHB at the time Abby & Libby were there.
RA's own admission to wearing clothing practically identical to BG, including a face covering.
Libby's Video
Evidence seized at the home during the S/W that the D has so, so desperately tried to have thrown out. Franks 1,2,3,4, and so on.
Geofencing and/or Electronic data
RA's own confessions, especially those to his wife and mother.

I think it's enough.

JMO

If nothing was found with respect to the Search Warrant, the Defence Team wouldn’t be working so hard to get it thrown out. There is something BIG in there that may seal the deal.

IMO what we know from an evidentiary perspective is minuscule compared to what the Prosecution actually has.

A trial can’t come soon enough.

MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

It would be nice to actually know what factual evidence the state has against Richard Allen. In my opinion, at this time the only hard evidence they have against him is the unspent cartridge found at the scene of the crime that toolmark analysis says could only have come from his gun. How solid is the science behind this evidence though? Then there are confessions too, but how detailed are they?

What will be really interesting at trial is to find out if the witness who saw Richard Allen on platform 1 can actually identify him as the person she saw on platform 1. If she cannot or she says she is unsure, the whole timeline might fall apart. Ironically, Richard Allen helps the state by claiming in the PCA that he indeed did walk past the Mears Farm Entrance and saw vehicles there, but did not pay any attention to them as he walked to the Monon High Bridge.

If someone else did murder Abigial Williams and Liberty German, the one conclusion I have come to is that this person came into the Monon High Bridge area and left the Monon High Bridge area without being seen or remembered.

RA puts himself on the bridge.
The witness confirms a man dressed like BG was standing on the first platform at a certain time. RA, himself, stated that man was him.

 

[sunshineray]

The sketches aren't photos

The 1st sketch is a likeness, IMO, to Libby's video capture of BG and who the witnesses saw, RA=BG

The 2nd sketch, announced at the 2019 presser, when LE said--

"We believe you were hiding in plain sight. For more than 2 years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy. But we have."

The new direction, different strategy released sketch #2 was a brilliant maneuver by LE. IMO

It sure makes sense now after connecting all the dots. JMO

Delphi murders update: ISP shares new sketch, video, audio

Indiana State Police say they will announced a 'new direction' in the 2017 homicides of Delphi teens Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.jconline.com

I've always found it very interesting that in Dec 2018 LE sent DNA to Quantico for "DNA testing research" and in January 2019 CE (who to me was almost a ringer for the first sketch released) was arrested for crimes involving young teenaged girls. Then in April 2019, a new and totally different sketch was released. I don't know if that's all cause and effect but it's interesting.

Break In Indiana Teens' Murder: Cops Give More Evidence To FBI In Hunt For Killer

Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told RadarOnline.com exclusively that they were hoping for a break in the case of Indiana teens Abigail Williams and Liberty German’s gruesome murders after they sent new evidence to the FBI headquarters in Quantico.

radaronline.com

Randolph Co. sexual abuse suspect draws comparisons to Delphi murderer

The recent arrest of an Indiana man is drawing new attention after reports that he resembles the suspect in the Delphi murders.

www.wthr.com

 

[TTF14]

If nothing was found with respect to the Search Warrant, the Defence Team wouldn’t be working so hard to get it thrown out. There is something BIG in there that may seal the deal.

IMO what we know from an evidentiary perspective is minuscule compared to what the Prosecution actually has.

A trial can’t come soon enough.

MOO

I don't think the point is to get what was found in the search warrant thrown out. The goal is to get the whole case dismissed because the search warrant was obtained illegally, is how I understand it. So of course they are going to keep trying.....their client is in prison and wants out. It's not about an item, it's about a whole life.

IMO MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

RBBM
Hypocrite! What is she trying to keep from the public eye in this particular case and why!? JMO

Why? Maybe because of the SM cranks and circus performers. Judge Gull barred 2 YT-ers from the Contempt hearing from attending any further, it got so bad they almost came to blows.

A Courtroom is a reverant place to be treated with dignity and respect. This will be an emotional trial of Defendant Allen for the brutal murders of Abby & Libby. I don't blame Judge Gull one bit for not trusting the D or their less than trust worthy followers from trying to pull some camera worthy stunts. It's her Court, it's her decision, and I support it.

I wonder if the Due Process Gang will be allowed to attend?

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

She said it was because the media pool didn't follow her instructions when she allowed cameras for her public shaming hearing. She didn't specify what she meant by that, but made no mention of the "circus atmosphere." You are of course free to believe what you wish, but I'm going by what Judge Gull actually said.

IMO MOO

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It makes sense JG wouldn't mention a circus atmosphere but it's undeniably there in your face, in the courtroom. Youtubers getting kick out of the courtroom. I wonder exactly which media pool personalities, since she did officially mention them, ruined it for all? MO

 

[sunshineray]

Why? Maybe because of the SM cranks and circus performers. Judge Gull barred 2 YT-ers from the Contempt hearing from attending any further, it got so bad they almost came to blows.

A Courtroom is a reverant place to be treated with dignity and respect. This will be an emotional trial of Defendant Allen for the brutal murders of Abby & Libby. I don't blame Judge Gull one bit for not trusting the D or their less than trust worthy followers from trying to pull some camera worthy stunts. It's her Court, it's her decision, and I support it.

I wonder if the Due Process Gang will be allowed to attend?

JMO

There actually was physical contact between those youtubers right outside the courthouse, after they were thrown out.

 

[TTF14]

It makes sense JG wouldn't mention a circus atmosphere but it's undeniably there in your face, in the courtroom. Youtubers getting kick out of the courtroom. I wonder exactly which media pool personalities, since she did officially mention them, ruined it for all? MO

Well, I can't speak to it being undeniably in your face since I've never stepped foot in Indiana, much less that courtroom. But she was talking about the official media, not YouTubers. Would love to know more, but she was vague and doesn't seem to want to bend on this issue, despite being a proponent of cameras in Indiana courtrooms.

IMO MOO

 

[Megnut]

It speaks volumes that the Defense can't reach the threshold even for a hearing on their attempts to confuse, obfuscate, misdirect.

There are criteria for a third-party SODDI defense. They haven't met it.

There are criteria for motions, criteria for hearings. There's criteria for experts, evidence, exhibits. Has to be relevant, among others.

Not every defendant has a workable "defense". This Defense will have an opportunity to cross examine every State's witness, challenge testimony, elicit doubt, niggle credibility.

There will be limits to what they can introduce, which is as it should be. The State has limits too (the State already streamlined their case in chief to accommodate the original three week schedule). If RA has an episode or history of DV, for instance, the judge might rule that it's not only prejudicial it's unfairly prejudicial and disallow it. He's not on trial for that, falls under that 'bad acts' umbrella. Some of his confessions could be thrown out, that is if the State intends to introduce them. There may be limits to what exhibits (crime scene and autopsy photos, for instance) get in and how and whether they're blurred or black-barred. If other trials are indicative, the State won't be allowed to overload crime photos, for added shock value, and in a perfect world, both sides work together to reach agreements/stipulations outside of court so the trial is organized, orderly, and ultimately fair.

JMO

 

[TTF14]

Why? Maybe because of the SM cranks and circus performers. Judge Gull barred 2 YT-ers from the Contempt hearing from attending any further, it got so bad they almost came to blows.

A Courtroom is a reverant place to be treated with dignity and respect. This will be an emotional trial of Defendant Allen for the brutal murders of Abby & Libby. I don't blame Judge Gull one bit for not trusting the D or their less than trust worthy followers from trying to pull some camera worthy stunts. It's her Court, it's her decision, and I support it.

I wonder if the Due Process Gang will be allowed to attend?

JMO

This is false. See my post above and my screenshot of her actual words.

Were YouTubers behaving badly outside on the lawn/sidewalk? Yes, but it's not why she banned cameras. She blamed that on the media pool not following some rules.

IMO MOO

 

[Spartygirl]

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