Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #190

[girlhasnoname]

Have you read the Franks Motion?

Several times.

Do you think that someone that has expertise in this subject matter would be an interesting guest to have on a court TV program?

Not if she isn't an expert in this field.

Have you read both the experts testimony in court and compared it to the Court TV program and determined that she did not provide any further detail regarding her opinion outside of what was accessible in the Franks?

Lots of conceptual methodology and gabber IMO.

I think that this is a ridiculously petty argument fabricated by the prosecution to somehow discredit this person for previously being contacted by a court television program to offer an expert opinion based on the Franks Motion.

The D put her up as an expert in Odinisim (they were running short on options not having one as late as Mid April) and N McL crossed her like a true Pro. I wonder if we'll see her at trial? I bet not.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

The FBI was involved pretty quick and said use all the resources that you need. I would think there had to be an original expert who did all of this actually at the crime scene. I am wondering if their original report, identity or involvement is not being disclosed or is missing. MOO

We are not at trial yet, these were Motions hearing. The State provided as little information as possible, just enough to rebut the 3rd party theories of cleared POI's, etc. They're aren't expected to present their entire case and it would be ill advised if they did.

They're saving their big guns for trial you can bet.

MOO

 

[Salah11]

We are not at trial yet, these were Motions hearing. The State provided as little information as possible, just enough to rebut the 3rd party theories of cleared POI's, etc. They're aren't expected to present their entire case and it would be ill advised if they did.

They're saving their big guns for trial you can bet.

MOO

Yep and the little we heard was compelling so the fact they have waaaaaaay more will no doubt sink him completely.

IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

That makes me wonder if Abby was supine, lying on her back, when she was killed, and made no move to sit up.

MOO

Spoiler: Abby's Location - Sensitive Information

The State Expert - Certified Crime Scene Expert, Blood Spatter Expert was of the opinion Abby was killed where she was lying and never got up due the blood on her clothing and to the blood pooling underneath her.

eta: The Delphi Murders: Three Days of Pretrial Hearings: Day Three

 

[statt#1]

I think as far as accommodations go, it's probably going to be a lot more in your face noisy in county jail's general public atmosphere. He probably won't have control of his lights either. And yeah, he will still be a marked man and now with much less protection and less mental health care. MO

I did volunteer work in a local county jail for 10 years or so. The inmates often spoke of their desire to be moved to state prison as the conditions were thought by them to be better.

 

[Salah11]

Spoiler: Abby's Location - Sensitive Information

The State Expert - Certified Crime Scene Expert, Blood Spatter Expert was of the opinion Abby was killed where she was lying and never got up due the blood on her clothing and to the blood pooling underneath her.

eta: The Delphi Murders: Three Days of Pretrial Hearings: Day Three

So Abby was forced to redress herself?

It’s heart wrenching that one of the girls saw the other one murdered and knew what was coming.

I am assuming it was Libby who saw Abby murdered which is why she fought more. IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I didn’t say that.

The judge vacated the order for safekeeping. He is being moved out of state prison to county prison. His actual location will not be released.

It was stated RA was returned to the custody of Carrol County instead of IDOC but will be held in Cass County until trial. Be careful what you wish for Rick. He won't have all the extra's and protection he had at WV and Washburn.

JMO

 

[Willow Knight]

dbm

 

[FrostedGlass]

Isn’t he charged with felony murder with no underlying charge. What do they have to prove? They can say that a man wore a blue jacket on a trail and he gets convicted of a double homicide? How exactly is that solving this case?



MOO

His charges:
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	01	02/13/2017	35-42-1-1(2): Murder
	Statute 35-42-1-1(2) Degree MR
	02	02/13/2017	35-42-1-1(2): Murder
	Statute 35-42-1-1(2) Degree MR
	03	02/13/2017	35-42-1-1(1): Murder
	Statute 35-42-1-1(1) Degree MR
	04	02/13/2017	35-42-1-1(1): Murder
	Statute 35-42-1-1(1) Degree MR

 

[susiQ]

I did volunteer work in a local county jail for 10 years or so. The inmates often spoke of their desire to be moved to state prison as the conditions were thought by them to be better.

I wonder if they considered solitary for 12 months better?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I thought the idea of RA filming this was outrageously farfetched in the beginning, but he killed them quickly according to testimony by State Expert and by Holeman, so what did he do the rest of the time?

Spoiler: Thoughts on Crime Scene - Warning

Did he make CSAM film/pictures to be distributed for profit or just his own viewing pleasure? Why leave Libby unclothed and attacked more brutally? Why have Abby redress in Libby's clothes? His anger, rage or connection seemed to be focused on Libby IMO.

Oh, this is beyond sick and tragic. Those poor girls and their dear loved ones. I'm so very sorry for them all.

JMO

 

[Vern]

I want to know what the actual Autopsy Report says about ToD; couldn't care less whether the notes mention it or not.

I guess we wait until trial.

I have a pretty good idea that it's at or shortly after that cell phone stops tracking steps and ends up laying under one of the girls where it is found the next day ... and before BG/RA is seen on video passing by the Harvester Store.

Nope; no Odinistic Scarifical murder happened between sundown the 13th and sunup the 14th. It just didn't - no matter how much they want to try to make it "fit" into their fake-Odinism theory. Woods next to water ... woods next to the bridge where the girls chose visit that day vice some "ritualistic round clearing in the woods next to water" that Odinists had set up for a scarifice and lured these sacrifcal victims to. They were forced there, by a man with a gun. A man who will soon stand trial to answer for the crimes he committed that day. BECAUSE - in order for this to be an actual "Ritualistic Odinistic Sacrificial Murder occuring on an Odinistic Date appropriate to that religion" then that means that there had to be pre-planning by these Odinists. Where's the D-Teams evidence of all these Odinists planning this up? How do they explain them messing up the timing? Is every murder that occurs outside now evidence of a Odinistic Rtual Murder? Every murder that happens in a small clearing in the woods? Every murder that sees a victim covered up with sticks and twigs and leaves? Every murder by water? Every murder from sunup to sundown? Every murder that happens on 13 Feb? A man who has made many admissions inclusive of information only the killer would know has admitted to this crime. Every single thing 'the expert' has stated indicates Odinistic Ritualism (NOTE: The FBI Crime scene certified experts [who actually viewed the evidence before forming their conclusions] disagree with her assessment for those who conveniently forget that factoid) also indicates thousands of other other crime scenes. And so the D is left scrambling to make the murders happen later/overnight than they did. Good luck with that.

I'm also really interested to see what Team D is going to try to come up with if the Odinism isn't allowed at trial. They obviously have to place the ToD later as they can't place their own client away from the scene of the crime at the time it actually occured (by witness accounts and his own questioning and the phone data).

 

[Salah11]

I still wonder if RA was catfishing Libby and part of the rage was the fact she brought along Abby that fateful day.

I still just can not get past the feeling that he knew they were going to be on that bridge that day. As far as we are aware, he did not get to the trail much before the girls. What are the odds?

The young girls also noted he was walking with purpose so why was he in such a rush to get to the bridge?!

IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I still wonder if RA was catfishing Libby and part of the rage was the fact she brought along Abby that fateful day.

I still just can not get past the feeling that he knew they were going to be on that bridge that day. As far as we are aware, he did not get to the trail much before the girls. What are the odds?

The young girls also noted he was walking with purpose so why was he in such a rush to get to the bridge?!

IMO

I was thinking about Abby this morning. It does appear that Libby was the target and he didn't intend to have Abby there or to hurt her....yet he killed her.

Imagine the depravity of killing a young teen who he didn't even want to kill. That is sick beyond sick.

And now that "undoing" has entered the conversation, I wonder if dressing Abby in Libby's clothes was a way for him to see her as Libby to make it acceptable in his sick mind that he killed Abby.

Just thinking aloud, pondering.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder if they considered solitary for 12 months better?

Segregation for security and MH issues, not solitary. Solitary would have been RA alone in cell with no others around. The pod he was kept in usually houses 2 inmates, he was in there alone, but there were other pods, at least 4 if not more, that I recall had inmates in them.

He was not kept in a dark room in a basement all alone. He had the same and more privileges than others and was free to talk. He did make those 61 confessions, so we know he was talking. He had Rec time and Religious services each week. That is not solitary confinement IMO.

JMO

 

[Tealgrove]

I was thinking about Abby this morning. It does appear that Libby was the target and he didn't intend to have Abby there or to hurt her....yet he killed her.

Imagine the depravity of killing a young teen who he didn't even want to kill. That is sick beyond sick.

And now that "undoing" has entered the conversation, I wonder if dressing Abby in Libby's clothes was a way for him to see her as Libby to make it acceptable in his sick mind that he killed Abby.

Just thinking aloud, pondering.

jmo

I almost thought that redressing Abby in Libby’s clothing allowed him to symbolically kill Libby twice.

What was it about Libby?

Really need to understand motive.

MOO

 

[Salah11]

I almost thought that redressing Abby in Libby’s clothing allowed him to symbolically kill Libby twice.

What was it about Libby?

Really need to understand motive.

MOO

Hopefully his confessions shed some light on what triggered him about Libby.

Was he aware she was recording him but then why didn’t he take the phone?!

Was he in contact with her previously and that’s how he knew she would be there?!

Was she simply more combative and wouldn’t take his crap and he made her suffer for the disobedience?!

Or was it the uncanny resemblance to his daughter that set him off that day?!

It’s mind boggling that anybody could treat another human being like this.

MOOOOO

 

[photographer4]

At Approx 1:28 min mark:

Spoiler: Abby's Injuries - Sensitive Information

Abby was dressed in Libby's clothes at the time she was killed as there was heavy blood saturation to those clothes and blood pooling according to State Expert, so not redressed in them after her murder as speculated in the Franks.

The Expert testified that the sticks placed on the bodies were placed there to help hide the bodies from someone looking from across the creek. He showed a sample of blood saturated hand print which helped him determine it was one of the last dying efforts of Libby.

How anyone can listen to these horrifying last minutes of these girls and not be affected and not want their killer behind prison bars for the rest of his sick, miserable life is beyond me. What was done to them is far worse than being held in segregation awaiting trial for their murders will ever be.

JMO
#Justice4Abby&Libby

The Delphi Murders: Three Days of Pretrial Hearings: Day Three

Just a question as I am still behind - the clothes Abby was wearing when she was found dead - so she was NOT found in two bras etc? One being hers and one not (think this was stated in one of the Franks motions?). Ty In advance to anyone who can help unconfuse me!

 

[grannygates]

At Approx 1:28 min mark:

Spoiler: Abby's Injuries - Sensitive Information

Abby was dressed in Libby's clothes at the time she was killed as there was heavy blood saturation to those clothes and blood pooling according to State Expert, so not redressed in them after her murder as speculated in the Franks.

The Expert testified that the sticks placed on the bodies were placed there to help hide the bodies from someone looking from across the creek. He showed a sample of blood saturated hand print which helped him determine it was one of the last dying efforts of Libby.

How anyone can listen to these horrifying last minutes of these girls and not be affected and not want their killer behind prison bars for the rest of his sick, miserable life is beyond me. What was done to them is far worse than being held in segregation awaiting trial for their murders will ever be.

JMO
#Justice4Abby&Libby

The Delphi Murders: Three Days of Pretrial Hearings: Day Three

Everyone absolutely wants justice for Abby and Libby. We want law enforcement to solve the case. I want the killers to pay, absolutely. But they need to prove this person did the crime and that it would be impossible to have been committed by another person. I don’t think that “he could be bridge guy” is acceptable when we’re convicting someone of a double homicide. There are way more factors of this case outside of a man seen in the back of the video that could be used to genuinely solve this case based on the actual crime scene.

We have a laws and a constitution in America that we need to follow. We don’t get to pick and choose who the law applies to. That’s a steep slope to everyone just giving up all of their rights and just bringing back lynching. Anyone who subscribes to that mindset has no idea the amount of false convictions that occur in this country. That is not a civilized society. We have a trial and convict the person on evidence before punishing them for a year in solitary confinement.

Administrative segregation, restricted housing unit, solitary confinement is all synonyms for the same thing. They just keep changing the name to make it sound better. You can Google what Westville calls their solitary confinement unit. We’re discussing the section of the prison where convicted inmates are punished by being held in a cell all day long alongside the worst of the worst convicted inmates. This is illegal in most civilized countries and is restricted to 30 days in Indiana.

All MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I want to know what the actual Autopsy Report says about ToD; couldn't care less whether the notes mention it or not.

I guess we wait until trial.

I have a pretty good idea that it's at or shortly after that cell phone stops tracking steps and ends up laying under one of the girls where it is found the next day ... and before BG/RA is seen on video passing by the Harvester Store.

Nope; no Odinistic Scarifical murder happened between sundown the 13th and sunup the 14th. It just didn't - no matter how much they want to try to make it "fit" into their fake-Odinism theory. Woods next to water ... woods next to the bridge where the girls chose visit that day vice some "ritualistic round clearing in the woods next to water" that Odinists had set up for a scarifice and lured these sacrifcal victims to. They were forced there, by a man with a gun. A man who will soon stand trial to answer for the crimes he committed that day. BECAUSE - in order for this to be an actual "Ritualistic Odinistic Sacrificial Murder occuring on an Odinistic Date appropriate to that religion" then that means that there had to be pre-planning by these Odinists. Where's the D-Teams evidence of all these Odinists planning this up? How do they explain them messing up the timing? Is every murder that occurs outside now evidence of a Odinistic Rtual Murder? Every murder that happens in a small clearing in the woods? Every murder that sees a victim covered up with sticks and twigs and leaves? Every murder by water? Every murder from sunup to sundown? Every murder that happens on 13 Feb? A man who has made many admissions inclusive of information only the killer would know has admitted to this crime. Every single thing 'the expert' has stated indicates Odinistic Ritualism (NOTE: The FBI Crime scene certified experts [who actually viewed the evidence before forming their conclusions] disagree with her assessment for those who conveniently forget that factoid) also indicates thousands of other other crime scenes. And so the D is left scrambling to make the murders happen later/overnight than they did. Good luck with that.

I'm also really interested to see what Team D is going to try to come up with if the Odinism isn't allowed at trial. They obviously have to place the ToD later as they can't place their own client away from the scene of the crime at the time it actually occured (by witness accounts and his own questioning and the phone data).

If the defense team has to pivot from their Odinist fantasy their credibility will plummet to zero. They will prove that they willingly and purposefully made it all up.
Then to brainstorm up another fairy tale would only prove how hard they want to put this child murderer back on the streets.