Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[Niner]

New filings today:
--State's Response to Motion to Compel Deponents to Answer
--State's Objection to viewing the scene
--State's Motion in Limine Regarding Defense Witness
--NON-PARTY INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION’S RESPONSE TO
DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO COMPEL DEPONENTS TO ANSWER
CERTIFIED QUESTIONS

I'm trying to attach them here, but they don't seem to be uploading.

Can someone who has access (@FrostedGlass maybe?) to the court site - detail info - please post these - so I can put them in my notes. TIA!

 

[shonyakay]

@Melted
"As for the tip, IMO, anyone that believes that after the river search the Grissom Air Force base meeting all leading up to what everyone expected as an arrest… to an arrest. That that was just coincidence and they had just rediscovered this old tip from the first or second day of the 5 year investigation is extremely naive

IMO moo" - @Melted

The airforce base meeting and the Wabash river search had nothing to do with RA and everything to do with a known liar and convicted csam pervert.

 

[mrjitty]

As for the tip, IMO, anyone that believes that after the river search the Grissom Air Force base meeting all leading up to what everyone expected as an arrest… to an arrest. That that was just coincidence and they had just rediscovered this old tip from the first or second day of the 5 year investigation is extremely naive.

IMO moo

RSBM

If this were true, why would the prosecution not say so? And the defence would also know this?

Seems unlikely to me.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Can someone who has access (@FrostedGlass maybe?) to the court site - detail info - please post these - so I can put them in my notes. TIA! View attachment 534004

Thanks for the tag. Sorry, but I quit my updating job. Maybe this bump will help.

 

[FrostedGlass]

@Melted
"As for the tip, IMO, anyone that believes that after the river search the Grissom Air Force base meeting all leading up to what everyone expected as an arrest… to an arrest. That that was just coincidence and they had just rediscovered this old tip from the first or second day of the 5 year investigation is extremely naive

IMO moo" - @Melted

The airforce base meeting and the Wabash river search had nothing to do with RA and everything to do with a known liar and convicted csam pervert.

I'm curious about your opinion
"The airforce base meeting and the Wabash river search had nothing to do with RA and everything to do with a known liar and convicted csam pervert."

The P's reasoning behind sealing the PCA and other docs was there were possibly others involved in the murders. As of the time of RA's arrest, who do you think those others might have been? I'm thinking everyone that we know of, except for the one you mentioned, was cleared by then.

 

[steeltowngirl]

RSBM

If this were true, why would the prosecution not say so? And the defence would also know this?

Seems unlikely to me.

I can’t speak for the OP, but my theory was that the Grissom search and accompanying interviews brought forth additional evidence of known suspect RA’s involvement in CSAM / catfishing. The evidence they needed to finally bring charges. He had been either directly in contact with the girls online, using the a_shots or a related account, or he was paid or coerced to target the girls. Due to the active investigation, prosecution could not say more at the time of RA’s arrest.

Now that we know of Vido’s testimony that the search did not connect the others, I have had to put my theory aside and will wait to hear details at trial of a possible motive and how LE circled back to RA. Maybe it really was just a lost tip, and a diligent clerk going through old files finally located it.

jmo

 

[shonyakay]

I'm curious about your opinion
"The airforce base meeting and the Wabash river search had nothing to do with RA and everything to do with a known liar and convicted csam pervert."

The P's reasoning behind sealing the PCA and other docs was there were possibly others involved in the murders. As of the time of RA's arrest, who do you think those others might have been? I'm thinking everyone that we know of, except for the one you mentioned, was cleared by then.

I agree that after RA's arrest and the weeks following, LE had to check if RA was connected to anyone who was looked at in the case previously. There was no link found per ISP Detective Vito.

Your post seemed to suggest that is what you believe now (i.e. air force base/Wabash river search connected to RA's arrest) and if you don't believe that, you are naive.

Carter mentioned in an interview that when they receive a tip about someone there is like 50 to 60 detectives that will go through ALL of the prior tips starting from the beginning.

We don't know yet exactly what first led to LE looking at RA.

Was the detectives doing what Carter said after a tip came in about RA and they then located DD's tip narrative?

Ethan Patz' case got solved due to media attention centered on a search of someone (a handyman) who LE was looking into but was later found to have no involvement.
The news media surrounding that man and the search conducted prompted a tip from someone that led to the real perp. The man being looked into and the real perp had no ties.

 

[Niner]

Thanks for the tag. Sorry, but I quit my updating job. Maybe this bump will help.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I agree that after RA's arrest and the weeks following, LE had to check if RA was connected to anyone who was looked at in the case previously. There was no link found per ISP Detective Vito.

Your post seemed to suggest that is what you believe now (i.e. air force base/Wabash river search connected to RA's arrest) and if you don't believe that, you are naive.

Carter mentioned in an interview that when they receive a tip about someone there is like 50 to 60 detectives that will go through ALL of the prior tips starting from the beginning.

We don't know yet exactly what first led to LE looking at RA.

Was the detectives doing what Carter said after a tip came in about RA and they then located DD's tip narrative?

Ethan Patz' case got solved due to media attention centered on a search of someone (a handyman) who LE was looking into but was later found to have no involvement.
The news media surrounding that man and the search conducted prompted a tip from someone that led to the real perp. The man being looked into and the real perp had no ties.

I haven't seen Vito's testimony yet. Do you know when no link was found?

My post is only a question to you and my opinion.
I have no idea why you think I'm suggesting anyone is naive.

 

[shonyakay]

I haven't seen Vito's testimony yet. Do you know when no link was found?

My post is only a question to you and my opinion.
I have no idea why you think I'm suggesting anyone is naive.

So sorry. My reply in regards to the naive comment was directed @Melted not you.

 

[shonyakay]

I might be totally wrong but I believe they are allowed 3 opportunities and they've used 1.

Turns out the 3 continuance only is an old wives tale, this is why we must vet info for ourselves.


Here is Indiana law regarding a continuance.

(A) Either party may be granted a continuance for good cause shown. Except in unusual circumstances no party shall be allowed more than one (1) continuance in any case, and all continuances must have the specific approval of the court. Continuances shall be for as short a period as possible, and where feasible the party not requesting the continuance shall be considered in scheduling a new hearing date. The court shall give notice of the continuance and the new date and time of trial to all parties.

 

[shonyakay]

I haven't seen Vito's testimony yet. Do you know when no link was found?

It had to have been after RA's arrest because Vito testified that he talked to many in Peru and could find no connection between RA's family and the pervert's family. He also testified he could find no digital connection. Meaning no connection between AS account and RA.

 

[FrostedGlass]

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Aww... don't cry.
Someone will probably be posting the actual docs as soon as they find sources.

 

[shonyakay]

I agree that after RA's arrest and the weeks following, LE had to check if RA was connected to anyone who was looked at in the case previously. There was no link found per ISP Detective Vito.

Your post seemed to suggest that is what you believe now (i.e. air force base/Wabash river search connected to RA's arrest) and if you don't believe that, you are naive.

Carter mentioned in an interview that when they receive a tip about someone there is like 50 to 60 detectives that will go through ALL of the prior tips starting from the beginning.

We don't know yet exactly what first led to LE looking at RA.

Was the detectives doing what Carter said after a tip came in about RA and they then located DD's tip narrative?

Ethan Patz' case got solved due to media attention centered on a search of someone (a handyman) who LE was looking into but was later found to have no involvement.
The news media surrounding that man and the search conducted prompted a tip from someone that led to the real perp. The man being looked into and the real perp had no ties.

I can't edit this post of mine but I need to clear this up. I watched Carter's interview again and he wasn't talking about any tip coming in, he was talking about "the tip." That is when he talks about putting 60 detectives on it to go back through the case/tips from the beginning.

This may have been what happened in regards to RA and what led to the discovery of DD's tip narrative.

Time stamp: 2:15

 

[girlhasnoname]

Justice for Abby & Libby is what I hope for. Not a who is right or wrong but Justice for two innocent friends out for a walk on MHB never once thinking it would be the last day of their young, innocent lives.

The parents and family members deserve to see Justice and to begin the process of healing, because IMO ‘closure’ is an overused word to those who have suddenly lost a love one in such a brutal fashion. Abby & Libby are gone and never coming home.

Their killer needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I personally believe RA=BG=Killer and hope that a jury of his peers agrees and RA never sees the light of day as a free man again. That is what the vicious killer of these girls deserves.

JMO

 

[Vern]

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State's Reponse Motion to Certify

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State Objection to Defence Request to Visit Crime Scene

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State Motion in Limine Regarding Defence Witness

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Non-Party Department of Correction's Response to Motion to Compel Deponents to Answer Certified Questions

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[Niner]

State's Reponse Motion to Certify

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Thank you @Vern - can I use you as my "go-to" person for this case? And I have 2 other Indiana cases I will need help on. TIA if you can help keep my notes straight!