Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[Inthedetails]

I think the Mods will open a new thread for TRIAL ----and it can be designated then as only for discussing what is happening in the trial.

When we get closer, we can hit report, and ask for a New Trial thread. It will be in the TRIAL forum.

That would be awesome!

jmo

 

[tlcya]

I am reminded of some of the previous trials I've watched here. Casey Anthony, Jodi Aries, etc. Wild times.

For those that may not have followed high profile trials at WS, just a heads up those threads can move very fast. They can get contentious easily but the content of posts is mainly the testimony being given at that time and members' impressions of it.

I will be thinking of our mods during this trial, it is always a hectic time behind the scenes. Some trials have necessitated several threads in a day, that is how quickly they move and reach post capacity.

 

[FrostedGlass]

People keep saying that---"but he also said he was innocent"-----AS IF that hurts the Prosecution case.

But I don't think it does.

Innocent defendants consistently say they are innocent. They rarely, if ever, confess 60+ times to murder.

Guilty defendants almost always insist they are innocent. So saying that he 'also claimed innocence' means next to nothing, IMO.

Once he confessed so many times and to so many different people, his statements of Innocence are meaningless.

RSBM to focus only on your remark to me. My comment had nothing to do with whether it hurt the prosecution or not. The P wasn't even mentioned.

IMO: The D will call actual medical experts to talk about the effects of whatever drugs RA was given. Hopefully they had a drug analysis done on him. The defense will show the jury numerous videos of RA's actions while he was in a psychotic state. They will see with their own eyes the conditions RA was kept in.

I don't know which way the jury will go.

 

[iamshadow21]

I am reminded of some of the previous trials I've watched here. Casey Anthony, Jodi Aries, etc. Wild times.

For those that may not have followed high profile trials at WS, just a heads up those threads can move very fast. They can get contentious easily but the content of posts is mainly the testimony being given at that time and members' impressions of it.

I will be thinking of our mods during this trial, it is always a hectic time behind the scenes. Some trials have necessitated several threads in a day, that is how quickly they move and reach post capacity.

Yeah, I think Gannon's trial, it moved about a thread every court day. For over a month. And at the same time, there were two other big trials happening, one of which was Lori Vallow. It was nuts.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

RSBM to focus only on your remark to me. My comment had nothing to do with whether it hurt the prosecution or not. The P wasn't even mentioned.

IMO: The D will call actual medical experts to talk about the effects of whatever drugs RA was given. Hopefully they had a drug analysis done on him. The defense will show the jury numerous videos of RA's actions while he was in a psychotic state. They will see with their own eyes the conditions RA was kept in.

I don't know which way the jury will go.

The defendant was not in a psychotic state during every confession. IMO... I doubt he managed to send a letter of confession to the warden while in a psychotic state, for example.

 

[ClearAhead]

RSBM to focus only on your remark to me. My comment had nothing to do with whether it hurt the prosecution or not. The P wasn't even mentioned.

IMO: The D will call actual medical experts to talk about the effects of whatever drugs RA was given. Hopefully they had a drug analysis done on him. The defense will show the jury numerous videos of RA's actions while he was in a psychotic state. They will see with their own eyes the conditions RA was kept in.

I don't know which way the jury will go.

It will be interesting to see how wide the D dare open the door to RA’s mental health as it may have had a direct bearing not only on the confessions but also direct involvement in the act of murder. We don’t know the full extent of his prior mental health issues but it didn’t just begin with his incarceration or drug treatment in prison. MOO

Jurors will hear Delphi murder suspect's statements allegedly admitting to the killings

Richard Allen supposedly told people while he's been in pretrial detention that he killed Libby German and Abby Williams on Feb. 13, 2017.

www.jconline.com

“The Court is not persuaded that the detention caused the defendant to make incriminating statements. While the defendant does suffer from major depressive disorder and anxiety, those are not serious mental illnesses that prevent the defendant from making voluntary statements.”

 

[iamshadow21]

It will be interesting to see how wide the D dare open the door to RA’s mental health as it may have had a direct bearing not only on the confessions but also direct involvement in the act of murder. We don’t know the full extent of his prior mental health issues but it didn’t just begin with his incarceration or drug treatment in prison. MOO

Jurors will hear Delphi murder suspect's statements allegedly admitting to the killings

Richard Allen supposedly told people while he's been in pretrial detention that he killed Libby German and Abby Williams on Feb. 13, 2017.

www.jconline.com

“The Court is not persuaded that the detention caused the defendant to make incriminating statements. While the defendant does suffer from major depressive disorder and anxiety, those are not serious mental illnesses that prevent the defendant from making voluntary statements.”

I think the problem with the defense making mental health a pivotal thing is, they never, in all their bringing it up, asked for so much as a competency assessment, and are not arguing that their client was insane when the crime happened. So I don't know how much they will be able to use a mental health angle. They may struggle to prove relevance.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

I think the problem with the defense making mental health a pivotal thing is, they never, in all their bringing it up, asked for so much as a competency assessment, and are not arguing that their client was insane when the crime happened. So I don't know how much they will be able to use a mental health angle. They may struggle to prove relevance.

MOO

Didn't RA go into some sort of rehab or treatment in the weeks following the murder? For depression and/or alcohol issues? Correct me if I'm mis-remembering!

jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

Didn't RA go into some sort of rehab or treatment in the weeks following the murder? For depression and/or alcohol issues? Correct me if I'm mis-remembering!

jmo

I don't recall this.

MOO

 

[justtrish]

I think the problem with the defense making mental health a pivotal thing is, they never, in all their bringing it up, asked for so much as a competency assessment, and are not arguing that their client was insane when the crime happened. So I don't know how much they will be able to use a mental health angle. They may struggle to prove relevance.

MOO

They can make all the claims they want to and not have medical documentation to back it up, but if they had documentation saying the exact opposite of what they want everyone to think well then that wouldn't go well for them. I am curious about his health before the murders and shortly after.. curious if he had any stays in say a rehab facility or an in patient treatment of any kind.

Didn't RA go into some sort of rehab or treatment in the weeks following the murder? For depression and/or alcohol issues? Correct me if I'm mis-remembering!

jmo

I think this is a possibility. I do recall hearing this shortly after his arrest, but exactly where I saw/read/heard it, I can't say. I am curious if we will learn anything about this at trial. Not sure if that is typically something that is allowed in or if only in certain circumstances it is. I see how it could be relevant because trying to deal with having murdered 2 young girls might cause someone to drink more or have other problems in their life that could lead to needing treatment.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't recall this.

MOO

I was mistaken. The incident I'm thinking of happened BEFORE the murders, in 2015. There was a domestic incident in the Allen home when RA was drunk. His wife called the police and she took him to the hospital.

Suspect Richard Allen involved in ‘domestic incident’ two years before Delphi murders

Libby, 14, and Abby, 13, were murdered in 2017 after setting off on a hike along the Monon High Bridge Trail in their hometown of Delphi

www.the-independent.com

 

[arielilane]

CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. — It’s estimated the prosecution and upcoming trial of Richard Allen, accused of killing Abby Williams and Libby German near the Monon High Bridge outside of Delphi in 2017, will cost Carroll County taxpayers more than $4 million.

Jury selection in the oft times delayed trial begins in Allen County next week before the case moves to Delphi.

https://cbs4indy.com/news/delphi-prepares-for-double-murder-trial/

Updated: Oct 9, 2024 / 05:49 PM EDT

 

[sunshineray]

Yeah, I like to comment, lol. I just don't give a flip about youtubers, gossip, etc. Once the trial happens, I just want to know what happens in the courtroom.

I'm not dictating what should happen, just looking for a place where it will be straight courtroom coverage. Maybe twitter?

jmo

I still have my pipe dream that some news outlet will hire a stenographer to shorthand all the testimony and produce transcripts for the public every night...whaat? I can dream

 

[sunshineray]

RSBM to focus only on your remark to me. My comment had nothing to do with whether it hurt the prosecution or not. The P wasn't even mentioned.

IMO: The D will call actual medical experts to talk about the effects of whatever drugs RA was given. Hopefully they had a drug analysis done on him. The defense will show the jury numerous videos of RA's actions while he was in a psychotic state. They will see with their own eyes the conditions RA was kept in.

I don't know which way the jury will go.

You mean drug analysis done on him when he was confessing?

 

[Inthedetails]

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[Spartygirl]

JMO, I am fed up with the MS Podcast people. I haven’t listened to them for at least a year. They’ve interfered in this case, much more than any member of the public should.

LOL-- I will have to disagree.

The Doo Process Gang (multiple SM peeps in cahoots with the D-
Team) have interfered way more and with False facts.

At least the MS people report on facts and verify their information.
JMO

 

[Betty P]

LOL-- I will have to disagree.

The Doo Process Gang (multiple SM peeps in cahoots with the D-
Team) have interfered way more and with False facts.

At least the MS people report on facts and verify their information.
JMO

I agree, the defense team has interfered more than the podcast people. But the podcast people have inserted themselves much further into this case than civilians should. They've cause problems and I'm not sure why, unless they're just doing it for clicks.

 

[TTF14]

The defendant was not in a psychotic state during every confession. IMO... I doubt he managed to send a letter of confession to the warden while in a psychotic state, for example.

Lots of psychotic people have written long, rambling manifestos, so I think people can still read and write even in a state of psychosis. But, I'm not a psychiatrist so that's just my layperson opinion.

 

[TTF14]

Yeah, I think Gannon's trial, it moved about a thread every court day. For over a month. And at the same time, there were two other big trials happening, one of which was Lori Vallow. It was nuts.

MOO

I'm really not sure it will be the same with this trial since live Tweeting won't even be allowed. Maybe at nighttime when everyone's catching up with their favorite YouTubers covering the case? I'll be watching Lawyer Lee, who is balanced, unbiased, and brilliant (and attending the trial). There will be another big trial going on the same time, too (Sarah Boone). That one will be livestreamed I think, so a lot of attention may be on that since we won't be privy to what's going on in Delphi. IMO MOO JMO

 

[katydid23]

Didn't RA go into some sort of rehab or treatment in the weeks following the murder? For depression and/or alcohol issues? Correct me if I'm mis-remembering!

jmo

I believe so, IMO.