ABC producer paid for George, Cindy Anthony to stay at the Ritz

[DianeB]

We make an excellent research tool, no? All the work, all the time, all the digging. Hell, if I had to come up with new angles for a TV show every day, I'd have this place on the internet equivalent of speed-dial.

 

[RR0004]

IMO, she was not grateful at all. Caylee being found meant the donation jars for her search had to be put away, all of the internet
donation solicitations would end.
I have never heard Cindy publicly thank Kronk, actually, I don't think "thank you" is even part of her vocabulary.
It was ABC, not CBS, btw. Let's not involve an innocent network.

Though I think all the players are laying low since the TB debacle, I still wonder where she's shopping the story now. Someone is paying for the defense.

 

[Gma Kat]

We make an excellent research tool, no? All the work, all the time, all the digging. Hell, if I had to come up with new angles for a TV show every day, I'd have this place on the internet equivalent of speed-dial.

Yes we do DianeB! I just wish the NG show would check out the fact/rumor thread so they could do some accurate reporting for once. Sorry about the OT mods!

 

[RR0004]

I did not realize Jose Baez was there also!!!!

Didn't he do a little presser before/after Casey appeared in court per order the judge?
And didn't he state to the media he was appalled that it would be suggested he had anything in the way of contingency fees set up either now or for the future.
He was quite angry and he pretty much threatened that some of these reports/reporter's would be dealt with at another time?

Don't have the link but I remember this, it was after Caylee had been found and therefore, after this meeting at the Ritz!

OMG this guy's got to be watched and watched closely.......

BTW, thank you for your input!!

Oh, don't ya just love mighty indignation?!

Thanks to you as well.

 

[Gma Kat]

They aren't immediate family.

Cindy is Caylee's grandmother............not her immediate family??????

 

[debs]

Because I've often been so critical of the A's, my conscience demands that I speak up in their defense about a couple of things here.

I don't think it's really strange that they went to a hotel instead of going home, or that they dined with the others in the hotel's restraurant. Unfortunately, I have some personal insight from experience about what may have been going on with them at that point. It's perfectly possible they didn't want to go home because they just couldn't bear it, yet. They'd spent 5 debilitating months there, living on hope and fear, comforting themselves with Caylee's bedroom and toys, and they'd just discovered her body had been rotting right down the street. Last but not least, they also knew the media would be swarming all over the place if they went home.

It's also likely that they were too drained and emotionally battered to do anything except follow the orders/suggestions of others like heartbroken puppets, i.e., "You need to eat...We should eat in the hotel...Come downstairs to dinner...You shouldn't go home yet...Stay at the hotel another night..."

I'm puzzled by the fact that Cindy wanted to spend time that night with DC instead of George, but maybe he was asleep already.

Friday, your compassion is insurmountable and abundant. However, the Anthony's did not know at the time that it was Caylee. Just that a small child's remains had been found. While the average bear would assume it to be Caylee, the statement the Anthony family put out regarding the find was that they "are realistic but continue to hope and pray that these remains are not those of our precious granddaughter, Caylee...." and then they go on to ask for prayers for Caylee "and all other missing children." In effect, despite overwhelming evidence to the possibility that it was indeed Caylee, they still held out hope that it was not.

Casey reacted to Padilla's find with disregard and Cindy charged down to J Blanchard Park like an avenging warrior, making a scene. Casey reacts to this news needing a sedative and Cindy reacts with quiet resignation. George reacts to both in a similar manner, angry. Cindy states she had someone looking in there a month earlier and the question WHY? is still large in this case. Their quiet acceptance of the word of remains that close to their home is contrary to the fact that there was someone out there in the same spot at Cindy's behest. Their addition of the hope they were not Caylee's remains are disingenuous, because they'd sent someone to look there.

The people with the Anthony's that night at the Ritz are not friends. They all have a vested interest in the case. George and Cindy and Lee and Mallory have with them people who are looking to make a name for themselves, or a dollar. There is just no other way to put that. It becomes a business meeting, with those who have a monetary interest outnumbering those with an emotional interest. It is a business meeting, regardless of the emotional state the Anthony's may have been in. What they ate and where they ate it is never the point. Who was with them, is. Whatever association and friendship that may have developed between the Anthony's and KFN and MB, it is still primarily a business venture for them. Jose serves no one but Casey, and ABC serves nothing but the media interest.

I find their reactions to be just as important as Casey's, for the fact that they'd sent someone to conduct a search in the very area. They met with people who had a business interest in being with them. I do not (despite Chilly's attempts to make my statements seem as though I do) care where they stayed, how long they stayed there, what they ate, and who paid for it. I do care about their reactions and their statements. I do care about the people who they were with and what those people could possibly get out of such a meeting at such a time. I do care that even if nothing more happened than that they ate and slept, what the Anthony's again have done is to put themselves into a position where people notice an inappropriateness. No one else was present or privy to what happened at the meeting. It could have been all innocent largesse (as I said before) on the part of ABC. Just because no story has yet come out from ABC does not mean that one will never come out. But again, those outside the family that attended have a business interest. And that is where the inappropriateness comes into play for me.

As I said before, there may be an innocent explanation there. Somewhere. But as of the night of that meeting at the Ritz, they did not have any confirmation that the remains found were those of Caylee and indeed their statement later on suggest they still hold hope they were not. So if they're broken down with grief and incapable of being in their home surrounded by her memory, I have to ask why. IF as they say they do not know, why must they avoid her memory there in the home? IF as they say they hold out hope, why did they have someone there looking a month earlier? IF as they say they want privacy, why were they meeting that night with someone from the media?

 

[RR0004]

Friday, your compassion is insurmountable and abundant. However, the Anthony's did not know at the time that it was Caylee. Just that a small child's remains had been found. While the average bear would assume it to be Caylee, the statement the Anthony family put out regarding the find was that they "are realistic but continue to hope and pray that these remains are not those of our precious granddaughter, Caylee...." and then they go on to ask for prayers for Caylee "and all other missing children." In effect, despite overwhelming evidence to the possibility that it was indeed Caylee, they still held out hope that it was not.

Casey reacted to Padilla's find with disregard and Cindy charged down to J Blanchard Park like an avenging warrior, making a scene. Casey reacts to this news needing a sedative and Cindy reacts with quiet resignation. George reacts to both in a similar manner, angry. Cindy states she had someone looking in there a month earlier and the question WHY? is still large in this case. Their quiet acceptance of the word of remains that close to their home is contrary to the fact that there was someone out there in the same spot at Cindy's behest. Their addition of the hope they were not Caylee's remains are disingenuous, because they'd sent someone to look there.

The people with the Anthony's that night at the Ritz are not friends. They all have a vested interest in the case. George and Cindy and Lee and Mallory have with them people who are looking to make a name for themselves, or a dollar. There is just no other way to put that. It becomes a business meeting, with those who have a monetary interest outnumbering those with an emotional interest. It is a business meeting, regardless of the emotional state the Anthony's may have been in. What they ate and where they ate it is never the point. Who was with them, is. Whatever association and friendship that may have developed between the Anthony's and KFN and MB, it is still primarily a business venture for them. Jose serves no one but Casey, and ABC serves nothing but the media interest.

I find their reactions to be just as important as Casey's, for the fact that they'd sent someone to conduct a search in the very area. They met with people who had a business interest in being with them. I do not (despite Chilly's attempts to make my statements seem as though I do) care where they stayed, how long they stayed there, what they ate, and who paid for it. I do care about their reactions and their statements. I do care about the people who they were with and what those people could possibly get out of such a meeting at such a time. I do care that even if nothing more happened than that they ate and slept, what the Anthony's again have done is to put themselves into a position where people notice an inappropriateness. No one else was present or privy to what happened at the meeting. It could have been all innocent largesse (as I said before) on the part of ABC. Just because no story has yet come out from ABC does not mean that one will never come out. But again, those outside the family that attended have a business interest. And that is where the inappropriateness comes into play for me.

As I said before, there may be an innocent explanation there. Somewhere. But as of the night of that meeting at the Ritz, they did not have any confirmation that the remains found were those of Caylee and indeed their statement later on suggest they still hold hope they were not. So if they're broken down with grief and incapable of being in their home surrounded by her memory, I have to ask why. IF as they say they do not know, why must they avoid her memory there in the home? IF as they say they hold out hope, why did they have someone there looking a month earlier? IF as they say they want privacy, why were they meeting that night with someone from the media?

IMO, this is so good, it bears repeating.

 

[Melanie]

um The Ritz Carlton is just a hotel and dinner does not cost $100 per person. I am an event planner for a large bank and I stay at the Ritz all the time.

I think many if you have large illusions of what a Ritz Carlton hotel is. It is a warm and normal hotel with medium priced food and nothing screams lets party.

I don't know that this thread is important at all. IMO

As an event planner myself, I find we're taking this way over the top. If my GD had died, and my daughter was in prison, I would have to be led around practically on a leash. I've done expense reports for some of my co-workers for 1,000's of dollars for just dinner! I don't think this was a big deal at all. As a matter of fact, I'm glad someone put them in a nice hotel so they could get a break from the media. Now for the dinner, any event planner knows they should have put them in a private room. But that's JMO.

As far as George and the hotel he stayed in. It broke my heart that he had to go to "that" level in order to attempt to take his life. That hotel just stank of trailer trash (sorry - jmho).

Again - JMO

Melanie

 

[DianeB]

I figured Jose was there to give her parents the scoop on how Casey reacted to the find and what, if anything, she said about it. They had no way to contact her directly.

I thought Jose's tête-à-tête with the ABC producer was interesting. Obviously ABC was trying to cultivate a relationship with the Anthonys for future use, and Folmer was probably happy to be able to Carpe Diem (as Casey apparently would say) and step in to help them at the exact moment George and Cindy were in immediate need.

If ABC didn't report on any unsubstantiated-source tidbits shortly after Jose spoke with Folmer, I don't think he revealed anything pertinent to the case. I think it's more likely he was doing a little Carpe Diem'ing for his own future benefit in having another TV network media contact.

 

[jennyb]

Friday, your compassion is insurmountable and abundant. However, the Anthony's did not know at the time that it was Caylee. Just that a small child's remains had been found. While the average bear would assume it to be Caylee, the statement the Anthony family put out regarding the find was that they "are realistic but continue to hope and pray that these remains are not those of our precious granddaughter, Caylee...." and then they go on to ask for prayers for Caylee "and all other missing children." In effect, despite overwhelming evidence to the possibility that it was indeed Caylee, they still held out hope that it was not.

Casey reacted to Padilla's find with disregard and Cindy charged down to J Blanchard Park like an avenging warrior, making a scene. Casey reacts to this news needing a sedative and Cindy reacts with quiet resignation. George reacts to both in a similar manner, angry. Cindy states she had someone looking in there a month earlier and the question WHY? is still large in this case. Their quiet acceptance of the word of remains that close to their home is contrary to the fact that there was someone out there in the same spot at Cindy's behest. Their addition of the hope they were not Caylee's remains are disingenuous, because they'd sent someone to look there.

The people with the Anthony's that night at the Ritz are not friends. They all have a vested interest in the case. George and Cindy and Lee and Mallory have with them people who are looking to make a name for themselves, or a dollar. There is just no other way to put that. It becomes a business meeting, with those who have a monetary interest outnumbering those with an emotional interest. It is a business meeting, regardless of the emotional state the Anthony's may have been in. What they ate and where they ate it is never the point. Who was with them, is. Whatever association and friendship that may have developed between the Anthony's and KFN and MB, it is still primarily a business venture for them. Jose serves no one but Casey, and ABC serves nothing but the media interest.

I find their reactions to be just as important as Casey's, for the fact that they'd sent someone to conduct a search in the very area. They met with people who had a business interest in being with them. I do not (despite Chilly's attempts to make my statements seem as though I do) care where they stayed, how long they stayed there, what they ate, and who paid for it. I do care about their reactions and their statements. I do care about the people who they were with and what those people could possibly get out of such a meeting at such a time. I do care that even if nothing more happened than that they ate and slept, what the Anthony's again have done is to put themselves into a position where people notice an inappropriateness. No one else was present or privy to what happened at the meeting. It could have been all innocent largesse (as I said before) on the part of ABC. Just because no story has yet come out from ABC does not mean that one will never come out. But again, those outside the family that attended have a business interest. And that is where the inappropriateness comes into play for me.

As I said before, there may be an innocent explanation there. Somewhere. But as of the night of that meeting at the Ritz, they did not have any confirmation that the remains found were those of Caylee and indeed their statement later on suggest they still hold hope they were not. So if they're broken down with grief and incapable of being in their home surrounded by her memory, I have to ask why. IF as they say they do not know, why must they avoid her memory there in the home? IF as they say they hold out hope, why did they have someone there looking a month earlier? IF as they say they want privacy, why were they meeting that night with someone from the media?

Deb, I really applaud your post. One silver lining that might offset many of our feelings of inappropriateness and downright disgust (mine) is that one day the ABC person at that meeting may be called to testify about what took place there -- at the trial of CA, if it happens. May sound far-fetched but I think it's plausible. Nothing is over until it's over.

 

[trafficsUP66]

IMO, she was not grateful at all. Caylee being found meant the donation jars for her search had to be put away, all of the internet
donation solicitations would end.
I have never heard Cindy publicly thank Kronk, actually, I don't think "thank you" is even part of her vocabulary.
It was ABC, not CBS, btw. Let's not involve an innocent network.

OMG---How do I fix this???

 

[Gma Kat]

This has been a great thread for some awesome debate. I think it is telling that it took a media outlet to comfort and house the A's, feed them, etc., after they returned from their propaganda junket in California (searching for Caylee right?) While it is irrelevent that they stayed at the Ritz, or ate caviar by the shovel full, what is disgusting is that they obviously have no one else. It says a lot to me that this family has no one to go to. secretsquirrel stated that CA's parents were not immediate family and therefore going to them was not an option??? Cindy is Caylee's grandparent (as per my above post) yet she could not go to her own mother for shelter or comfort. I think this is indicative of a greater family dysfunction than just the "A" family of 4. What is wholly unsettling is that, like other posters have so well stated, their granddaughter had just been found dead and they had a business meeting? I find it appalling that the media would insinuate itself into this moment AND that the A's allowed it. The statistics tell us that hundreds of thousands of children go missing......how many circuses have we seen? I can think of only a couple, and they were circuses for similar reasons.....the media and the family dynamic of the missing child (e.g., JonBenet, Laci and Connor Peterson, Maddy Mann). So when the media gets ahold of a nutjob family like the A's we get the circus. If the media gets ahold of a family like say, the Smart family, you don't get a circus. So I blame both the media and the Anthony's for creating the debacle and taking the focus off of precious Caylee.

 

[whiteangora]

Friday, your compassion is insurmountable and abundant. However, the Anthony's did not know at the time that it was Caylee.
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I think they did know, their house was being searched and treated as a crime scene, how could they not know?

 

[RR0004]

I figured Jose was there to give her parents the scoop on how Casey reacted to the find and what, if anything, she said about it. They had no way to contact her directly.

I thought Jose's tête-à-tête with the ABC producer was interesting. Obviously ABC was trying to cultivate a relationship with the Anthonys for future use, and Folmer was probably happy to be able to Carpe Diem (as Casey apparently would say) and step in to help them at the exact moment George and Cindy were in immediate need.

If ABC didn't report on any unsubstantiated-source tidbits shortly after Jose spoke with Folmer, I don't think he revealed anything pertinent to the case. I think it's more likely he was doing a little Carpe Diem'ing for his own future benefit in having another TV network media contact.

But, for all we know this relationship had long been "cultivated".

 

[whiteangora]

OMG---How do I fix this???

If it's too late for you to edit maybe a mod could help you?
I was not trying to criticize you, only trying to keep on track,
no offense was intended.:blowkiss:

 

[RR0004]

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I think they did know, their house was being searched and treated as a crime scene, how could they not know?

Wouldn't be the first time that what they said didn't come close to reality.

I think what was implied is that nothing jived with their behavior.

 

[DianeB]

But, for all we know this relationship had long been "cultivated".

Sure. If the 'get' is big enough to draw huge ratings, it could take months to pay off. In the meantime, the media and the subject do a little bonding ritual.

Right now, the value (to both sides) of having the Anthonys or the defense attorneys on your air isn't all that great. It will ratchet way up when the trial starts, which could be a year away. In the meantime, they dance.

 

[trafficsUP66]

Friday, your compassion is insurmountable and abundant. However, the Anthony's did not know at the time that it was Caylee. Just that a small child's remains had been found. While the average bear would assume it to be Caylee, the statement the Anthony family put out regarding the find was that they "are realistic but continue to hope and pray that these remains are not those of our precious granddaughter, Caylee...." and then they go on to ask for prayers for Caylee "and all other missing children." In effect, despite overwhelming evidence to the possibility that it was indeed Caylee, they still held out hope that it was not.

Casey reacted to Padilla's find with disregard and Cindy charged down to J Blanchard Park like an avenging warrior, making a scene. Casey reacts to this news needing a sedative and Cindy reacts with quiet resignation. George reacts to both in a similar manner, angry. Cindy states she had someone looking in there a month earlier and the question WHY? is still large in this case. Their quiet acceptance of the word of remains that close to their home is contrary to the fact that there was someone out there in the same spot at Cindy's behest. Their addition of the hope they were not Caylee's remains are disingenuous, because they'd sent someone to look there.

The people with the Anthony's that night at the Ritz are not friends. They all have a vested interest in the case. George and Cindy and Lee and Mallory have with them people who are looking to make a name for themselves, or a dollar. There is just no other way to put that. It becomes a business meeting, with those who have a monetary interest outnumbering those with an emotional interest. It is a business meeting, regardless of the emotional state the Anthony's may have been in. What they ate and where they ate it is never the point. Who was with them, is. Whatever association and friendship that may have developed between the Anthony's and KFN and MB, it is still primarily a business venture for them. Jose serves no one but Casey, and ABC serves nothing but the media interest.

I find their reactions to be just as important as Casey's, for the fact that they'd sent someone to conduct a search in the very area. They met with people who had a business interest in being with them. I do not (despite Chilly's attempts to make my statements seem as though I do) care where they stayed, how long they stayed there, what they ate, and who paid for it. I do care about their reactions and their statements. I do care about the people who they were with and what those people could possibly get out of such a meeting at such a time. I do care that even if nothing more happened than that they ate and slept, what the Anthony's again have done is to put themselves into a position where people notice an inappropriateness. No one else was present or privy to what happened at the meeting. It could have been all innocent largesse (as I said before) on the part of ABC. Just because no story has yet come out from ABC does not mean that one will never come out. But again, those outside the family that attended have a business interest. And that is where the inappropriateness comes into play for me.

As I said before, there may be an innocent explanation there. Somewhere. But as of the night of that meeting at the Ritz, they did not have any confirmation that the remains found were those of Caylee and indeed their statement later on suggest they still hold hope they were not. So if they're broken down with grief and incapable of being in their home surrounded by her memory, I have to ask why. IF as they say they do not know, why must they avoid her memory there in the home? IF as they say they hold out hope, why did they have someone there looking a month earlier? IF as they say they want privacy, why were they meeting that night with someone from the media?

AND:

If they still had hope why then did they cancel their media appearances AND stop following up on tips of sightings of Caylee???

IMO, this was a business meeting! And LE should be right on top of this--specially if it's revealed that Casey Anthony, the defendant, is benefiting in any way in order to pay for her defense!!

(don't know how to snip yet??)

ETA--greatly enjoyed your post!!

 

[Gma Kat]

But, for all we know this relationship had long been "cultivated".

Exactly. If there is no behind closed doors deal going on why are all these media people connected to JB? I can only hope that one day IF there is ever a movie or book deal on this case that it is properly cast. Maybe we should start a thread on who should play whom! It could be a great way of venting...

 

[whiteangora]

Wouldn't be the first time that what they said didn't come close to reality.

I think what was impled is that nothing jived with their behavior.

My fault for not reading the entire post, I just did and I agree with what was said as far as their actions/reactions. thx.