Again: Where was Casey going for two years?

[OneLostGrl]

Here's one thing that I see some confusion about: KC DID work at universal as an assistant manager at Kodak, that's where she met Jesse. This is from Jesse's mouth, and I don't find any reason to think he's lying. After Caylee was born though, I have no idea what she was doing.

I do think it's easier than you guy's think to just mooch off your parents, tell them you'll try to get a job later, or lie about one. I"ve heard of people doing this.

Ita! It happens all the time these days.

 

[gitana1]

if she were escorting, it doesn't mean she did it all the time. it doesn't mean that she was involved in a big business, it could have just been her or a small group. i don't know, i really can't speculate seeing as i don't know for a fact she was doing it. just like lawyers, not all escorts are rich and rolling in it. who knows where any money went that she might have made herself? i don't. maybe she spent it all on stuff she wanted and stole the rest. again, i don't know.

I hear ya', except we're talking about where casey was going on a regular basis, not just a couple of days a week. People are discussing the cell phone pings showing that casey was all over the place, a lot. If it was some kind of work, then she should have something to show for that amount of work.
But, again, from what I have seen of casey's vehicle (or lack thereof) and her wardobe, her inability to go on vacations or the fact that she never apparently went on any vacations, tells me she did not have money. Not just that she did not have a lot of money, but that she pretty much had none. If she was telling her parents that she was working at Universal, or some other legitimate job, then she would have been able to get away with having some money, sometimes. But, interviews with the family seem to indicate she was always asking for money and finally also just stealing it. Being involved in stripping or escorting or something like that would fit casey's personality but I just don't see the facts for such a thing yet. I would lean more towards casey recently trying to create a business selling pornographic photos of herself, like in the last few months, but even that would not explain where the heck she went for the last two years.

 

[BuzzieCat]

I could be totally wrong and certainly Casey is not above being in some illegal line of work, but I really think she was just hanging out with friends when they didn't have to work or be in classes. Driving around. Maybe sneaking home sometimes or crashing in someone else's apt or what not. It's really strange because she would have had to do less work if she had just gotten an honest job or enrolled in community college or something. All the lying and stealing and hiding out from responsibility had to be harder and more complicated than just doing something straightforward with her life! Working and/or going to school is not easy but a lot easier IMO than keeping track of lies!

I think she is obsessed with "playing" and it is anathema to her to have anyone telling her where to be and for how long like a job or school would entail.

 

[Steely Dan]

ITA MasonJunior and desertmom! I definately think that KC shoplifted, matter of fact (if there were any way to verify but there isn't) I think that she probably started along time ago(teens, possibly earlier) and I also agree that she got into friend's, family, strangers - anybody - when and if an opportunity presented itself for her to take money out of a purse or a wallet. I can't shake having my suspicions around GA's story, first claiming that he lost money gambling online (or could have been just gossip at that point, I'm not sure if that actually came out of his own mouth?) and then he said that it was a Nigerian email scam. My suspicion is that KC may have been the "scammer" - I feel very very strongly that she is involved. Was LE able to recover ALL emails that have ever been sent and/or received from the A's computer including KC's laptop? It wouldn't surprise me at all if that turned out to be what KC was involved in. MOO

I was thinking the exact same thing. :clap:

 

[april_showers]

I could be totally wrong and certainly Casey is not above being in some illegal line of work, but I really think she was just hanging out with friends when they didn't have to work or be in classes. Driving around. Maybe sneaking home sometimes or crashing in someone else's apt or what not. It's really strange because she would have had to do less work if she had just gotten an honest job or enrolled in community college or something. All the lying and stealing and hiding out from responsibility had to be harder and more complicated than just doing something straightforward with her life! Working and/or going to school is not easy but a lot easier IMO than keeping track of lies!

I think she is obsessed with "playing" and it is anathema to her to have anyone telling her where to be and for how long like a job or school would entail.

I totally agree. Carrying over something I posted on another thread, but...

What stuck in my head after reading these was KC dropping off Caylee as well. I can just picture her all dressed up in some "Business Wear by Target" ensemble: striped pants, collared shirt, some old ID lanyard from 2004 displayed proudly around her neck... Then she'd drop Caylee with Cindy, head to Amy and Ricardo's, or wherever, and pretend she'd just finished work for the day (most likely complete with stories about how Juliet showed up late again and how exhausting things are when Cheryl does a lousy job of planning...).

I know others have mused this before, but seriously - with the amount of effort this girl put into pretending, it would have been far easier to just go out a get a job!

 

[mes1955]

Interesting comment on society, but it doesn't address the question asked by the poster. How could a family not realize someone was lying about going work for 2 years ?

DENIAL...allowed to hide in the background of a lifestyle engulfed with other issues involving personal survival on a day-to-day basis. EMOTIONAL OVERLOAD!!!!! Apparently, in this scenario, KC's work status did not take priority. Based on the little bit of information that we have, it's not that hard to imagine...

 

[Mind student]

If we start at two years ago, that would be taking this
time out of context. The handwriting samples of all four of the A's, do not indicate an abrupt change. KC likely stole
other children's things when she was small. The other three
A's have attempted to adapt, to give a sense of normalcy.

When KC got pregnant, the A's were willing to adjust their lives again. From the first time KC worked at all, can you
imagine if it were of any appreciable amount, she would be
watching for her 1040 form to get her tax money? Also
the A's would need to know this....the IRS likely can shed
light on the two years...who claimed who?

KC has been a master of manipulation to parents who
hoped for a stable family...that never was.

Mind Student

 

[itsreenw]

Somewhere in the hundreds of pages of docs, I read that when the A's moved to FL, CA worked for a doctor or hospital where pro athletes were treated.

Being the ex-wife of a pro baseball player, I immediately thought that KC may have met an athlete through CA's job and had a one night stand and claimed to be pregnant by him.

I became close friends with my ex's agent who confided a lot of info with me including my ex's dirty deeds and about a $1,000 monthly stipend the agency sent to another player's girlfriend (that he allegedly fathered a child with), that his wife knew nothing about. $1,000 a mo is meager to an athlete but to a person with no other income, it's better than nothing. (Needless to say, my ex ended up firing that agent for telling me everything).

It's common for groupies to say they are pregnant to solicit money from athletes who are often married and would rather pay hush money than to have their indiscretions exposed. Not trying to start any rumors, but the thought went through my mind. Especially since there's a cloud of secrecy about who Caylee's dad is.

 

[radio]

Casey was "somewhere". Caylee was "somewhere". Someone isn't talking or we would know where they went, what they did, etc.. Who kept Caylee, if anyone at all? Maybe we just haven't been told yet. Maybe LE has this info and is not releasing it, as maybe one of her former friends did/does know and told. I think the answer to this will explain most of it. We may not like it - but I think most of the case is right here.

 

[publius]

KC was broke all of the time. The little money she did manage to get (from 'borrowing' or stealing from friends/family) she would blow quickly.

Notice how, once she was no longer living at the A's home, she started running the car out of gas all the time. The last doc dump confirmed that her car's gas gauge was working properly... She was simply too broke and too lazy to keep enough gas in the car!

 

[lawlady84]

Casey was "somewhere". Caylee was "somewhere". Someone isn't talking or we would know where they went, what they did, etc.. Who kept Caylee, if anyone at all? Maybe we just haven't been told yet. Maybe LE has this info and is not releasing it, as maybe one of her former friends did/does know and told. I think the answer to this will explain most of it. We may not like it - but I think most of the case is right here.

Agreed- Ricardo said when he was with KC, Caylee would always come with her when they hung out. I feel like until KC stopped hanging out mostly with Ricardo and that group, she just took Caylee with her. In Cindy's co-workers documents, they say recently Cindy had been complaining that she was watching Caylee more and more- which would coincide with when KC started hanging out with TL and the new boys. They probably weren't as open to having a child around- they were college boys, her old friends seemed to have jobs.

Also, I think in a weird way kids that go away to college (like TL and them) are a lot more immature than kids who have to work and go to school part time. When I was away at college, we joked that college was where "we live in a bubble and don't get in trouble." The type of parties that happened right on campus (nothing nefarious, but just the NOISE level, [underage] drinking, making out) could never happen in the "real world." It gives you almost a sense of entitlement - just because you are so insulated, and everything is paid for (ironically mostly by student loans - but you don't think about that at the time). Compared to friends of mine from high school who went right to work, or had a family, or stayed home and went to a local college - they seemed 10x more mature than I was.

Tangent, but that's why I have been thinking KCs old friends like Ricardo, Amy, etc. who seemed to be doing a lot at once (school, work, making a living) were mature enough to understand KC needed to bring Caylee around. If Full Sail was anything like my college, I could see the new boys saying NOT to bring Caylee because (1) its "weird" to them since they are in that college-bubble mentality, (2) they don't think the atmosphere is good for a baby, (3) they don't want the responsibility of having a baby around (who could get hurt, etc), and (4) TL might have wanted to have "fun" with KC (which a child who could cry wouldn't be conducive to).

If TL told LE that KC would show up with an ID badge on, I think we know exactly what she was doing since May. She'd tool around online during the day, then drop Caylee off with Cindy and go to TLs/her friends and say she just got off work. Before she was dropping Caylee off as frequently, she probably tooled around online all day/ran errands, then took Caylee with her to her friends houses/parties.

It seems like she had enough different friends that she could realistically have just been hanging out with different people each night a week when she wasn't home. And I think she only told CA that Caylee was at "the nanny" when KC and Caylee would BOTH be at a party or sleeping at Ricardo's house - I doubt CA would have okayed Caylee being present at a party where people were drinking, or sleeping at a guy's house that she doesn't know.

[sorry for the novel here, i'm wordy today]

 

[lawlady84]

ALSO, because I clearly didn't write enough earlier, I don't think she really needed to have a job for the two years. How much money could she possibly need a week?

She doesn't pay rent, utilities, food (except if she goes out), etc. Her parents obviously gave her money, and if its true that she stole thousands of dollars, I think that is more than enough to live on. Yes, she went shopping and she had clothes - but if she just had a closet full of clothes, that doesn't mean she went shopping every week or anything like that. If it's reported that she had boxes and boxes and boxes of clothes all over, then I might change my mind. But I had TONS of clothes in high school when I lived at home - saving up from Christmas, when my parents would give me $20 if I was going out, bargain shopping, etc. AND KC easily could have asked CA/GA for money to "buy stuff for Caylee" and then really bought herself things, figuring CA/GA probably liked buying Caylee things anyway so they wouldn't deprive her.

What do we know that she actually spent money on - before June 15th when she left home - that would require her to have a high-paying "job" or any job at all? We only KNOW she bought tons of stuff at the grocery store and target with Amy's money - but note this is AFTER she was out of CA/GA's house. No more free food, so she had to go to the store - also, since she knew she had all of amy's money, it seems almost manic how she went to 2 different targets in one day spending it. She might have thought "well this is my last hurrah, might as well go all out."

If we saw her in $500 jeans, Prada purses, etc. where you'd really need thousands of dollars of disposable income I'd jump back on the escort bandwagon. But even the stuff that was taken by OCSO is only about $20-$30 per piece, and we don't know if she acquired the stuff over the course of years.

 

[minazoe]

You know, more and more feel like the truth will come out about Casey's so called employment. MY best guess is that Cindy and George were in deep denial over Casey's activities, just as they were her pregnancy and the murder of Caylee.

It's interesting that no one has gone to the media about Casey's employment or lack of.

I find it hard to beleive that no one in that family asked her about her taxes, tax returns etc. If she said she was working under the table then where? You don't get "under the table" employment at Universal or Sports Authority. There are no current co workers ...so evidently this was another don't ask , don't tell situation where Cindy
just went along for the sake of appearances.

these parents are willing victims...sometimes the truth is just too painful. I beleive they
had some kind of Stockholm syndrome from trying to deal with and accept their mentally ill daughter. Possibly they felt that by not rocking the boat, they could keep her from her apocolyptic destiny.

I can understand this... if we all just hang on and stay on this sinking ship, eventually it will right itself.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

You know, more and more feel like the truth will come out about Casey's so called employment. MY best guess is that Cindy and George were in deep denial over Casey's activities, just as they were her pregnancy and the murder of Caylee.

It's interesting that no one has gone to the media about Casey's employment or lack of.

I find it hard to beleive that no one in that family asked her about her taxes, tax returns etc. If she said she was working under the table then where? You don't get "under the table" employment at Universal or Sports Authority. There are no current co workers ...so evidently this was another don't ask , don't tell situation where Cindy
just went along for the sake of appearances.

these parents are willing victims...sometimes the truth is just too painful. I beleive they
had some kind of Stockholm syndrome from trying to deal with and accept their mentally ill daughter. Possibly they felt that by not rocking the boat, they could keep her from her apocolyptic destiny.

I can understand this... if we all just hang on and stay on this sinking ship, eventually it will right itself.

:clap::clap:

 

[elle1919]

KC was broke all of the time. The little money she did manage to get (from 'borrowing' or stealing from friends/family) she would blow quickly.

Notice how, once she was no longer living at the A's home, she started running the car out of gas all the time. The last doc dump confirmed that her car's gas gauge was working properly... She was simply too broke and too lazy to keep enough gas in the car!

Agree....I just cannot buy into the escort/pornographic theory. We are talking about a young woman that stole change out of her daughter's piggy bank, stole money from her ailing grandfathers account, lifted her Mothers JCPenny card...I mean....stealing CHANGE from a piggy bank? nope, I don't see it. You are right about the running out of gas thing too, as soon as she stopped going back to the house on Hopespring after the night of the 15th, gas in her tank became an issue. Casey practically had her cell phone attached to her hand surgically, I mean...I have read her texting sessions and looked at the cell pings/calls. If Casey was an escort she was doing it while she was on the phone cause she was always on it it seems. Especially from May 2008 on. When she wasn't on the phone or texting she was on the computer or with someone. I don't know I could be wrong about this but I just can't see it.

 

[lala]

My question is...what about health insurance for Caylee? If she wasn't working and had state assistance...she would have had to fill out where she worked, income, etc. I don't know the law in FL, but wouldn't she have to prove income or lack of to get assistance, is there a time limit on the insurance provided by the state...and if she didn't use the state, did she tell her parents her work provided insurance for the baby? Just so many things that would have been red flags if she wasn't working full time.

This may be totally off topic...so sorry if it is.

 

[Chica]

My question is...what about health insurance for Caylee? If she wasn't working and had state assistance...she would have had to fill out where she worked, income, etc. I don't know the law in FL, but wouldn't she have to prove income or lack of to get assistance, is there a time limit on the insurance provided by the state...and if she didn't use the state, did she tell her parents her work provided insurance for the baby? Just so many things that would have been red flags if she wasn't working full time.

This may be totally off topic...so sorry if it is.

In Minnesota, a grandparent can cover a grandchild on their health insurance policy through work if they are providing for that grandchild and the grandchild lives with them...the grandchild becomes the grandparents' 'dependent', as long as they are under 22 years of age.

 

[Mrs.Peacock]

This is the question of the decade.
Running through the scenarios:
Escort:
-She's working "night-time" hours, typically from 5- whenever.
-She would have disposable income, and lots of it.
-She would probably spend most of said income on herself-clothes/car/cell phone.
This is a girl that primarily shops for her wardrobe at Target and uses coupons at the
grocery store.
-Her cell phone bill would be fairly expensive and may even be likely that she had a
"work" phone that may or may not be traceable.
Party girl:
-Same hours.
-Not much disposable income.
-She would need to borrow, steal or scam those extra pennies.
-There would be witnesses to her partying. Surely someone could come forward to attest to her party lifestyle, especially anyone who saw her on a regular basis at the clubs.

Sure it's not as simple as that, but neither of these ideas really fit. Drugs?

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

You know, more and more feel like the truth will come out about Casey's so called employment. MY best guess is that Cindy and George were in deep denial over Casey's activities, just as they were her pregnancy and the murder of Caylee.

It's interesting that no one has gone to the media about Casey's employment or lack of.

I find it hard to beleive that no one in that family asked her about her taxes, tax returns etc. If she said she was working under the table then where? You don't get "under the table" employment at Universal or Sports Authority. There are no current co workers ...so evidently this was another don't ask , don't tell situation where Cindy
just went along for the sake of appearances.

these parents are willing victims...sometimes the truth is just too painful. I beleive they
had some kind of Stockholm syndrome from trying to deal with and accept their mentally ill daughter. Possibly they felt that by not rocking the boat, they could keep her from her apocolyptic destiny.

I can understand this... if we all just hang on and stay on this sinking ship, eventually it will right itself.

I think there will be witnesses that have information on her 'employment' and I don't think we'll be surprised to learn she was working as an escort or was involved in some *advertiser censored* deal. I just hope Caylee never was involved but this has always been in the back of my head.

 

[RJOINNH]

Excellent points.
I just wanted to also point out that Casey went so far as to fake emails to cover those two potential pratfalls.
She had that fake email about the payroll office and HR being closed one day, presumably bc Cindy wondered why she had no cashflow.
And she had those weird fake emails about unanticipated schedule changes-- needing to randomly show up for an event somewhere etc.

Casey had the bases pretty well covered.

People can fail to see through the lies of a loved one for years and years:
they can overlook retrospectively obvious signs someone is having an affair or even faking a devastating illness. Pathological liars are insidious.

The fact that she had to / did create these phony emails, on numerous occasions, as a cover, should tell us all that her parents obviously knew or suspected that she had no job.
There had to be a reason to create these.......confronted at some point???.....then showed these to her parents to say see i have a job.
IMO CA and GA knew she was lying about her job and like everything else in life, she had a lie to cover it.
IMO this whole charade KC presented about her job was a addictive game to her. The thrill of keeping the cover up falls right into her personality disorders.