Again: Where was Casey going for two years?

[Simply Caustic]

See that's the thing, she did want to "work". She had an elaborate and detailed work life, complete with bosses, co-workers, special events, vacation (remember she was actually telling people she had 'vacation' she needed to use?), double shifts, etc. This was much more than just a cover story, she clearly enjoyed fantasizing about being this person, and, ultimately, pretending to be this person.

Why get a real job (one that would, no doubt, be bottom of the barrel considering her experience/education) when she could act out her fantasy career? She even had a fantasy 'event planning certificate' from Valencia Community College to go along with her fantasy job!

Brilliantly put. Does anyone know if her parents were aware she was never enrolled at Valencia? Or did they believe the event planning certificate to be authentic?

I am unsure how it works in Florida, but here in Chicago I am fairly certain you need a HS diploma or GED equivalent, in order to enroll for CREDITED courses at the community college. Uncredited courses, I am not so sure.

 

[publius]

Brilliantly put. Does anyone know if her parents were aware she was never enrolled at Valencia? Or did they believe the event planning certificate to be authentic?

I am unsure how it works in Florida, but here in Chicago I am fairly certain you need a HS diploma or GED equivalent, in order to enroll for CREDITED courses at the community college. Uncredited courses, I am not so sure.

She did have her HS diploma. Although she did not seem to 'walk' for her HS graduation.

She brought up her 'planning certificate' during the police interview at Universal. She told them all about it... Of course, LE later confirmed that she had never attended a class there.

I'm pretty sure she told many of her friends that she was attending college and, I believe, she told TL that she was attending Valencia. I don't know what/if GA/CA believed in RE the 'planning certificate' but going to 'night classes' would've been great cover for KC when she needed time away (and the work excuse was exhausted).

 

[Jolynna]

This is the question of the decade.
Running through the scenarios:
Escort:
-She's working "night-time" hours, typically from 5- whenever.
-She would have disposable income, and lots of it.
-She would probably spend most of said income on herself-clothes/car/cell phone.
This is a girl that primarily shops for her wardrobe at Target and uses coupons at the
grocery store.
-Her cell phone bill would be fairly expensive and may even be likely that she had a
"work" phone that may or may not be traceable.
Party girl:
-Same hours.
-Not much disposable income.
-She would need to borrow, steal or scam those extra pennies.
-There would be witnesses to her partying. Surely someone could come forward to attest to her party lifestyle, especially anyone who saw her on a regular basis at the clubs.

Sure it's not as simple as that, but neither of these ideas really fit. Drugs?

RM says when he and Casey were a "couple", Casey and Caylee spent their nights with him, 4 or 5 times a week. RM said he and Casey & Caylee sat around his apartment except for maybe 1 night a month. That wouldn't cost Casey any money.

After Casey moved in with AL, according to RM, Casey became a partier.

RM also said even after he and Casey were NOT an official couple Casey and Caylee still stayed with him (in his bed) from time to time. We know it happened June 9. That is only one week before Caylee died.

I think before June 16 spending the night with Zanny = Casey and Caylee sleeping with RM. I don't think Cindy would have been ok with the truth.

RM's testimony from http://www.wftv.com/news/18530380/detail.html .

 

[Mrs.Peacock]

In actuality, if she was spending her 'work' time at friend's houses, the beach, etc. none of those are costly and she could have used the credit card for her various bar tabs, A&F clothes, and Target sprees. However, IMO, when her Mom did bust her on the credit card debt, I am shocked that did not red flag to the As....i.e., "Okay Casey how did you spend $100 bucks at the mall on Monday when you were supposed to be at work?"

JMO.

Exactly. It would be interesting but most likely impossible to put together a timeline tracking the amount of money she scammed vs. what she spent where and for how long.

 

[Gma Kat]

My guess is she dealt drugs and maybe LA was privy to that....???
This two year period has puzzled me too. Not one person has come forward to fill in this blank - which is amazing to me. Fooling her parents for 2 years appears to be no big feet for KC, I can understand easily how physically she could appear to work; however, how in the heck did she account for the lack of $??? It definately wasn't legal income or it would be accounted for. Maybe the IRS should look into her taxes.....

 

[kellync]

hooker or dancer or both. I have said it all along, my instincts tell me, and I believe it.

 

[Gma Kat]

Just a thought: Minimum wage in Fl was 6.79 and on Jan 1 went to 7.21 per hour, as a single parent, she would qualify for earned income credit which she could opt to have put in her check weekly instead of waiting for her tax return. If she were to choose to get EIC in her tax return, she would get about 5000 extra in her return (Stepson's mom makes 4.21 per hour plus tips, her tax return last year was just at 7000.00)

There a several good daycares that accept "state assistance" for payment (point in fact, my stepson's mom paid 2.50 per week at the same daycare that I paid 95.00 per week)

If she chose to live away from home, there is (I don't know what it's called anywhere else) section 8 available to help pay rent (stepson's mom pays a whopping 90.00 per month on a 900 a month condo and has her electric paid through another program + food stamps for food).

If she was getting child support (stepson's mom gets 100 per week from DH), it does not count as income to qualify for this help, then that would add to a very doable budget.

Now if her parents continued to let her use the car and pay the insurance on it, there is no reason for her not to be self-supporting.

JMO

Plus you can write off the childcare expense on your taxes IF you are taking your child to licensed daycare......

 

[seagull65]

Since it became public knowledge that KC's lies regarding her employment were sheer fabrications, I immediately thought she was a "working girl - if only in a minor sense meaning not high-paid. When I lived in Metrowest, there were 2 very popular soceity girl clubs. These clubs catered to various clientele, especially public figures. I find it odd, and highly coincidental, that a group of event planners from Sawgrass used to advertise in Orlando's Craig's List under the same category that local prostitutes used for their advertising. They've since cracked down on these activities, b/c imo afterall it is illegal, and the police are scrutinizing everything b/c of the high profile crap going on down there. It absolutely amazes me that there are over 1000 sex offensers in Orlando alone, yet prostitutes could get away with free advertising via Craig's List! This could be one reason why KC latched onto the title of "Event Planner"...who knows. It would also be a reason why it remains unknown the way she got money to survive. IMO, there's no way she stole $$$ for 2 years from various people including her family and slept around with various guys without wanting $$$ of her own in the easiest way to obtain it. It just doesn't make sense to me. When I lived there, I knew 2 people that worked at The Platinum Club on Orange Blosson Trail and they did side jobs if you know what I mean. I thought they were nice girls, living together in their apartment to save on costs, that were going to college at UCF. One of these girls was super model gorgeous, simply beautiful. One day we were all hanging at the pool and out of the blue one of them said to me that I should think about it. That's not my cup of tea, definitely not. I expressed this to them. They told me how much money could be made, etc. That's when I found out they worked at Platinum. I'm not sure if that place is still there, but there's alot of money to be made as a stripper...that's for sure. Do I think KC did this...hmmm...I'm not so sure b/c she'd have had alot more $$$ and probably a luxury apartment to boot. One of these girls bought a vette in 4.5 months - paid cash almost $40K! KC didn't have that kind of $$$ and her wardrobe showed that, however she could have done side jobs which could have put some cash in her pockets and explained her whereabouts without being able to prove it. Again, this is only a thought, so please don't bash me. I think there's just a little more to it than KC being able to conveniently have a place to go every single day, rotate from guy to guy, lie about work, etc. - and get away with it for 2 years! There's no way she'd get that lucky.

I agree, and interesting post. I always wondered this as well. It was curious in Lee's visit to the jail, when discussing the two phones, and he said something cryptically about did that phone mostly have numbers of people having to do with "that professional capacity", or something like that. She quickly said "yes" and they said no more about it. I always thought from the beginning that she must have been doing some kind of work during the past couple years (at least on-again off-again, maybe not so much lately), that she preferred to keep private and that Lee probably knew about, whether something like you mention, some type of scamming (possibly the car parts scam that has been mentioned here at WS), selling drugs, soft-core "party entertainment", theft or identity theft maybe of tourists at Universal or anywhere else, or I don't know what. (My speculation only, I don't have proof.) In the photos where she's in the "cards" costume (I think it was back in 06 or 07, right?), which were often described as "pictures of her partying", the girls are doing soft-core type poses for photographs. It looked more like working than partying. At first I used to wonder if she'd maybe been a stripper/dancer and just didn't want her parents to know because they would not approve, but since she dreaded having to do the "hot body contest" dance so much and said they would never get her to do that again, was so nervous about getting onstage to dance that she had to "pound shots" according to the guy from Fusian (T.Piper? or who was it)--also judging from the photos of her in the hot body dance, I don't think she was a dancer. But I always have wondered about the above. Also, there was that one text where she was saying that Sean needed to "bring some girls" to Fusian, wasn't there? On the Lake Vaj guys website, which was maintained by SD, (now private), the profile originally said "Lake Vaj, Interests: *advertiser censored*.)

 

[seagull65]

See that's the thing, she did want to "work". She had an elaborate and detailed work life, complete with bosses, co-workers, special events, vacation (remember she was actually telling people she had 'vacation' she needed to use?), double shifts, etc. This was much more than just a cover story, she clearly enjoyed fantasizing about being this person, and, ultimately, pretending to be this person.

Why get a real job (one that would, no doubt, be bottom of the barrel considering her experience/education) when she could act out her fantasy career? She even had a fantasy 'event planning certificate' from Valencia Community College to go along with her fantasy job!

I agree regarding this very involved fantasy life. It's such a tragic shame that she didn't get directed toward a career earlier and helped with the whole transition to figure out appropriate childcare, etc, or directed toward the education she needed to get into the work world at a level to be able to afford good childcare, etc. It is actually quite difficult for a 19-22 year old to do that on their own, not that many don't do it on their own of course, but it can be very hard and a catch-22. For example, her own mom worked, she couldn't leave Caylee with her during the days. I'm not blaming anyone else of course, just a tragedy obviously things didn't happen that way instead of how they did. The fantasy emails from the supervisor, etc. Quite sad actually, it's obvious she wanted to be a college student and to work in event planning but didn't know how to do it for real. I also always thought the email where her fictitious boss was telling them all they needed to wear black clothes for an event must have been her way to justify shopping for the "all black party".
When I was with my son at Disney and Universal not long ago, of course there were lots of young people playing the various roles at the parks, and they were about her age, and I just kept thinking, she seems the type who should have been here playing one of these roles instead of going down the (downward spiraling) path she did, ending in such a tragedy. Though I guess playing Ariel the mermaid or whatever probably wouldn't have paid enough to support a child anyway.

 

[seagull65]

Does Universal have shots from inside the rides? At Disney they shoot you in rides like (for example) Splash Mountain. You buy the pic at the end of the ride. For reasons I'll never understand, some patrons choose to expose themselves to the camera. The photo peeps delete these pics so they can't be viewed or purchased, yet somehow...they end up on-line. We know KC was involved with some outside photo biz within Universal at some point. The peeps she was hanging out with (to whom she still claimed to have a job) said she worked from "home" on the computer doing something with the pics they sent her. Could she have made $$ selling pics of that nature or something similar. I don't think she had steady income, but it would appear that she had occasional $$ that she didn't steal.

that's a good question She was very interested in photography and had worked in one of the photo stations at Universal apparently. I never thought of this, selling them on the side or doing it freelance.

 

[costalpilot]

....... In hindsight, CA probably also knew at some level the emotional 'expense' she would incur; in fact, the cost of even threatening to sue for custody was Caylee's life. Very ironic and sad.

...



yes...


in a nutshell, she told her co-workers she couldn't afford to adopt Caylee because she didn't want to tell them she was afraid of her daughter. just re-look at their first jail house meeting...her and G. tip toed around the subject of Caylee, clearly afraid of confronting KC, and when they tried, she went ballistic and they immediately back way off.

I believe a lot of folks put major confrontations off because they don't want to deal with the emotional consequences.

 

[seagull65]

I noticed something in the latest document dump that makes me want to revisit this subject. It was in the interviews with Cindy's co-workers.

They said that Casey OFTEN come by Cindy's office to drop Caylee off when she (Casey) was "on her way to work". They said she was dressed "as if she was going to work" - whatever that means. I guess meaning not in shorts or jeans, flip-flops, etc. I believe someone said this would happen at least once per week or so.

Now, according to other information Cindy's normal work hours were usually until around 5 or 6 PM. So if Casey is dropping Caylee off at Cindy's office, it was BEFORE 5 or 6 PM, unleass Cindy was working late. And how late would Cindy be working with a 2 1/2 year old there with her?

So, was Casey going out partying and clubbing at 5 - 6 PM? Hardly, since the clubs don't get going until much later, say 9 - 10PM. And if she was going out partying, would she not need to change clothing somewhere? Work clothes are not club clothes.

This went on for TWO YEARS???? And neither George nor Cindy had ANY CLUE
that Casey did not have a job? I do NOT believe that at all!

Also, Cindy made statements to LE that Casey never was away from home overnight until right before she went "missing". Yet Ricardo stated that Casey AND Caylee stayed at his place numerous times. Wasn't that in March?

I still think Casey was "working" during those two years. I do not believe that Cindy and George fully supported all of Casey's financial needs for two years. She was getting money from somewhere and I do not believe she was stealing it for two years.

Any thoughts or input?

thanks for the thread, Always Shocked. I do still wonder, too

 

[seagull65]

well put, searchlight and costalpilot . Very sad.

 

[Ripley007]

Please tell me the background on this guy again! And who is Andy F again? I never really caught up on these particular names and I meant to. And while we have you here I might ask you about a couple others!

The only thing more disorganized than my thoughts, are my notes! I have this weird obession over taking written notes on 3x5 index cards. My desk is littered with about 100 of them. I keep telling myself that I'm going to get all my case notes organized, but it would appear that I haven't done this yet! lol
3 months ago, I thought I didn't need to rush, as I mentally remembered it all. So much has went down latelly that I find myself now confussed and forgetting lots...Can I get back to you? TIA.

 

[costalpilot]

lets say KC did the stripper, dancer thing every now and then. imo the cops would know for sure and they would have disclosed it by now due to the fl. discovery rules, no?

therefor, i don't think she did that.

(the cops would have known by folks knowing her in that capacity coming forward after she became famous...no way they don't..club workers, owners, customers...some would have come forward).

as to the hooking angle....same thing, imo, if she had done it very much. but if she only did it every now and then, maybe not...but if there were more than a few tricks, imo, the cops would know by now.

i dont think she did it, for whatever reason. could be a of of reasons.

i'm thinking she just goofed off a lot of time, with friends, new boy toys who would be more than happy to "help out" whenever.

but the parents, how could they ignore the evidence she wasn't making a regular salary? imo, they were scared of her and would tip toe around any big issue which would ignite the wall-eyed crazy daughter. eventually, they confronted her over the stealing, etc, which resulted in the big fight and Caylees departure and murder.

I point strongly to their inability to confront her in the first jail house interview as evidence of this dynamic. It was beyond strange how they avoided confrontation with her about either where Caylee was or where her body was. They were like whipped puppies, dealing with the big bad dog that day and I submit that was a real peak into their dynamic the past two years.

(sorry for the redundant opinion; i'm not that organized.).

 

[Sundance]

The only thing more disorganized than my thoughts, are my notes! I have this weird obession over taking written notes on 3x5 index cards. My desk is littered with about 100 of them. I keep telling myself that I'm going to get all my case notes organized, but it would appear that I haven't done this yet! lol
3 months ago, I thought I didn't need to rush, as I mentally remembered it all. So much has went down latelly that I find myself now confussed and forgetting lots...Can I get back to you? TIA.

Ripley007, you might need this!

http://www.levenger.com/PAGETEMPLATES/PRODUCT/Product.asp?Params=category=13-90|level=2-3|pageid=2502

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Something to think about: Nothing can explain the compromising photos, and or videos, that LE haven't released to the public (via doc dumps like the other photos already released) other tha the obvious. KC was involved in something, probably small or minutely but still something, that was yucky enough to make her father vomit. GA got sick when he saw them and explained this to LE. IMO.

 

[Simply Caustic]

She did have her HS diploma. Although she did not seem to 'walk' for her HS graduation.

She brought up her 'planning certificate' during the police interview at Universal. She told them all about it... Of course, LE later confirmed that she had never attended a class there.

I'm pretty sure she told many of her friends that she was attending college and, I believe, she told TL that she was attending Valencia. I don't know what/if GA/CA believed in RE the 'planning certificate' but going to 'night classes' would've been great cover for KC when she needed time away (and the work excuse was exhausted).

I may be wrong (it has happened once or twice)...but I recall reading that Casey did NOT receive a diploma. I am gunna go search to see where I read that...anyone know definitively? Either way thanks for replying.
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[Doodlelover]

Something to think about: Nothing can explain the compromising photos, and or videos, that LE haven't released to the public (via doc dumps like the other photos already released) other tha the obvious. KC was involved in something, probably small or minutely but still something, that was yucky enough to make her father vomit. GA got sick when he saw them and explained this to LE. IMO.

Are any of these photos or videos (other than the ones LE has) still available somewhere to view.

I hear all this talk about compromising pics and stuff and have never seen any.

Thanks

 

[Sundance]

Are any of these photos or videos (other than the ones LE has) still available somewhere to view.

I hear all this talk about compromising pics and stuff and have never seen any.

Thanks

I only have one, and it's pretty graphic. I don't know who found it, or where it came from.
Sundance