Again: Where was Casey going for two years?

[Searchfortruth]

I can't agree more with the person who posted about claiming KC on the A's tax returns. KC would need to give her parents her w-2. And if KC wouldn't give it to them for them to claim her in the last year, I'm sure at least when Caylee was born, CA insisted on claiming her because she paid for ALL of Caylee's birth and their hospital charges. CA and KC at least fought about it, I'm sure.

That's interesting I wonder how KC got around that whole thing. UGH!

And I'm sorry it would get "way exhausting" to pretend to go to work all the time for that long.

I think it really was a combination of three things. !. Kc was very good at blowing up when her parents asked question. So, they'd drop it.

2. Ga and CA didn't want her to leave and take Caylee

3. Finally, Ga and CA really had their heads in the sand, as they do now. They're just not too bright either
Ok, that's kind of FOUR things. LOL!

I think Cindy said in the depo that they didn't claim Casey or Caylee on their taxes ? I wonder if anything will come out in trial disputing her statement...I am thinking they would have claimed Caylee.

 

[MissJames]

I think Cindy said in the depo that they didn't claim Casey or Caylee on their taxes ? I wonder if anything will come out in trial disputing her statement...I am thinking they would have claimed Caylee.

I don't think you can claim a child unless you have legal custody and the child is your dependent.I'm no expert,though.

 

[MissJames]

Someone pointed out in another thread that GA told LE he knew KC didn't have a job at Sports Authority because he went there and checked.I think KC has something on him that kept him from pushing the issue . I also think that's why the A's did the flip flop after KC was arrested.
If I was a parent and found out my child was pulling a scam on me I would find ways to find out what she was really doing when she claimed to be at work.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Someone pointed out in another thread that GA told LE he knew KC didn't have a job at Sports Authority because he went there and checked.I think KC has something on him that kept him from pushing the issue . I also think that's why the A's did the flip flop after KC was arrested.
If I was a parent and found out my child was pulling a scam on me I would find ways to find out what she was really doing when she claimed to be at work.

I could never buy their story about thinking she was working. I have a daughter about that age and until recently she did live with us. Going to work was not an option for her and I knew her schuedule, what day she got paid, etc...If she was asking for money from me, I would immediately question where her paycheck went.

 

[SoSueMe]

I'm going to go along with KC going back to the house and playing on the computer; perhaps the mall; JB Park; visiting whatever boyfriend was home that particular day.

I also wonder what KC did with the $4,000 she took from the A's? Did she simply deposit it in her account and live off of it or was there something specific she used it for? It seems like her only expenses were Target clothes, gas and tattoos.

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[USARDOG]

IMO what KC had on GA was CA. When GA brought up he didn't think KC had a job, CA responded, "George, your not a detective anymore, mind your own business." That would seem to sum up how kc was able to get way with everything, CA was busy being the general, and she is seriously warped.

 

[Searchfortruth]

IMO what KC had on GA was CA. When GA brought up he didn't think KC had a job, CA responded, "George, your not a detective anymore, mind your own business." That would seem to sum up how kc was able to get way with everything, CA was busy being the general, and she is seriously warped.

You are right, pretty much everytime George was questioned as to why he didn't do something, his answer was...my wife wouldn't let me. This is what he told LE, Richard G and probably many others. I believe that Cindy was always telling him to butt out, let her handle it. She tells her supervisor she needs time off from work because George and Casey are fighting. I believe she also told the supervisor they were fighting about money when she was asked. Probably they were fighting about Casey's lack of employment. I feel sure it was an open known fact in that house that Casey was not working. There is no excuse for George not standing up to Cindy though. Casey is his daughter and he should have stepped in when needed, whether Cindy approved or not. I wonder if their seperation was more about their issues in this area than the financial problems.

 

[USARDOG]

I agree 100% with you. it is hard to discuss CA and not delve into negativity about her appearance, and her personality, I think it a major contributing factor to this tragedy. Yes kc is an adult, bla, bla, bla, but truth is, she was still a developmental child. the atmosphere in that house was toxic.

 

[USARDOG]

I don't believe for a second kc was a 'working' girl. She didn't want to do any work at all, let alone this! Besides, she would not have had to steal money if she were working, and we know she stole plenty.

i do believe she could have gone out and been a successful photographer, but it did require work so she was at a disadvantage.

 

[steadychick]

You are right, pretty much everytime George was questioned as to why he didn't do something, his answer was...my wife wouldn't let me. This is what he told LE, Richard G and probably many others. I believe that Cindy was always telling him to butt out, let her handle it. She tells her supervisor she needs time off from work because George and Casey are fighting. I believe she also told the supervisor they were fighting about money when she was asked. Probably they were fighting about Casey's lack of employment. I feel sure it was an open known fact in that house that Casey was not working. There is no excuse for George not standing up to Cindy though. Casey is his daughter and he should have stepped in when needed, whether Cindy approved or not. I wonder if their seperation was more about their issues in this area than the financial problems.

This brings to mind GA's deposition where he repeatedly tries to defend KC's monetary contributions to the family and just can't seen to be convincing that she helped out at all. Also, I think what KC had on both GA and CA was the fact that she made them feel they "owed" her because CA convinced her to have Caylee and they probably promised a lot of financial and emotional support. Their expectations of just what this meant varied between the three A's. KC appears to have believed it should go on forever. George wanted her to take more responsibility for herself and KC. CA seemed conflicted -- wanted KC to be around to care for Caylee, but for whatever reason did not want to force the financial issues, and also wanted to maintain complete control over KC's personal life and whatever decisions she tried to make about care of Caylee (granted, it appeared that KC often made some bad decisions). Truth is, good or bad decision, if KC wanted to have Caylee at a boyfriends apartment when she stayed there, that was KC's decision -- she was Caylee's parent, not CA. But CA was very strong-willed about this and other subjects when it came to care of Caylee, and KC was forced to lie/defend her decisions. JMO, not defending KC in any way, just making observations.

 

[Lisabet]

(Respectfully snipped.......................)
I don't understand G&C's lack of involvement with the daycare provider (I refuse to use the presumptuous term nanny) especially since Caylee lived with them.

I also object to the presumptuous term "Nanny". To my way of thinking a nanny is someone you hire to live in your home and to care for your children when you are outside your home. You provide room and board and a salary. Someone you take your child to, someone who is providing child care in their own home, is a BABYSITTER. But that's so typical of Casey, isn't it, to glorify everything about herself?

 

[marla]

I'm going to go along with KC going back to the house and playing on the computer; perhaps the mall; JB Park; visiting whatever boyfriend was home that particular day.

I also wonder what KC did with the $4,000 she took from the A's? Did she simply deposit it in her account and live off of it or was there something specific she used it for? It seems like her only expenses were Target clothes, gas and tattoos.

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Good question!
I wonder too, where the $$$ went .. :waitasec:

 

[steadychick]

Good question!
I wonder too, where the $$$ went .. :waitasec:

I don't think it would have taken her long to blow through $4,000 by nickle and diming. Food, snacks, a couple hundred here and there for clothes and shoes, nights on the town, beer for the gang, gas, and finally, cell phone bills. Cell phone appears to be the only bill that GA and CA made her be responsible for -- although that didn't seem to work out so well.

 

[Mystic]

I don't recall seeing any clear response for the hours Casey was suppose to be working. It would make a difference in figuring where she might be.

Casey must have been telling her friends and CA/GA different hours since the friends believed she was working. Wasn't it Amy or Annie that thought she worked from home? The friends would have caught on rather quickly if she was hanging out with them during her supposed work hours. I think she was going to the park, beach, library, shopping until GA went to work & then just head back home. I do wonder about some under the table type of work as well.

IMO, both CA & GA knew she wasn't working but GA left it in CA's hands to deal with since that must have always been the status quo. Unfortunately CA, like many parents I do see around was negligent in preparing her child for the real world. The parent has to make the choices that aren't popular but appropriate in aiding a child to become an adult, being responsible and becoming independant. CA and GA needed to make some choices earlier on. And as they failed that, CA just became the cleaner upper (after the fact) she cared for Caylee because Casey wasn't mature enough too. Possibly CA considered this just a stage and at some time Casey would snap into an adult. Not for one minute do I believe CA forced Casey to keep the child. IMO That story comes from Casey.. the Casey that told Amy they would live together as CA/GA was giving her their home.

I still say most of Casey's issues would have been solved if she just moved out. (or been booted out)

 

[Mystic]

I'm going to go along with KC going back to the house and playing on the computer; perhaps the mall; JB Park; visiting whatever boyfriend was home that particular day.

I also wonder what KC did with the $4,000 she took from the A's? Did she simply deposit it in her account and live off of it or was there something specific she used it for? It seems like her only expenses were Target clothes, gas and tattoos.

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I've been wondering the same thing about the money, was she stashing it away in some account. hmmm maybe a ZFG account she made up for her supposed escape to Cali? I just don't see many big purchases she made other then the cell phone bills.

 

[celticthyme]

For quite some time, it occurred to me that Casey may have just come home during the day when her parents were working, at least for some of the time.Children at that age usually take afternoon naps, which would leave Casey free to carry on her cyberspace life. But surely the neighbors would know if her care were there during the day.
The other issue which really still bothers me, is that if her irresponsible behavior was noticible, even in HS. Her lying & stealing became more pronounced after Caylee was born, why Cindy, as a mother, and particularly as a nurse, would not have sought help for her, boggles the mind. She's even identified her as a sociopath.
I think even Casey, somewhere deep inside of herself knew when she became pregnant that she was not capable of caring for a child, but was forced into it by Cindy, and the spiral then got out of control. She did make a cry for help to her friend by saying " she felt like she needed to get away for help," but that was never followed up on.

 

[Balthazar]

For quite some time, it occurred to me that Casey may have just come home during the day when her parents were working, at least for some of the time.Children at that age usually take afternoon naps, which would leave Casey free to carry on her cyberspace life. But surely the neighbors would know if her care were there during the day.

...edited by me, with respect.

This has bothered me too. We do know from George's interview with the FBI that there were over 1200 indiscreet photos of Casey that were found on the computer at home. The FBI agent described them as "real bad." I have wondered, since Casey was into photography, if she wasn't attempting to set up a little *advertiser censored* operation starring her. She may not have gotten far enough that she sold more than one or two of the photos (such as the one we all saw months ago.) I think she might have taken the photos and been working on them in Photoshop - realistically, most photos need some enhancement to remove imperfections. That can take up a great deal of time.

The question as to why none of the neighbors ever noticed her returning home has always puzzled me. I realize a lot of people might be working, but even so, everyone has sick days and days off, so I would think someone would have noticed it. Either that or Casey just had incredibly good luck in never being noticed coming back home after George left. But then, that's another issue - George seems to have not been employed quite a bit, so when he was off work, where did Casey go?

 

[Searchfortruth]

For quite some time, it occurred to me that Casey may have just come home during the day when her parents were working, at least for some of the time.Children at that age usually take afternoon naps, which would leave Casey free to carry on her cyberspace life. But surely the neighbors would know if her care were there during the day.
The other issue which really still bothers me, is that if her irresponsible behavior was noticible, even in HS. Her lying & stealing became more pronounced after Caylee was born, why Cindy, as a mother, and particularly as a nurse, would not have sought help for her, boggles the mind. She's even identified her as a sociopath.
I think even Casey, somewhere deep inside of herself knew when she became pregnant that she was not capable of caring for a child, but was forced into it by Cindy, and the spiral then got out of control. She did make a cry for help to her friend by saying " she felt like she needed to get away for help," but that was never followed up on.

I have trouble with the lack of action on Cindy's part too. Like you said, she even told Casey's friend that her daughter was a sociopath, that's a pretty drastic diagnosis for a mother to make. Cindy knew Casey was not right, yet she never took her to counseling. I suspect it was because Cindy knows that if Casey were to get counseling the family's dysfunction, hers included, would have to come to light. I don't think Cindy wanted that kind of help. I don't think Cindy or George could face a real look in the mirror. They are never wrong, never cop to their mistakes, oh no, counseling would not be an option. That's why George is not in counseling now, after his "suicide attempt" (there is no way he is going to counseling, IMO).

 

[Jolynna]

On the days that Casey dropped Caylee off with Cindy at around 3 she told her parents she went to work. Cindy's coworkers said Casey often wore the Universal badge. Then, sans Caylee, Casey could go hang out with friends.

While they were dating, RM says Casey was spending 4 to 5 nights a week at his place. Caylee stayed, too. Cindy thought Casey was working and staying over with Zani with Caylee. She even thought the picture of Caylee at RM's with RM's drums had been taken at Zani's and that the drums were Zani's drums. (I know Casey and RM broke up in April, but Casey and Caylee slept over, as needed, up until a week before Caylee's death. That gave Casey lots of months with a place to hang out when she said she was "working".)

Before RM, Annie says Casey and Caylee were coming over almost every afternoon.

The week before Caylee died, Casey took Caylee along with her to Tony's. Casey took Caylee to the mall to pass out fliers with Tony. On another day Casey let Caylee run around Tony's apartment to play on the balcony and let Tony's friends in. On THOSE days, Casey went to work earlier, so she could be at Tony's apartment when he got out of school.

The other days, in the week or so before Caylee died, Casey's pings show she hung around her parent's house, texting and IMing on the computer and talking on her phone. Sometimes, especially on Friday (Fusian) nights, Casey dropped Caylee off with Cindy and "went to work" until 3 a.m.

I think where Casey really "was" she said she was "working" is explained by various witness testimony, Casey's messages and Casey's pings.

 

[Bittiness39]

Maybe, without being overly critical to the parents of KC, try to imagine what it would be like to be the parents of a sociopath...I can't imagine. Not in the John Lennon sense...whatever abnormalities CA/GA have/had in that family dynamic...most people start out with marriage, white picket fence, happy life in mind...most people anyway. If I had a child that exhibited certain characteristics like that, I have no idea what I would do. None. Not a clue. I think it might be in part wanting your child to be a certain way, realizing she is not and overcompensating for it. People say CA is/was a helicopter parent...I guess if you have a sociopathic child that is one way to deal with it. What was KC doing with her time during the day...no idea...my guess is keeping up the "act" that her parents were suspicious of already...I think GA was the babysitter during the day...I think KC lied because she could and because she enjoyed it. In her mind, IMO, her parents were easy targets because what parent wants a sick and disturbed child. The more she got away with the easier it became to continue in that way. All the while, I am thinking they (GA/CA) were hoping something would click in KC and she would fall in line...but the only caveat to that is that KC never had any intention of towing the family line or in being what any parent (I imagine) would want out of their child. Ryan Paisley her friend since her days of kindergarten summed it up best and I am paraphrasing, KC was always lying. I don't think that sociopaths can be entirely blamed on parenting. Period. Yes, circumstances and dysfunction certainly contribute...but something is lacking in KC and IMO lacking from the day she was born = empathy. She doesn't have it. Doesn't get it. Doesn't feel it. I think her lies about where she was all day were in some form...pulling the wool over their eyes. I think once she closed the door to her room after a hard day of work she laughed and rolled her eyes...thinking how stupid my parents are. JMO.