AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #1

[Jersey*Girl]

I would say that is a 2 1/4" brick. Here is a coursing chart that will show how tall 25 courses of bricks with mortar will be which is 5' 6". Add another 8" for the three additional courses to make 28 courses which would make him about 6' 2" tall.

http://www.hansonbrick.com/english/pdf/coursing/standard_coursing.pdf

Great post & pretty noteworthy.

Note: Doesn't mean he's the perp but goes to show how easy it is to get an approximate height of somebody.

I'm still a little confused about something though. Samantha doesn't look 140-160. If she's 5'4 or 5'5, anything near that approximation would be overweight for her age. In the pictures that I've seen of her she doesn't appear to be heavy. Could her weight have been given by a man that may be heavy himself therefore he'd think that's skinny compared to him? I'm sorry that it confuses me but her missing person's poster should be close to accurate. If she's in-between those weights, then her face shot is deceiving & the poster should also include a full length picture as well for perspective.

 

[Knox]

Knox, how old was Samantha when she reported the assault? If she was under 18 when it happened but 18 when she started the filing, then there's a chance le could hold some culpability if they didn't follow through at the bare minimum by issuing a warning.

Samantha turned 18 on 08/30/11. She filed the petition for the protective order on 11/15/11. The hearing was scheduled for two days later (11/17/11). She did not show up the hearing and it was dismissed.
http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.docket_lst?16193451

So glad to see you here posting :seeya:

ETA- From the link bdhawk posted...
She requested the 20-day sexual assault civil protective order but, according to the file, left a hearing before the magistrate heard the matter. The order was not issued.
I wanted to clarify. It looks like she showed up, but left before the Judge heard her petition.
http://www.adn.com/2012/02/06/2303555/police-now-seeking-publics-help.html

Ok, so filing for a Civil Protective Order allows a victim who is not in a domestic relationship with the perpetrator to seek protection.

So this would be an avenue for someone who did not want to go to the police and file a report. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why she didn't do just that.
I guess it doesn't really matter at this point, or does it? Is this symptomatic of things that were going on in her life for the past couple of months?

 

[love.child]

I can often identify my friends from a block away, at night, by the way they move. People don't often deviate from their style of clothing. So if this guy was wearing a blocky Carhart coat in the video and I know a guy who always wears Carhart and moves in that certain way - it would narrow down the suspects.

I don't understand why they don't release the video.

 

[bdawk20]

I'm po'd that APD isn't releasing the surveillance. So what it doesn't easily show who the perp is BUT it does show how tall he is compared to Samantha, etc. The fact that Nancy Grace said something about his sleeve moving up & exposing caucasion skin tells me the media saw the video - just like some media saw the video of Jennifer Kesse's car being parked & the poi walking away. They didn't release it right away bc le didn't want to jeopardize the case etc. If OPD didn't wait so long to release it, then maybe somebody would have recognized something. Can't APD learn from past mistakes of different le across our country? Nancy Grace wouldn't have released the skin color if she didn't know what she was talking about. The dude is white. So how tall is he, approx weight, hoodie description - is anything on it? Is it zip or pullover? Shoes, boots or sneakers? Ballcap - is it baseball, basketball, NASCAR, golf? Is there anything on it that is distinguishable or is it just a solid color? Pants, sweats, khakis or jeans? Gloves? If so, are they leather or heavier like Thinsulate? Which way did they walk? What type of gun? Handgun I'm assuming? What mm bc cops know a gun from a mile away.

APD release the surveillance. This girl has been missing far too long now.

Since APD knows she was kidnapped at gunpoint, then they most certainly have enough to obtain a warrant to subpoena her cell ping triangulations, calls, texts, vm, Facebook, myspace, twitter, as well as other surveillance from the near block & around the corners. It's not helping the victim at all by not releasing any kind of picture derived from the surveillance.

Don't get me wrong, I watch NG all the time, but I wouldn't put it past her to have said you could see the perp's skin color and that it was white because she already had "decided" that CB is the perpetrator, and he's white. She may have been fishing to support her theory. I haven't seen anything anywhere that said you could see his skin color, so I don't know where she got that from. NG definitely has a habit at times of deciding who is guilty of something, and she doesn't want anyone telling her different or offering her information that would support a different theory.


jmo

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Don't get me wrong, I watch NG all the time, but I wouldn't put it past her to have said you could see the perp's skin color and that it was white because she already had "decided" that CB is the perpetrator, and he's white. She may have been fishing to support her theory. I haven't seen anything anywhere that said you could see his skin color, so I don't know where she got that from. NG definitely has a habit at times of deciding who is guilty of something, and she doesn't want anyone telling her different or offering her information that would support a different theory.

jmo

I would have agreed with this logic if it was a few years ago but since Jennifer Kesse's case and realizing how the media obtains these surveillance videos but don't release them according to court orders, I respectfully disagree. Also, everyone on here knows I'm not the biggest NG fan. I lost respect when the sensationalism started. I believe skin color was shown & he's caucasion. I also know that in Jennifer Kesse's case that the OPD held back the surveillance footage for a very long time and IMO definitely wasn't warranted bc they still don't know who her perp is, so holding that video didn't help their case at all. There isn't a doubt in my mind that media has some knowledge and/or footage. In many of these cases, media works with police in trying to find the victim or the perp. Going on the notion that le withholds this info bc it shows exactly who the perp is & what the perp is doing in connection to Samantha's abduction is protecting her from further harm is IMO lacking in formal training and experience. It's been awhile now since she was kidnapped. Hopefully she's still alive, but if not then le are surely screwing up without releasing this if something happens to somebody else. I guess withholding the video is like a damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of situation. My only hope is that they don't make the same mistakes as OPD by waiting forever to release it.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I can often identify my friends from a block away, at night, by the way they move. People don't often deviate from their style of clothing. So if this guy was wearing a blocky Carhart coat in the video and I know a guy who always wears Carhart and moves in that certain way - it would narrow down the suspects.

I don't understand why they don't release the video.

I totally agree.

 

[sherbetjello]

I have this case in my reader, so I haven't really commented on it at WS.

I am seriously starting to wonder whom this man is on videotape and why the would release the tape to the public.

Has anyone sleuthed up the court records on the restraining order?

 

[dillysmom11]

For some reason I thought she was 16 when she filed the protective order... I'm going to have to go back, because I swear there was something between CB and Sam when she was only 16. November is very recent and changes things a bit for me. MOO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Samantha turned 18 on 08/30/11. She filed the petition for the protective order on 11/15/11. The hearing was scheduled for two days later (11/17/11). She did not show up the hearing and it was dismissed.
http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.docket_lst?16193451

So glad to see you here posting :seeya:

Ok, so filing for a Civil Protective Order allows a victim who is not in a domestic relationship with the perpetrator to seek protection.

So this would be an avenue for someone who did not want to go to the police and file a report. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why she didn't do just that.
I guess it doesn't really matter at this point, or does it? Is this symptomatic of things that were going on in her life for the past couple of months?

Thanks Knox :blowkiss:

But...when did it occur? Could it have been ongoing at a time before she was 18 but she finally decided to ask the authorities for protection after she came of age? The wording in the document made me wonder if it happened more than once. I'm wondering if it was something that kept escalating, like maybe lewd remarks to brushing up against her to inappropriate touching to threats and so on. If so, then if le knew about it but didn't take matters into the state's hands then they'd definitely hold some culpability.

 

[dillysmom11]

Jersey*Girl, do you think it's plausible that Sam was s*xually assaulted in the video, and that is why they aren't releasing it? I don't think that's the answer as there were no signs of a struggle. But a possibility? MOO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Thank you bdawk20...

Snipped:
Common Grounds owners Tyler and Michelle Duncan said that the stand was locked up the next morning, but it was messy inside and all the cash was missing. Earlier reports that Koenig left behind her belongings at the stand were incorrect -- her purse, coat and cellphone were gone, Michelle Duncan said -- and there wasn't anything that immediately suggested an abduction, she said.

Above found at link:
http://www.adn.com/2012/02/08/2307318/police-report-some-progress-in.html


Thank you Joe Friday...

Alarm with panic button:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/08/2018331/police-report-some-progress-in.html#storylink=cpy


Thank you z560...

Link:
http://www.adn.com/2012/02/08/2307318/police-report-some-progress-in.html#storylink=cpy

Snipped:
There was no sign of a struggle, he said. Soon after, when the Duncans watched the surveillance video, they saw something that made them call police immediately, he said. The couple would not elaborate on what triggered the call but said the video was obscured somehow.

"This perpetrator took obvious and deliberate means to avoid being captured on video," Tyler Duncan said.

The abduction was apparently so stealthy that a person seen in the video, sitting in a pickup about 50 feet from the stand, didn't appear to notice anything strange, Tyler said.

"They were just oblivious," he said.


Thank you Knox... John Bacon? Seems creepy he was searching but he's an offender, wow.

Link:
http://www.ktva.com/home/top-storie...nterfere-in-Search-for-Barista-139039064.html


Thank you Fuller Malarkey...

Links on Bacon:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=42583

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/148...ffender-posing-as-doctor?clienttype=printable

http://www.offendex.com/directory/AK/B/JOHN_OLIS_BACON_435

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/149...chologist-talent-manager?clienttype=printable

 

[dillysmom11]

Thanks Knox :blowkiss:

But...when did it occur? Could it have been ongoing at a time before she was 18 but she finally decided to ask the authorities for protection after she came of age? The wording in the document made me wonder if it happened more than once. I'm wondering if it was something that kept escalating, like maybe lewd remarks to brushing up against her to inappropriate touching to threats and so on. If so, then if le knew about it but didn't take matters into the state's hands then they'd definitely hold some culpability.

Could someone please link the court dox for me? I can't do anything from my iPhone and my computer is down.

If I recall right, Sam was at CB's HOUSE when the assault occurred, so they aren't "acquaintances" as I've seen reported.

 

[dillysmom11]

Thank you for putting that all together Jersey*Girl!!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Jersey*Girl, do you think it's plausible that Sam was s*xually assaulted in the video, and that is why they aren't releasing it? I don't think that's the answer as there were no signs of a struggle. But a possibility? MOO

Don't know about sexual but I def think there was an assault of some kind bc I can't imagine le not showing the video to her father. What's that reasoning? I understand about protecting the evidence for a successful prosecution but they did say she was also captured walking with her kidnapper & it was apparent that there was a true abduction. So if she were assaulted by being kicked, stabbed or punched in the face, she was still walking and I believe her father's love would far outweigh anything else. He wants & needs his daughter found. He and her bf searched til 5:00 am according to what I've read, plus they both called her cell until it died.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I have a problem with a sex offender inserting himself into a missing person's case and then turns around and heads back to the state he resides in which isnt Alaska. They couldn't do anything to keep him there at least until he's cleared?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Have to run, date with my son hahaha but yayyy! They grow up so fast! Bbl but hoping something comes to light. This girl needs to be found!

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

I have a problem with a sex offender inserting himself into a missing person's case and then turns around and heads back to the state he resides in which isnt Alaska. They couldn't do anything to keep him there at least until he's cleared?

I understand your suspicions, however, Bacon's rap sheet shows Bacon to be about 5'-4", shorter than Samantha. Reports indicate the kidnapper is considerably taller than Sam's 5"-5" height.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=42583

 

[bdawk20]

Could someone please link the court dox for me? I can't do anything from my iPhone and my computer is down.

If I recall right, Sam was at CB's HOUSE when the assault occurred, so they aren't "acquaintances" as I've seen reported.

I don't think any of the actual court docs I've seen were that specific, but this article says she was at his house:

In the civil protective order request, filed Nov. 15, Koenig wrote that she was at Bird's Anchorage home when he tried to force himself on her. He then allegedly sexually assaulted her, she wrote.
Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/02/06/2303555/police-now-seeking-publics-help.html#storylink=cpy

 

[bdawk20]

Thanks Knox :blowkiss:

But...when did it occur? Could it have been ongoing at a time before she was 18 but she finally decided to ask the authorities for protection after she came of age? The wording in the document made me wonder if it happened more than once. I'm wondering if it was something that kept escalating, like maybe lewd remarks to brushing up against her to inappropriate touching to threats and so on. If so, then if le knew about it but didn't take matters into the state's hands then they'd definitely hold some culpability.

You probably mean because the document says "Long term sexual assault protective order", which reads like the assault was ongoing to me as well. I looked it up, though, and the "long term" seems to refer to the length of the protective order (6 months)

http://courts.alaska.gov/forms/civ-752.pdf

This is also interesting:

There are Stalking Protective Orders and Sexual Assault Protective Orders, in addition to Domestic Violence Protective Orders. To get each of these protective orders, you need to convince the court that the respondent committed specific crimes

http://courts.alaska.gov/shcdv.htm#0c

So in order to have gotten the RO to hold up, she would have needed to convince the court that the assault actually happened. If perhaps there were no witnesses, I wonder if that just overwhelmed/scared her, so she left the courthouse and the order was dropped.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

I understand your suspicions, however, Bacon's rap sheet shows Bacon to be about 5'-4", shorter than Samantha. Reports indicate the kidnapper is considerably taller than Sam's 5"-5" height.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=42583

True but we don't know how tall the oblivious person in the pickup was. Did they find and talk to that person? Sounds like an accomplice. This seems too well planned to have overlooked a pickup 50 ft away with a person sitting in it.