AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #5

[iluvmua]

Until LE names CB as a suspect I'm going to not talk about him.

I really don't think he has a connection to this case other than Sam having a RO against him which she never even showed up for and the charges were dropped.

and LE has said he is not a suspect, they investigated him and cleared him.

i think IK is the only person they are looking at.

 

[ak907]

Locate Federal inmates from 1982 to present
Name Register # Age-Race-Sex Release Date
Location
1. ISRAEL KEYES 31107-086 34-White-M 06-16-2001 RELEASED
Thanks

Old post from Psychic sleuth ^^

Maybe been covered but that says 34 in 2001 why is that?

gives current age? not the age when released? or not him?

 

[isamom]

I think that's being a little generous

Sorry But this made me laugh! Trying to catch up on posts and then saw yours about him being a singer and just started laughing!
I agree! hehe! :floorlaugh:

 

[isamom]

And I want to add that perhaps IK assumed that it was safe to use the card and thought LE would think the same thing. (Sam had just ran away and she was the one using it)

I am kinda confused on this post? Are you meaning you think IK thought SK had just ran away? Or was thinking that LE thought that?
I highly doubt this. I am almost certain IK knew she hadnt ran away and knew LE and everyone else knew the same. The only thing I can think of is he thought maybe if he used the card in a diff. state it would be tracked. Or he could use it and take off without getting caught or being found.

 

[joslmaman]

Old post from Psychic sleuth ^^

Maybe been covered but that says 34 in 2001 why is that?

gives current age? not the age when released? or not him?

I don't know..but I feel like something is up with him and who he is. I think we might find out he is a complicated individual... If he's been into fraud, that could work hand in hand with identity theft IMO. And just between the dates related to the army service/ award, the past jail stint and the races he ran we have multiple age descrepincies. Who does that? It doesn't add up.

I personally do NOT get why on earth he would use a card that belonged to her. It makes no sense. And I also can't imagine LE would be so quick to assume someone is alive based on the use of a debit or credit card. Thieves gets busted like that all the time. They would have been on that so fast. It just doesn't add up to me.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I am kinda confused on this post? Are you meaning you think IK thought SK had just ran away? Or was thinking that LE thought that?
I highly doubt this. I am almost certain IK knew she hadnt ran away and knew LE and everyone else knew the same. The only thing I can think of is he thought maybe if he used the card in a diff. state it would be tracked. Or he could use it and take off without getting caught or being found.

I believe I read that he used it in AK?

No, what I'm saying is perhaps by LE implying that they thought Sam was alive IK thought LE would assume it was only Sam using the card. Perhaps they baited the suspect to use the card by stating this?

I can't think of any way a rational person would think they could get away with using a card of a missing person otherwise? (IF it was her card they used) Or perhaps as mentioned, the card was under Daddy's name? It's entirely possible that the card wasn't in her name. But still....

 

[cluciano63]

I don't know..but I feel like something is up with him and who he is. I think we might find out he is a complicated individual... If he's been into fraud, that could work hand in hand with identity theft IMO. And just between the dates related to the army service/ award, the past jail stint and the races he ran we have multiple age descrepincies. Who does that? It doesn't add up.

I personally do NOT get why on earth he would use a card that belonged to her. It makes no sense. And I also can't imagine LE would be so quick to assume someone is alive based on the use of a debit or credit card. Thieves gets busted like that all the time. They would have been on that so fast. It just doesn't add up to me.

Unless LE was uncertain, at the time, whether or not Samantha knew him, or had perhaps arranged to meet him, before being taken...they may not have known for sure if she was in some way involved with him, and therefore might be alive with him, using her card at his orders. There were times in the investigation when it seemed as though there were doubts as to whether or not she may have known him, or the circumstances of the abduction. Just guessing...

 

[GutFeeling!]

I am kinda confused on this post? Are you meaning you think IK thought SK had just ran away? Or was thinking that LE thought that?
I highly doubt this. I am almost certain IK knew she hadnt ran away and knew LE and everyone else knew the same. The only thing I can think of is he thought maybe if he used the card in a diff. state it would be tracked. Or he could use it and take off without getting caught or being found.

I think it means that IK assumed if the card was being used that the police would think it was a runaway so he could use it.

I can't believe that either.

Firstly I don't think it is Sams card that he had - if that charge related to the abduction then it would have been sealed with everything else.

From a readers comment on one story he was in Texas for a family wedding, which I assume would have been planned well in advance. The fact they got him in Texas, to me, just shows it was the right time to nab him.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I don't know..but I feel like something is up with him and who he is. I think we might find out he is a complicated individual... If he's been into fraud, that could work hand in hand with identity theft IMO. And just between the dates related to the army service/ award, the past jail stint and the races he ran we have multiple age descrepincies. Who does that? It doesn't add up.

I personally do NOT get why on earth he would use a card that belonged to her. It makes no sense. And I also can't imagine LE would be so quick to assume someone is alive based on the use of a debit or credit card. Thieves gets busted like that all the time. They would have been on that so fast. It just doesn't add up to me.

Here's the thing...say the card gets used somewhere and LE is tracking it BUT they don't have enough at that point to decide WHO used it. They suspect it could be Sam but suspect it could be her abducter so they keep watching and waiting. They put in the media that they think Sam is alive to BAIT the person using it into thinking that LE thinksit's only Sam using it. Why on earth would someone living in Anchorage who undoubtedly knows about this case use a card with Sam or any of her relatives name on it and think they could get away with it?

 

[joslmaman]

I think it means that IK assumed if the card was being used that the police would think it was a runaway so he could use it.

I can't believe that either.

Firstly I don't think it is Sams card that he had - if that charge related to the abduction then it would have been sealed with everything else.

From a readers comment on one story he was in Texas for a family wedding, which I assume would have been planned well in advance. The fact they got him in Texas, to me, just shows it was the right time to nab him.

It's so easy for me to get lost on bunny trails with this case!!
I think you're right about the card. IMO if it was related to Sam, it would have been sealed. And I still believe if LE has her cell and purse, there's no reason to think her card would have been with her.

 

[ryanemsmom]

I am kinda confused on this post? Are you meaning you think IK thought SK had just ran away? Or was thinking that LE thought that?
I highly doubt this. I am almost certain IK knew she hadnt ran away and knew LE and everyone else knew the same. The only thing I can think of is he thought maybe if he used the card in a diff. state it would be tracked. Or he could use it and take off without getting caught or being found.

I think what they were saying is that if the card showed activity, especially out of state, a stupid criminal would think that could throw LE off the case. Oh, look, she's using her card in Texas, it must have been a runaway case after all, call off the dogs.

IMO, I don't think this is the case. I am not going to be surprised at all to find out IK was a small fish in the ocean of this case. I think that he is too smart to have stood around in a parking lot waiting for the feds to come pick him up. He waited because he knew that the card(s) were all they had on him, and I truly believe that he will cop a deal to turn over other people involved.

My opinions, my thoughts.

 

[joslmaman]

Here's the thing...say the card gets used somewhere and LE is tracking it BUT they don't have enough at that point to decide WHO used it. They suspect it could be Sam but suspect it could be her abducter so they keep watching and waiting. They put in the media that they think Sam is alive to BAIT the person using it into thinking that LE thinksit's only Sam using it. Why on earth would someone living in Anchorage who undoubtedly knows about this case use a card with Sam or any of her relatives name on it and think they could get away with it?

Ok.
Am I totally off in thinking that there would be few places you could use a cc and they couldn't view the person using it on video pretty easily? I feel like most places, if they take a card they have cameras. Wouldn't they have viewed it the first time it happened and noticed if it was or wasn't Samantha or at least a woman?...I don't know. Maybe I watch too many movies..

 

[isamom]

I think what they were saying is that if the card showed activity, especially out of state, a stupid criminal would think that could throw LE off the case. Oh, look, she's using her card in Texas, it must have been a runaway case after all, call off the dogs.

IMO, I don't think this is the case. I am not going to be surprised at all to find out IK was a small fish in the ocean of this case. I think that he is too smart to have stood around in a parking lot waiting for the feds to come pick him up. He waited because he knew that the card(s) were all they had on him, and I truly believe that he will cop a deal to turn over other people involved.

My opinions, my thoughts.

I agree in a way .... But who are the other fish??? :banghead:

 

[ak907]

I don't know..but I feel like something is up with him and who he is. I think we might find out he is a complicated individual... If he's been into fraud, that could work hand in hand with identity theft IMO. And just between the dates related to the army service/ award, the past jail stint and the races he ran we have multiple age descrepincies. Who does that? It doesn't add up.

I personally do NOT get why on earth he would use a card that belonged to her. It makes no sense. And I also can't imagine LE would be so quick to assume someone is alive based on the use of a debit or credit card. Thieves gets busted like that all the time. They would have been on that so fast. It just doesn't add up to me.

I think if it was the released age it would make more sense and put him at 43..

 

[ryanemsmom]

I agree in a way .... But who are the other fish??? :banghead:

Oh if we knew that Honestly, I feel one of two ways.

One - Sadly, she is dead, and there is no compelling reason for IK to tell LE anything. He isn't going to save a life, and copping a plea to a stolen CC charge in exchange for accessory to murder isn't going to happen.

Two - (Best outcome) Samantha was in on it, and IK doesn't know where she is now. Nothing to plea to, if the CC crime is the only one he was involved in.

IMO, there are drugs involved. The entire thing reeks of drug deal gone bad.

My opinions.

 

[ryanemsmom]

If he is 34, that puts year of birth at 1977-78. His work history on his website starts in 1995 doing construction in Washington. That would put him at 17-18 depending on the time of year and birthday, which is entirely possible. I personally believe there is more than one Israel Keyes in the US that have just enough in common they are throwing us off.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Ok.
Am I totally off in thinking that there would be few places you could use a cc and they couldn't view the person using it on video pretty easily? I feel like most places, if they take a card they have cameras. Wouldn't they have viewed it the first time it happened and noticed if it was or wasn't Samantha or at least a woman?...I don't know. Maybe I watch too many movies..

Another scenario...what if there was video and Sam was seen with him? So they weren't sure at that point what the situation was?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Remember they kept saying they had reason to believe she was alive? Now they aren't sure?

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

Could be IK did not have actual cards but lists with names and credit info. If that info is being taken from a business and passed on to someone else, it would make sense to do the actual thefts far from the scene of the crime.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think if it was the released age it would make more sense and put him at 43..

I didn't even notice the age! I'm sure the age showing would have been is age at release date and not his current age? Let me see if I can find that out on the website.