Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White, CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #3

[Bessdrewtwo]

Thanks, George. I've been around here long enough to pretty much know how things go. As I said, I had simply heard the crime spree always mentioned as Limestone County, AL where most of it occurred, so I was just a bit thrown by the whole crime spree being described by the leg of it that was in Giles County, Tennessee. A minor point though, and no biggie. Also, welcome to the forum!

Totally. It’s easy to miss portions of the discussion, which makes it harder to put the whole story together. If I had only heard the Alabama story about the ex-girlfriend, and hadn’t caught all the discussion around the Giles County part, I would be right there with you. Totally natural. I love George’s wisdom in how we can humbly approach it when this happens. I agree with Sherry. It’s great to have your voice here, George!

 

[bum4evr]

Vicky White recently purchased an AR-15 and a shotgun. That's not good. The car was found 2 hours away, I wonder if they ditched it on purpose not knowing how soon the patrol car would be found or discovered they never showed up to the courthouse. Maybe they had 2 cars to begin with or a had a couple motorcycles and helmets hidden in the bushes. The spray paint makes no sense, did they just bring one can? Maybe they wanted that car to be found quickly and the spray paint was suppose to help make that happen, and they would be heading in the other direction in a car only they knew about. Motorcycles and helmets make sense if they traveled apart and its not uncommon to leave helmet on when you get gas.

Also, some RV parks have a secure lockbox attached to the office wall or a mail slot so people can arrive late, put the money in an envelope along with your lot # and stay without ever talking to anyone. Not sure how long you could do that for though.

 

[GeorgeHardy]

Vicky White recently purchased an AR-15 and a shotgun. That's not good. The car was found 2 hours away, I wonder if they ditched it on purpose not knowing how soon the patrol car would be found or discovered they never showed up to the courthouse. Maybe they had 2 cars to begin with or a had a couple motorcycles and helmets hidden in the bushes. The spray paint makes no sense, did they just bring one can? Maybe they wanted that car to be found quickly and the spray paint was suppose to help make that happen, and they would be heading in the other direction in a car only they knew about. Motorcycles and helmets make sense if they traveled apart and its not uncommon to leave helmet on when you get gas.

Also, some RV parks have a secure lockbox attached to the office wall or a mail slot so people can arrive late, put the money in an envelope along with your lot # and stay without ever talking to anyone. Not sure how long you could do that for though.

Great point about the RV parks sometimes having lockboxes. There’s two state parks near me that are self check in if you have a state park pass.

Also, I agree that although we’ve discussed some ideas about the spray paint, they’re stabs in the dark at best. It’s definitely weird and hard to naturally gel with all the other pieces. Great post!

 

[Nah]

Vicky White recently purchased an AR-15 and a shotgun. That's not good. The car was found 2 hours away, I wonder if they ditched it on purpose not knowing how soon the patrol car would be found or discovered they never showed up to the courthouse. Maybe they had 2 cars to begin with or a had a couple motorcycles and helmets hidden in the bushes. The spray paint makes no sense, did they just bring one can? Maybe they wanted that car to be found quickly and the spray paint was suppose to help make that happen, and they would be heading in the other direction in a car only they knew about. Motorcycles and helmets make sense if they traveled apart and its not uncommon to leave helmet on when you get gas.

Be hard to carry an AR-15 and a shotgun plus supplies on motorcycles. Plus it would be challenging for Vicky to get two motorcycles and helmets and other supplies into hiding. Someone said something earlier about the simplest answers being the most likely ones, and I think that applies here. But hey anything is possible, I guess.

 

[GeorgeHardy]

Be hard to carry an AR-15 and a shotgun plus supplies on motorcycles. Plus it would be challenging for Vicky to get two motorcycles and helmets and other supplies into hiding. Someone said something earlier about the simplest answers being the most likely ones, and I think that applies here. But hey anything is possible, I guess.

I’m thinking the simplest option is either they broke down and had to find another ride to their desination/next stop. Or they had a different and less noticeable vehicle somewhere nearby. Is that how you see it?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Would take forever to cover those tattoos too.

That's what they should've used the spray paint for...

As for hiding his height, people have speculated maybe he's using a wheelchair but others have pointed out how hard that would be for her, not to mention where to access a wheelchair in the first place.

But you know what's much easier? Crutches! Most people kinda slouch when they use them, and while he'd still be tall, of course, it would put him more in that "commonly tall" category that lots of people fall into. And he can maneuver himself so it doesn't become a burden for her.

One more thought for all the newbies on the thread. Many larger cases end up with a media-only thread, no discussion allowed there, but all the news articles, LE statements, etc all in one place. If you come in late to a story and want to catch up without taking the time to read everyone's comments, read the media thread first.

When there is a media thread, it will be linked on the first page of each thread for that case. The media thread for this case is AL - AL - Casey White & Vicky Sue White, Lauderdale, MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[GeorgeHardy]

That's what they should've used the spray paint for...

As for hiding his height, people have speculated maybe he's using a wheelchair but others have pointed out how hard that would be for her, not to mention where to access a wheelchair in the first place.

But you know what's much easier? Crutches! Most people kinda slouch when they use them, and while he'd still be tall, of course, it would put him more in that "commonly tall" category that lots of people fall into. And he can maneuver himself so it doesn't become a burden for her.

One more thought for all the newbies on the thread. Many larger cases end up with a media-only thread, no discussion allowed there, but all the news articles, LE statements, etc all in one place. If you come in late to a story and want to catch up without taking the time to read everyone's comments, read the media thread first.

When there is a media thread, it will be linked on the first page of each thread for that case. The media thread for this case is AL - AL - Casey White & Vicky Sue White, Lauderdale, MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

It might take more than one bottle of spray paint to cover all that.

And I like your suggestion of using the media thread to catch up if you notice a discussion about something you’re not familiar with. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Nah]

I’m thinking the simplest option is either they broke down and had to find another ride to their desination/next stop. Or they had a different and less noticeable vehicle somewhere nearby. Is that how you see it?

Yes… I tend to think they had a hidden vehicle packed with stuff and ditched the crazy orange SUV. They would have been awfully conspicuous trying to load their mini arsenal into a carjacked car so I’m guessing it was nicely hidden somewhere. Or even in plain sight away from cameras.

 

[BeckyF]

The lingerie along with the sex toys she bought have been made public knowledge. It’s just something else she will be known for in this story of stories. Trust me, your tact is appreciated as they both are being massacred elsewhere on social media.

Including here.

 

[GeorgeHardy]

Yes… I tend to think they had a hidden vehicle packed with stuff and ditched the crazy orange SUV. They would have been awfully conspicuous trying to load their mini arsenal into a carjacked car so I’m guessing it was nicely hidden somewhere. Or even in plain sight away from cameras.

It’s funny we develop all these elaborate theories and then someone like you cuts through it all and is like, hey, it could just be sitting in plain sight. Not necessarily even a need to hide it. After all no one even knew a second vehicle existed yet if it did.

 

[bum4evr]

If they truly broke down, I think it would be too risky to walk down the street without being noticed, and no guarantee the AR-15 and shotgun were with them, could be at their camping spot she might have picked out for them earlier. Worst case scenario: They took to the woods for a few hours and found a rural house where someone lives alone and tied them up and took their car and forced them to drive, I hope not because those usually don't end well. Or their IN a house and have someone hostage. Cops should be checking for that possibility but they can only go so far.

I bet they are in a big tent in the woods somewhere eating candy bars and waiting for things to die down. I wonder if the national headlines surprised them, many escapes don't go national.

 

[Yvettea]

Hopefully they are not acquiring hero status.

 

[GeorgeHardy]

If they truly broke down, I think it would be too risky to walk down the street without being noticed, and no guarantee the AR-15 and shotgun were with them, could be at their camping spot she might have picked out for them earlier. Worst case scenario: They took to the woods for a few hours and found a rural house where someone lives alone and tied them up and took their car and forced them to drive, I hope not because those usually don't end well. Or their IN a house and have someone hostage. Cops should be checking for that possibility but they can only go so far.

I bet they are in a big tent in the woods somewhere eating candy bars and waiting for things to die down. I wonder if the national headlines surprised them, many escapes don't go national.

I hope they don’t or haven’t taken a hostage. :0 Also, interesting point about national attention. Do you think that the reason it got thrown into the limelight was bc a corrections officer was involved?

 

[bum4evr]

I hope they don’t or haven’t taken a hostage. :0 Also, interesting point about national attention. Do you think that the reason it got thrown into the limelight was bc a corrections officer was involved?

I think "guard falls in love with inmate" stories are so rare its fascinating.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I keep thinking carjacking because of how the SUV was left in the road, like a vehicle approached and they suddenly thought "let's take that vehicle". Not likely to end well for the innocent driver.

But it also seems possible that they stole a vehicle from one of the nearby homes, without harming anyone. Maybe occupants weren't even home at the time.

Or stole a vehicle earlier, drove both vehicles into rural area, transferred everything out of SUV and proceeded on.

Hopefully LE has all stolen vehicles reports from the general area on alert in case one turns out to be them.

 

[OneLove]

I wanted to throw this out. At one time there was what's called Lavender Marriages, which were marriages of convenience to hide sexual orientation. I'm mentioning this in that it's possible VW engaged in what I'll call a Lavender Divorce as I find it quite curious she continued to live with her ex-husband for almost two decades after the 'divorce,' but she could have a very good reason to appear divorced from him...back then she was a rookie cop, so for work she had to appear disapproving. Southern Brotherhood - which CW belonged - is a racist prison gang that drug deals on the outside, where she could have known CW through her 'ex' husband with his drug use. I think it's likely she's had gang ties since before she got hired and depending on how much of a double life she led, she could have for instance been a long-term associate of Southern Brotherhood doing stuff and smuggling things for them in the jail. It's possible that her ex himself supported her running off with CW and he could have known CW personally and well, which he was likely alive when VW was plotting all this. I think there really had to be some kind of understanding by criminal outsiders with VW where they didn't just gun her down and weren't afraid of getting busted for dealing drugs to her ex as otherwise it seems a very dangerous situation to be in with a cop and a druggie unless the cop is a known crooked cop. What exactly has she been doing the last 16 years while living with her drug-using ex? I'd imagine it would be awfully hard to find someone else unless she wasn't looking because she actually was still with her ex. Think about it - she supposedly divorced her husband over drugs, yet she busts a meth-head out of prison...maybe she wasn't as disapproving of drugs and drug-users as she appears.

Yeah...
It's been published that there was very high turnover of employees especially in the previous 7 years since she'd been in her supervisory position. If employees ever saw questionable conduct in her, they may have been chased out or even scared out if she was trafficking drugs to inmates. We know that *someone* always manages to get drugs to the inside of jails & prisons. Since she stayed with her druggie ex all those years, & since that area is a close community, did her ex know CW & coach VW in developing a "relationship" with him for drug trafficking purposes? Did her ex tell her CW would have valuable information & contacts he & VW could use on the outside? Did CW then take advantage of the opportunity to manipulate VW into springing him? With a huge network of his drug dealing white supremacist gang on the outside, they could have plenty of help on the outside with concealment abt anywhere in the nation but especially in deep supremacist areas.They may have decided to make tons of cash w/drug dealing far away from Alabama where news of their jailbreak isn't carried on local non-cable TV & but also where they'd be legendary heroes if ppl did know of them. Was VW known to follow news? Did her mother watch cable news networks? What shows were they known to favor?

 

[OneLove]

Regarding the possibility of them moving around in a RV. I don't think this is realistically possible right now. Rv's are usually gas guzzlers and the price of gas right now is quite expensive. In addition this would require stops at gas stations. Gas stations are full of CCTV cameras. They would also need refills of potable water as well as to dump their waste. Add to that battery/generator/electric power sources.

IMO, not a good short term option for them. They need to be off the grid for a while to remain undetected. I do though believe they feel the need to be connected to the internet so they know if LE is on their trail. That is probably why the public will not get much meaningful information until they are apprehended.

My current theory is a remote piece of land in an area CW feels comfortable in. By comfortable, I mean he would know how to live off the land. Fishing, hunting and access to water (potable).

All just JMO, IMO, etc.

ETA - and occasional access to internet/cell phone service.

Although it's not the *ideal* way to RV, even my smallish rv has enough fresh water, grey water, & black water tank capacity to make it from one side of the continent to the other w/o dumping or refilling if I'm not wasteful. If a 3rd party were driving, CW & VW would never even have to exit the rv or be seen on any security cameras ever at any gas stops. We know she planned in advance, so I doubt money for gas to get to a distant state & hook up at a safe haven like at a gang member's house would be an issue. Once there, they're in their own self contained "tiny home" on wheels. I think this mode of escape carries the greatest likelihood of success.

 

[MassGuy]

I think "guard falls in love with inmate" stories are so rare its fascinating.

Yup, it's the escape too obviously, especially considering how dangerous this guy is.

I imagine that relationships like this are far more common than we know, yet they almost never end like this.

Then you have the additional oddities that she was so close to retirement, and also went on the run with him.

Joyce Mitchell facilitated that escape, but she wisely decided not to go with them. Vicky is in an incredibly precarious position right now.

 

[OneLove]

If they truly broke down, I think it would be too risky to walk down the street without being noticed, and no guarantee the AR-15 and shotgun were with them, could be at their camping spot she might have picked out for them earlier. Worst case scenario: They took to the woods for a few hours and found a rural house where someone lives alone and tied them up and took their car and forced them to drive, I hope not because those usually don't end well. Or their IN a house and have someone hostage. Cops should be checking for that possibility but they can only go so far.

I bet they are in a big tent in the woods somewhere eating candy bars and waiting for things to die down. I wonder if the national headlines surprised them, many escapes don't go national.

Their weapons, along with clothing, food, drink, <modsnip> could all have been preloaded into an rv & just waiting for the hookup. A 3rd party driver could give them total cover until they reached a protected semi-longterm prearranged hookup.

 

[Diogenetic]

I doubt they are out of the country. Yes there are a fair amount of American retired expats in Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean, but it would not be easy for a fugitive couple that isn't experienced. Even in those places you have to cough up your passport for something once a month. $90K is not a lot of money to be living on and bribing. Fugitives go, if able with the familiar. It is probably safer in the US for them.
And really I doubt there is a "them." Unfortunately for the corrections officer, the escaped con has both a history of severe violence toward women AND several perfectly rational reasons to kill her. Among the latter would be that that the height difference alone makes them stand out as a couple, and 90K will last considerably longer for one person.