Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019

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On their FB page, the Tin Roof is answering surveillance video questions from posters.
I won''t copy/paste because not sure if I am allowed to.
Here is the link to their page. My apologies if not allowed to provide this on here. I just reread the rules and looks like it should be OK.
 
Regarding the video not being released ... I'm thinking that LE has already identified the men PH left with and possibly they have alibis. So LE doesn't need the public's help in identifying the men. I can understand that but I still think that video could jog someone's memory who was in the area that night. Did someone see her later in a different area? Was there someone else PH was with besides the men on the video? The video could even be released with the men's faces obscured. It's odd that LE is saying they don't have leads but not allowing the public to help. MOO
 
lmr said:
"Do you we know how long Paighton has been sober? Was this her first holiday season and was it normal for her to go to a neighborhood bar? Trying to get some sort of idea about her. Thanks."

I have not been able to find any details about her history of recovery/relapse. Whether she frequents bars....who knows? But this is a small town. If she were a regular at this particular bar, I think we would be hearing a very different narrative from LE.
That being said, so often in adult missing person cases they do not involve fowl play.
Given the length of the investigation and the lack of transparency with the public, I'm leaning towards that being the case here. My heart breaks for this family.
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The Tin Roof is not in a small town, it is located in Birmingham in the Lakeview area. Trussville, which is northeast of Birmingham, is a small town and is located about 20 miles northeast of the Tin Roof, although I don't know the exact distance.
 
IMO there could be a lot of questions answered by watching the video surveillance. Why no information about that has been released is questionable. Is the surveillance not helpful? Could they not get a clear image? Were they even working? I used to manage a bar and whenever there was an altercation where police were involved, that was the first order of business; video footage. My only thought is, it wasnt helpful to the investigatiom or they are still trying to track down the perpetrators but they were not regulars to that bar.
 
How did Paighton get to the bar in the first place? No mention of her driving a car; I'm assuming she drove there with the friend to whom she later texted? A lot of assumptions here, to be sure, but another one is this: Was she accompanied to the bar by only this one friend, or were there others? She comes from Trussville which is 20 miles away. Seems like a fairly long distance to travel to have drinks, but I guess that's beside the point really.

I keep coming back to the fact that her ATM card has not been used. Let's face it. If she did go on a drug binge it's hard to believe there would be someone so generous as to buy them for her over an extended period of time. Also, wouldn't she need money to eat?
 
SaucyWalker said:
How did Paighton get to the bar in the first place? No mention of her driving a car; I'm assuming she drove there with the friend to whom she later texted? A lot of assumptions here, to be sure, but another one is this: Was she accompanied to the bar by only this one friend, or were there others? She comes from Trussville which is 20 miles away. Seems like a fairly long distance to travel to have drinks, but I guess that's beside the point really.

I keep coming back to the fact that her ATM card has not been used. Let's face it. If she did go on a drug binge it's hard to believe there would be someone so generous as to buy them for her over an extended period of time. Also, wouldn't she need money to eat?
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The fact that her atm card has not beed used and that her cellphone has been inactive tells us one thing for sure. She no longer has those items in her posession.
 
It appears the "missing person" status is why video and personal information about PH is being withheld.

According to WBRC/News 6 video -- there's no indication of a crime committed and the case is still being investigated as a "missing person" investigation.

I understand the desire to protect PH's privacy but I also think it would benefit the search effort if family/LE/media would share that PH was recently in recovery for heroin addiction.

Everybody wants to know why PH would willingly leave the bar 15 minutes after the band started, and more than an hour later send a SOS text to her friend (that stayed at the bar) that she may be in trouble and to pick up the phone if she called. I don't think the friend and/or co-workers wanted to go where PH was headed.

Hoping the best for this girl and her family and friends that love her.

MOO
 
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Seattle1 said:
It appears the "missing person" status is why video and personal information about PH is being withheld.

According to WBRC/News 6 video -- there's no indication of a crime committed and the case is still being investigated as a "missing person" investigation.

I understand the desire to protect PH's privacy but I also think it would benefit the search effort if family/LE/media would share that PH was recently in recovery for heroin addiction.

Everybody wants to know why PH would willingly leave the bar 15 minutes after the band started, and more than an hour later send a SOS text to her friend (that stayed at the bar) that she may be in trouble and to pick up the phone if she calls. I don't think the friend and/or co-workers wanted to go where PH was headed.

Hoping the best for this girl and her family and friends that love her.

MOO
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I agree, that information does explain her leaving, a possible disagreement with a friend, etc. It does help to paint a picture of how these events could transpire. And also as to what could have happened afterwards.

*Trying not to speculate -____-*
 
Seattle1 said:
It appears the "missing person" status is why video and personal information about PH is being withheld.

According to WBRC/News 6 video -- there's no indication of a crime committed and the case is still being investigated as a "missing person" investigation.

I understand the desire to protect PH's privacy but I also think it would benefit the search effort if family/LE/media would share that PH was recently in recovery for heroin addiction.

Everybody wants to know why PH would willingly leave the bar 15 minutes after the band started, and more than an hour later send a SOS text to her friend (that stayed at the bar) that she may be in trouble and to pick up the phone if she calls. I don't think the friend and/or co-workers wanted to go where PH was headed.

Hoping the best for this girl and her family and friends that love her.

MOO
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The only reason to leave the bar would be to score drugs, then she realized that she was in trouble and texted a friend?
 
michellefultzyahoo.com said:
Hows it not criminal? Shes missing
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While I don't think PH is voluntarily missing after 9 days, we know the process too well.

I'm sure LE already told her family that PH is an adult and exercising her right to disappear is not a criminal act. There's also no evidence she left the Tin Roof unwillingly. She never placed the "phone call" she texted about. Her alleged drug history makes her high risk to go missing, etc..
 
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SaucyWalker said:
How did Paighton get to the bar in the first place? No mention of her driving a car; I'm assuming she drove there with the friend to whom she later texted? A lot of assumptions here, to be sure, but another one is this: Was she accompanied to the bar by only this one friend, or were there others? She comes from Trussville which is 20 miles away. Seems like a fairly long distance to travel to have drinks, but I guess that's beside the point really.

I keep coming back to the fact that her ATM card has not been used. Let's face it. If she did go on a drug binge it's hard to believe there would be someone so generous as to buy them for her over an extended period of time. Also, wouldn't she need money to eat?
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Charlaine Houston, Paighton's mother, states on her FB page about "the co-worker she rode with to the Tin Roof bar" . She goes on to describe the text message sent asking her to please answer if she calls.
 
bhammom said:
I suspect the reason police are not releasing the video is there is no point. Tin Roof at the very beginning said there were off-duty police at the club. It is possible that the two African-American men were either security, bouncers or off duty police and escorted her out the door. Her ATM card was found on the floor near the bar and it was reported she had a disagreement/argument with her friend/co-worker. Sorry, these may have been reported on FB and not allowed. In any case. if Paighton was disruptive she may have been escorted out the door and the two men would have just turned around and come back in. If this is the case, she may have been wandering outside and been picked up by anyone who promised her a ride. We actually may never know where she went or what happened to her. IMHO!
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But, the way the owner or manager of the Tin Roof spoke it was like he didn't recognize the individuals as being his bouncers or off duty officers and HE is one of the individuals asking for the tapes to be released to the public. He can't do it himself because if he does he gets nailed with obstruction of justice charges.
Somethin smells fishy and it isn't the fish fry's down in AL. When the owner of the establishment is basically sayin "there's an issue" then somethin isn't right. And what about all the other cameras in the area? That looks to be a high traffic spot with lots of businesses around. Don't they have security camera's around their businesses that could have caught something?
For an entire PD to say "we still have nothing" a week after a disappearance, even AFTER they have video of who she was last seen with, the PD could have came out and said "Those were two of our officers working off duty that night, they escorted her to x spot and she met with y individual with z description and vehicle" and yet they have NOTHING. They aren't saying it's an off duty or any of that. IF it was an off duty you would think they would have advised the parents of this at least so that they stop saying what was seen at the bar last. At least that's My opinion and also what a RESPONSIBLE police dept would do if that was the case.
 
What happened to the post on here that showed a comment from (presumably) LE wherein he/she explains the reasons for not revealing all they know to the public. Among the reasons were:
Facts become distorted just as gossip changes in its content as it passes from one source to another;
The perps and their friends/associates are most likely watching, reading and listening to every detail that comes forth about the case;
If too much is revealed about LE's investigation the parties who are responsible for PH's disappearance may burn/destroy critical evidence;
The person who wrote the comment said that he/she had been working 70-some hours on this case and assured the public that the investigation has been ongoing, non-stop.

There may have been other points stated. If anyone here can recall anything else please post. Perhaps the original poster could put those comments back up again? Maybe they're still here somewhere, but I couldn't locate them. Thanks!
 
Seattle1 said:
While I don't think PH is voluntarily missing after 9 days, we know process too well.

I'm sure LE already told her family that PH is an adult and exercising her right to disappear is not a criminal act. There's also no evidence she left the Tin Roof unwillingly. She never placed the "phone call" she texted about. Her alleged drug history makes her high risk to go missing, etc..
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She may not have gotten the chance to make that phone call. Whomever she was with could have seen her with her phone and removed it from her possession. There have been a lot of cases where a person has been kidnapped and rather than hiding their phone they had it in the open and it was removed from their person. She could have unwillingly but willingly left the bar with the 2 individuals. ex "If you make a scene you will regret it" type situation. She could have been in panic mode on the inside but just fine looking on the outside, however if her parents were allowed to see the video they would know best as they know her body language. Just because someone has had a drug history in the past, one that almost killed her, who is to say she still has one. We don't know if she was clean and if she was, for how long.
 
SaucyWalker said:
What happened to the post on here that showed a comment from (presumably) LE wherein he/she explains the reasons for not revealing all they know to the public. Among the reasons were:
Facts become distorted just as gossip changes in its content as it passes from one source to another;
The perps and their friends/associates are most likely watching, reading and listening to every detail that comes forth about the case;
If too much is revealed about LE's investigation the parties who are responsible for PH's disappearance may burn/destroy critical evidence;
The person who wrote the comment said that he/she had been working 70-some hours on this case and assured the public that the investigation has been ongoing, non-stop.

There may have been other points stated. If anyone here can recall anything else please post. Perhaps the original poster could put those comments back up again? Maybe they're still here somewhere, but I couldn't locate them. Thanks!
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If the post no longer here then it was most likely deleted by WS moderator. WS is a facts-based forum and only links from MSM verifiable sources are allowed (excludes FB comments).
 
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