Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #3

[10ofRods]

True, he didn’t totally lose it. That took some restraint.

My husband's was response is that he also showed no remorse. We both get ill just thinking about what happened on that set. We get upset if a Cooper's Hawk breaks his wing or neck in our yard and we feel awful for days.

I guess everyone is different. He didn't totally lose it, but Alec gave every impression that he could become hostile over "the death of his friend," and he never said the words I wanted to hear (and which many people would have said).

 

[katydid23]

As a producer on the film, AB deserves some responsibility for the negligent, unsafe practices surrounding the firearms on the set.

I know someone falsely told him it was a cold gun. And if he had been on a normal, union based production, following standard safety protocol, with an experienced armourist, he could have accepted that 'cold' gun for what it is, and pointed it at the crew.

But as an experienced actor, and as producer on this film, he should have recognised the current chaos and lack of experience surrounding him. Did he not know the firearms were sitting out, untended, while he was at lunch?

The first rule of firearm safety, NEVER point a weapon unless you personally have checked to see if it is unloaded.

 

[10ofRods]

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Yeah - that was the impression here at our house. Why be out in public at all, at this point? At a known vacation venue...it just doesn't give the right impression even if your game plan is to pretty much ignore what happened as much as you can.

Stay indoors, don't talk to media. Of course, the Baldwins are probably a bit worried right now. Will the film resume? The more "normal" Alec appears, he probably thinks it's possible they'll start production again - I think he has quite a bit of money in this one, as I can't find a producer's name who has more money - and some of the production companies have very young, barely-out-of-high school/college personnel associated with them - which is fine, but they don't have deep pockets and surely cannot be the ones responsible for overall choice of day-t0-day producers. Someone on that set had to be the Buck Stops Here person (and it's not usually the director, it's a producer).

 

[tara83]

My husband's was response is that he also showed no remorse. We both get ill just thinking about what happened on that set. We get upset if a Cooper's Hawk breaks his wing or neck in our yard and we feel awful for days.

I guess everyone is different. He didn't totally lose it, but Alec gave every impression that he could become hostile over "the death of his friend," and he never said the words I wanted to hear (and which many people would have said).

I don't know what people want from him.She was a friend and he's obviously upset.If he had cried and carried on people would have knocked him and said he made it about himself.He's in a no win situation no matter what he does.

 

[SuziQ]

Yes, AB has a "right" to go out to dinner. That being said, maybe ordering in would have been the better plan for the next few weeks. This case is very high profile right now.

It also seems somewhat callous and offensive to be enjoying a vacation with family after killing someone. Even accidentally.

I think it is okay to be out rather than sitting around. I haven't heard of him doing anything like going to a party or concert. It seems they are wandering around staying busy.

Heck, when my husband died unexpectedly, I had to go shopping at the mall and buy a suit. After, five of us walked the mall for a long time because it too sad to go home. We ate out everyday because non of us felt like cooking. And again it was hard to be at home. Too sad.

 

[Arkay]

True, he didn’t totally lose it. That took some restraint.

My impression is that this isn't a vacation, it was an attempt to ward off the press by going to a remote area. It does irk me that he can afford to shut down a whole restaurant when other customers may have wanted to go, but he earned his money. I imagine he has been answering LE questions for a week now and is trying to escape the public and media asking him more.

I think he figured if he acquiesced this once and answered some questions from the press, he and his family would get some privacy now.

I also thought at first that Hilaria was a reporter, just by the way she was filming him and how he said “excuse me” to her and waved her off. But I agree he knows that he can finesse the media better than she can and wanted to control the narrative.

I’m not a fan of AB as a person, although I think he’s an excellent actor. But those bags under his eyes are real. He probably hasn’t slept and maybe has done a lot of crying. I believe he’s aching over killing Halyna and also knows he has everything to lose right now.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Conflict with crew is pretty typical. Different personality types. Many Prima Donnas. A lot of drama. So it could be the situation was viewed as just another day at work.

Moo.

Workers walking off the film because they are not being paid---that does not mean they are prima donnas, in my opinion.

The workers who stay and replace the walk outs, under those conditions are usually inexperienced and hoping to break into the business.

I don't see it like just another day at work. Anyone working on a union, SAG production would not see that situation as just another day at work. A competent crew would have NEVER handed the actor a hot gun. NEVER.

 

[SuziQ]

As a producer on the film, AB deserves some responsibility for the negligent, unsafe practices surrounding the firearms on the set.

I know someone falsely told him it was a cold gun. And if he had been on a normal, union based production, following standard safety protocol, with an experienced armourist, he could have accepted that 'cold' gun for what it is, and pointed it at the crew.

But as an experienced actor, and as producer on this film, he should have recognised the current chaos and lack of experience surrounding him. Did he not know the firearms were sitting out, untended, while he was at lunch?

The first rule of firearm safety, NEVER point a weapon unless you personally have checked to see if it is unloaded.

I believe the guns were locked up during lunch.

 

[jjenny]

I believe the guns were locked up during lunch.

Yep, HGR claims guns were locked up in a safe during lunch.

 

[katydid23]

I believe the guns were locked up during lunch.

I have read reports which said otherwise. I'll see if I can find any.

ETA: I stand corrected. The weapons were not unsecured, it was the AMMO that was left unsecured on the set. Which may have been a costly mistake in itself.

 

[jjenny]

I have read reports which said otherwise. I'll see if I can find any.

The armorer herself claims that guns were locked up during lunch.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, dummies have BB's that rattle, blanks have stripes across the bottom and, of course, are pinched together at the top with no bullet.

Not all dummies have BB's that rattle. Dummies have different ways to distinguish them from real bullets. I still don't get why HGR claims she didn't know there was live ammon on the set. It's her job to know what kind of ammo is on the set. Yet she claims she wasn't even aware. What gives?

 

[JaneEyre]

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Yeah - that was the impression here at our house. Why be out in public at all, at this point? At a known vacation venue...it just doesn't give the right impression even if your game plan is to pretty much ignore what happened as much as you can.

Stay indoors, don't talk to media. Of course, the Baldwins are probably a bit worried right now. Will the film resume? The more "normal" Alec appears, he probably thinks it's possible they'll start production again - I think he has quite a bit of money in this one, as I can't find a producer's name who has more money - and some of the production companies have very young, barely-out-of-high school/college personnel associated with them - which is fine, but they don't have deep pockets and surely cannot be the ones responsible for overall choice of day-t0-day producers. Someone on that set had to be the Buck Stops Here person (and it's not usually the director, it's a producer).

Did you watch the video? He said he's not continuing that film.

 

[katydid23]

Here is what I was referring to:
Sheriff: Movie set showed 'some complacency' with weapons

The armorer on the Baldwin film, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, said she checked dummy bullets on the day of the shooting to ensure that none were “hot” rounds. She also told a detective that while the guns used for filming were locked up during a crew lunch break, ammunition was left on a cart unsecured, according to a search warrant released Wednesday ahead of the news conference.

Gutierrez Reed told a detective that no live ammo was ever kept on the set.

When reached Wednesday by The Associated Press, she declined to comment. She said Monday by text message that she was looking for a lawyer.


Also:

Assistant director David Halls, who handed the gun to Baldwin before the shooting, said Gutierrez Reed typically opened the hatch of the gun and spun the drum, though he couldn’t recall if she did that before the shooting. He said he only remembered seeing three rounds in the gun, according to the warrant.

After the shooting, Halls took the gun to Gutierrez and said he saw five rounds in the gun, at least four of them were dummy rounds indicated by a hole on the side and a cap on the round. Halls said there was also a casing in the gun that did not have the cap and did not have the hole indicating it was a dummy, the warrant said.

MOST IMPORTANT:

Mike Tristano, a veteran armorer, or movie weapons specialist, was alarmed to hear that live rounds were mixed in with blanks and dummy rounds.

“I find that appalling,” Tristano said. “In over 600 films and TV shows that I’ve done, we’ve never had a live round on set.”

The shooting has baffled Hollywood professionals and prompted calls to better regulate firearms on sets or even ban them in the age of seamless computer-generated imagery. Court records say that an assistant director grabbed the gun from a cart and indicated the weapon was safe by yelling “cold gun.”

 

[JaneEyre]

I don't know what people want from him.She was a friend and he's obviously upset.If he had cried and carried on people would have knocked him and said he made it about himself.He's in a no win situation no matter what he does.

Yes. I empathize, as many others do. I hope if I am ever involved in something soul crushing like this, I will find more people who empathize than those who must find fault.

 

[katydid23]

The armorer herself claims that guns were locked up during lunch.

Right, my mistake. It was the ammo that was left out, unsecured during lunch. And it was live ammo that was the fatal error.

 

[JaneEyre]

I think it is okay to be out rather than sitting around. I haven't heard of him doing anything like going to a party or concert. It seems they are wandering around staying busy.

Heck, when my husband died unexpectedly, I had to go shopping at the mall and buy a suit. After, five of us walked the mall for a long time because it too sad to go home. We ate out everyday because non of us felt like cooking. And again it was hard to be at home. Too sad.

I was thinking this is what a therapist would recommend, rather than, "stay at home, order in, do not let yourself see any beauty around you, and sure, go ahead and make your children suffer all that, too. Do nothing normal at all so that your kids can feel your sadness as well."

 

[SuziQ]

Workers walking off the film because they are not being paid---that does not mean they are prima donnas, in my opinion.

The workers who stay and replace the walk outs, under those conditions are usually inexperienced and hoping to break into the business.

I don't see it like just another day at work. Anyone working on a union, SAG production would not see that situation as just another day at work. A competent crew would have NEVER handed the actor a hot gun. NEVER.

I never said the crew that walked off this film were prima donnas. I was talking about sets in general. Crew, actors, directors, gaffers, grips, make up, props, etc, etc. That's a lot of drama packed in. People walking off sets over disputes happens. I have seen it. Until this tragedy happened, they may have thought it was another day at work. And we don't even know if the crew walking off contributed to the shooting or not. Maybe so. We don't know yet.

Moo.

 

[Luna20]

Yep, HGR claims guns were locked up in a safe during lunch.

We haven’t heard from Sarah the prop master yet. Iirc HGR said that Sarah also handled the guns. I want to know who took the gun to the tray and loaded it. Was it already loaded in the safe?

 

[katydid23]

I don't know what people want from him.She was a friend and he's obviously upset.If he had cried and carried on people would have knocked him and said he made it about himself.He's in a no win situation no matter what he does.

I know what I would want to hear from him, although his attorneys would never allow it. But I would want to hear an apology or an acknowledgement that it was wrong to put money over safety concerns. Workers walked off the set that day because of that issue.

There is no excuse for a live round to be mixed in with blanks, and end up in a gun, set on the prop table as 'cold' and ready to bar used on set. That is the fault of the producers. And AB is one of the producers who was trying to go super low budget, which compromised safety.

Three of my immediate family members make their living working on film sets. Safety Protocol is a big concern for them. Rust is an example of a nightmare scenario where safety was ignored so they could save money. And it was a lethal mistake.