Greece American tourist a retired cop, 59, not returned from a solo hike, Amorgos Island, 11 June 24

[FoxxTraxx]

Apparently more volunteers are coming from the US.

I found a FB message that the new volunteers have arrived after a 30 hour journey from the US. Since it is already early evening in Greece they probably won't search much until tomorrow morning - June 22.

 

[GTB72]

Apart from his brother, at least two people involved in the search are posting on fb (a Greek friend and a SAR member returning home). Apparently more volunteers are coming from the US.

That's encouraging that they are still trying their hearts out to find Albert.

 

[Herat]

It would really be good if some of their volunteers spoke and read Greek very well.

 

[indicolite22]

It would really be good if some of their volunteers spoke and read Greek very well.

His friend is Greek. Here he is being interviewed on TV a couple of days ago:

Among other things, he is complaining about the Greek privacy laws that do not allow for disclosure of phone pings. He also describes the (in his view modest) response of Greek authorities.
He is posting in the Amorgos fb group.

 

[GTB72]

It would really be good if some of their volunteers spoke and read Greek very well.

Indeed. Let's hope that is in fact the case.

 

[Herat]

His friend is Greek. Here he is being interviewed on TV a couple of days ago:

Among other things, he is complaining about the Greek privacy laws that do not allow for disclosure of phone pings. He also describes the (in his view modest) response of Greek authorities.

ARRRGH

It's all Greek to me

Can anyone please tell us all of what he is saying?

Ohh - that map shown in the video shows two waypoints, possibly of his phone pings? It's a pretty simple outline and the dots are kinda vague. The most southernly one is indeed in the general area that appears NW of Choros to me, the two churches on the NW of Choros, Church of Panagia and Chapel of Archangel Michael or maybe the Church of St. Barbara or St. George or thereabous, then it turns northwest where the last point is, maybe that very indistinct Choros- Xylokeratidis trail I can see on the Google map. This might, indeed, be very significant. I don't really get where the video of the seaside road is, other than near Xylokeratidis or Kapatola.

Clearly, the friend is discussing the map and the cellphone information. It seems to be quite a discussion. Wish it was translated into English for us monolingual Anglophones.

 

[indicolite22]

ARRRGH

It's all Greek to me

Can anyone please tell us all of what he is saying?

I used subtitles.

 

[GTB72]

His friend is Greek. Here he is being interviewed on TV a couple of days ago:

Among other things, he is complaining about the Greek privacy laws that do not allow for disclosure of phone pings. He also describes the (in his view modest) response of Greek authorities.

Bbm

In what sense can't they be disclosed? We know Jay Slater's phone pings are in the media. Lucy Law has disclosed them. Surely if EAC has sent pings, then friends and family would have mentioned this. Why would it have anything to do with the Greek authorities? Apologies in advance if I am misreading your post and its meaning.

 

[GTB72]

I used subtitles.

Ebm -spelling
Would you care to adumbrate the gist?

 

[Cedars]

Bbm

In what sense can't they be disclosed? We know Jay Slater's phone pings are in the media. Lucy Law has disclosed them. Surely if EAC has sent pings, then friends and family would have mentioned this. Why would it have anything to do with the Greek authorities? Apologies in advance if I am misreading your post and its meaning.

Are the pings in the Slater case from his phone to hers? Or Apple ID or something?

Because in the US, cell companies will not release a potentially living person's pings except to police with a search warrant.

JMO

ETA: and I doubt the laws are specific to Greece, IMO they'd be EU rules.

 

[Herat]

Ebm -spelling
Would you care to adumbrate the gist?

Hahahahahahaha

EXACTLY

 

[GTB72]

Are the pings in the Slater case from his phone to hers? Or Apple ID or something?

Because in the US, cell companies will not release a potentially living person's pings except to police with a search warrant.

JMO

ETA: and I doubt the laws are specific to Greece, IMO they'd be EU rules.

Ebm - spelling once again

His phone to hers I believe. Tbh here I think I am misunderstanding this. I thought a ping from someone's phone showed up on the recipients phone. I don't see why the authorities would be able to stop this. But, yourself, and a previous poster slightly upthread appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet so I am clearly missing something.

 

[Herat]

Are the pings in the Slater case from his phone to hers? Or Apple ID or something?

Because in the US, cell companies will not release a potentially living person's pings except to police with a search warrant.

JMO

Um, very different countries, very different laws? For EAC, I guess it would have to be a US LEO search warrant? I'd think with his LEO background, there might be a way for them to do it.

The family of one of the missing French women was able to access her cloud information. Nothing has been released about what they found, other than someone else appeared to access it about 4:30 in the afternoon they disappeared. Presumably because the family was authorized to access her account?

I can see a lot of reasons why a retired LEO might not have given access to anyone about his personal cloud documents. There are also two phones involved, I presume one is US-based smartphone and the second is a Greek-based one that might not have all the tracking and data storage that the US-based one has. More like a Greek phone # and text/message capacity for ease in traveling and living there.

 

[indicolite22]

Following disinformation on social media, Greek police issued a statement yesterday (Google translation):

ANNOUNCEMENT

The Hellenic Police Headquarters announces that the investigations to locate a missing person in Amorgos are in full progress in cooperation with competent authorities and volunteer groups, while on the part of the Police, -10- police officers, a police dog with an escort, as well as a specialist expert are involved which has been appointed in the context of the police investigation – a case file has been created.

Therefore, posts on social media, which talk about the suspension of investigations do not correspond to reality.

https://www.astynomia.gr/2024/06/20/20-06-2024-anakoinosi-archigeiou-ellinikis-astynomias-schetika-me-tis-erevnes-gia-ton-entopismo-exafanisthentos-atomou-stin-amorgo/

 

[Aluev]

His friend is Greek. Here he is being interviewed on TV a couple of days ago:

Among other things, he is complaining about the Greek privacy laws that do not allow for disclosure of phone pings. He also describes the (in his view modest) response of Greek authorities.
He is posting in the Amorgos fb group.

ARRRGH

It's all Greek to me

Can anyone please tell us all of what he is saying?

I am Greek. This video is from 2 days ago and his friend who is Greek is expressing his disappointment that the people that are still searching are too few as the island only has 2-3 firefighters and 4 policemen for the whole island. The only helicopter that searched for him came on the second day and searched for only 2 hours. He is expressing his frustration about the cellular data pings not being disclosed because of the Privacy Laws. The privacy laws in Europe are very strict and each European country-member must abide by those laws. However, in cases of such life-threatening emergencies, there should be a way to be overridden.

The police do have a general area of the cell pings but this area is vast and doesn't help much. I am not sure that there is a way to get more precise pings as the islands in general don't have the best cell phone coverage...

Since this video was published there was an announcement by the Police spokesperson yesterday that the team searching for him consists of ten policemen and rescuers and a search dog with its handler. See upthread #376

 

[GTB72]

Following disinformation on social media, Greek police issued a statement yesterday (Google translation):

ANNOUNCEMENT

The Hellenic Police Headquarters announces that the investigations to locate a missing person in Amorgos are in full progress in cooperation with competent authorities and volunteer groups, while on the part of the Police, -10- police officers, a police dog with an escort, as well as a specialist expert are involved which has been appointed in the context of the police investigation – a case file has been created.

Therefore, posts on social media, which talk about the suspension of investigations do not correspond to reality.

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Thank you kindly.

 

[Herat]

I am Greek. This video is from 2 days ago and his friend who is Greek is expressing his disappointment that the people that are still searching are too few as the island only has 2-3 firefighters and 4 policemen for the whole island. The only helicopter that searched for him came on the second day and searched for only 2 hours. He is expressing his frustration about the cellular data pings not being disclosed because of the Privacy Laws. The privacy laws in Europe are very strict and each European country-member must abide by those laws. However, in cases of such life-threatening emergencies, there should be a way to be overridden.

The police do have a general area of the cell pings but this area is vast and doesn't help much. I am not sure that there is a way to get more precise pings as the islands in general don't have the best cell phone coverage...

Since this video was published there was an announcement by the Police spokesperson yesterday that the team searching for him consists of ten policemen and rescuers and a search dog with its handler. See upthread #376

Thank you so much

There is a lot of discussion and it appears to be sort of heated at one point. It's too bad there isn't much concrete information about where those red dots are supposed to be, assuming they are phone pings.

My naivety of the island topography makes me think there are not any deep ravines or hidden caves in this area, just a lot of rocky walls and rocky topography that make it slow going for all involved - missing EAC and the searchers and dogs.

I do note for further reference that the banners on that Greek program are using the spelling Albert Kilbert for his name. Might be more helpful in searching for media articles.

 

[indicolite22]

Bbm

In what sense can't they be disclosed? We know Jay Slater's phone pings are in the media. Lucy Law has disclosed them. Surely if EAC has sent pings, then friends and family would have mentioned this. Why would it have anything to do with the Greek authorities? Apologies in advance if I am misreading your post and its meaning.

According to the friend, only the general area of last pings was disclosed, which was basically the entire island of Amorgos. Apparently privacy laws prohibit providing more precise location (or perhaps providing raw data).

 

[Aluev]

According to the friend, only the general area of last pings was disclosed, which was basically the entire island of Amorgos. Apparently privacy laws prohibit providing more precise location (or perhaps providing raw data).

I think they can't be disclosed to third parties, like the media, not the Greek police. The US rescue team most likely didn't come with an official request, they were just volunteers so they they can't be privy to all the inner workings of the investigation.

 

[GTB72]

According to the friend, only the general area of last pings was disclosed, which was basically the entire island of Amorgos. Apparently privacy laws prohibit providing more precise location (or perhaps providing raw data).

Ah, I see. Thank you for the detailed explanation.