Anita Rose, 57, walking her dog, police investigating suspected murder, Brantham, Suffolk, 24th July 2024'

[Sarahlou]

I must say I'm very impressed if this was a routine walk, after an hour Anita had still not completed her return journey. I wonder if it was her commitment to owning a Springer Spaniel and living in a house with not much opportunity for his exercise. I do wonder if the app she used was to ensure that Bruce had a minimum mileage/distance covered per day or morning, perhaps even with an additional later walk. Looking at Google maps the point at which Anita turns off the app is by the railway bridge where she presumably entered back down that track running alongside the railway, which converges with Rectory Lane further down. I wonder if at that point she habitually let Bruce off his lead to have a run about which would not be recordable by the app, but she is not worried because he has had his minimum 'goal' of exercise? I can't think of another reason for ceasing the recording at that point, unless she wanted to be clandestine about part of her route, which seems unlikely to me. It might explain one puzzle I have, which is the greater unlikelihood of a stranger encounter with anyone with a very lively dog on a lead. I wonder if Bruce was found with his lead on or off.

Just a few musings.

I remember in an article a while ago someone who lived in the village said Anita would take her dog out about 3 times a day for 2 hours at a time. I thought that seemed too excessive to be true but maybe she did do a couple of very long walks.

 

[slowpoke]

I must say I'm very impressed if this was a routine walk, after an hour Anita had still not completed her return journey. I wonder if it was her commitment to owning a Springer Spaniel and living in a house with not much opportunity for his exercise. I do wonder if the app she used was to ensure that Bruce had a minimum mileage/distance covered per day or morning, perhaps even with an additional later walk. Looking at Google maps the point at which Anita turns off the app is by the railway bridge where she presumably entered back down that track running alongside the railway, which converges with Rectory Lane further down. I wonder if at that point she habitually let Bruce off his lead to have a run about which would not be recordable by the app, but she is not worried because he has had his minimum 'goal' of exercise? I can't think of another reason for ceasing the recording at that point, unless she wanted to be clandestine about part of her route, which seems unlikely to me. It might explain one puzzle I have, which is the greater unlikelihood of a stranger encounter with anyone with a very lively dog on a lead. I wonder if Bruce was found with his lead on or off.

Just a few musings.

I had a thought as to why she might turn off recording the walk at that point. I thought maybe she’d regularly go to an establishment to get a cup of coffee to enjoy, while taking a short break. But then I didn’t see any place that’d be open at 6:00 AM.

There is a place called The Bull that seems near that intersection, but it looks like they wouldn’t have opened until 10 AM. Interestingly, it looks to be a place that has a regular walking group that meets there. They probably walk on much of the same ground for their group walks that Anita did.
JMO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831271824950263811

From my earlier post

The guy in blue seems to wear 2 different pairs of shoes.

Also his figure is slightly different.

2 different days I guess.

JMO

 

[Parker Knoll]

Not a springer owner but a cocker - that’s a LOT of walking.

 

[CocktailQueen]

I have an Apple Watch (not sure if this is the exercise tracker she was using) if I have it set to walk it tracks to location of the walk and it drains the battery. So if I was doing multiple walks in a day and did not have time to put it on charge then I would limit the amount of time the watch is set to track the walks. It will still record any steps but not drain the battery as much. So maybe that is why she stopped the tracker after an hour every day.

 

[slowpoke]

I was just reading of what feels like a very similar story which happened in another part of the UK (Leicestershire), where an 80-year-old man walking his dog was attacked, and subsequently died of his injuries. (Link to article)

In this man’s instance, it appears a young 14 yo teen may be the attacker! It says he had been harassed before, with kids throwing stones at him. It’s unclear to me how he was attacked this last, fatal time.

 

[elliefant]

I was just reading of what feels like a very similar story which happened in another part of the UK (Leicestershire), where an 80-year-old man walking his dog was attacked, and subsequently died of his injuries. (Link to article)

In this man’s instance, it appears a young 14 yo teen may be the attacker! It says he had been harassed before, with kids throwing stones at him. It’s unclear to me how he was attacked this last, fatal time.

His thread on here:

Three children and two teenagers have been arrested over the murder of an 80-year-old man. Leicestershire, UK.

Three children and two teenagers arrested over murder of 80-year-old in park Three children and two teenagers have been arrested over the murder of an 80-year-old man. The victim, who was walking his dog in Franklin Park, Leicestershire, was seriously assaulted on Sunday and died in hospital...

www.websleuths.com

 

[slowpoke]

I keep checking for updates on Anita’s case, and here is the latest.

One of the two potential witnesses (not a suspect) has been located and is cooperating with LE. The second gentleman has yet to be located, and they would still like to find and speak with him—again emphasizing he is not a suspect.

It says that today (Sept 13) locals will notice an increased police presence as they are going door to door for inquiries.

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/suffolk/news/news/2024/july/brantham-murder-investigation--one-potential-witness-identified-following-cctv-appeal/

 

[Dotta]

"An inquest
has opened into the death of mum-of-six
and suspected murder victim Anita Rose."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834839394622280123

 

[slowpoke]

Is opening an inquest a standard procedure? What is its purpose?

Why do you suppose the “provisional cause of death is a traumatic head injury, pending further investigation”?

It’s been reported from the beginning that she suffered serious head injuries yet up til now it was reported that the post-mortem examination was unable to establish a cause of death. What might be the conundrum, that they cannot definitively say it was due to her head injuries?

 

[Kittypoo]

Is opening an inquest a standard procedure? What is its purpose?

Why do you suppose the “provisional cause of death is a traumatic head injury, pending further investigation”?

It’s been reported from the beginning that she suffered serious head injuries yet up til now it was reported that the post-mortem examination was unable to establish a cause of death. What might be the conundrum, that they cannot definitively say it was due to her head injuries?

There is an inquest if the death is unexpected and there has been no cause of death established. ie she was young and presumably healthy prior.
They know she has a head injury but do not know who or what has caused it so far? JMO
RIP

 

[slowpoke]

There is an inquest if the death is unexpected and there has been no cause of death established. ie she was young and presumably healthy prior.
They know she has a head injury but do not know who or what has caused it so far? JMO
RIP

I had thought the who or what caused her injuries would fall under maybe more to manner of death, not cause of death. But maybe they mean to combine cause and manner? I get confused.

Just looked up the difference, and it’s described as:
(Link)

• Cause of death: natural disease or injury that led to physiologic changes resulting in death
  
  • Acute event (e.g., motor vehicle collision, gunshot wound to the head, sudden death in previously healthy individuals)
  • Chronic event (e.g., complications related to atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, malignancy, etc.)
• Manner of death: circumstances surrounding death (how the death came about / how the injury or disease leads to death)
  
  • Mainly based on scene investigation, interviews with next of kin, review of medical history / records, autopsy and ancillary studies (studies (toxicology, histopathology, vitreous chemistry, microbiology, etc.)

 

[slowpoke]

A service was held for Anita at Seven Hills Crematorium on Friday 20th September 2024.
Lovely that it suggested to “please wear colourful clothing to celebrate Anita's life.”

Brantham Parish Council post, Sept 7

 

[sunspun]

Police are keen to find two men who may hold key information to find the person responsible for the suspected murder of Anita Rose.

Ms Rose, 57, was found by a member of the public lying unconscious on a track near Rectory Lane in Brantham on Wednesday, July 24.
<modsnip for copyright violation - only 10% of article can be posted>

No charges have been made since Ms Rose's death.

Police keen to speak to two men over Anita Rose murder probe

Police are keen to speak to two men in connection with the suspected murder of Anita Rose in Brantham, Suffolk.

www.eadt.co.uk

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Do we know if the pic of the man in blue was taken the day she was attacked, and if so, before or after? He looks to me dressed appropriately for a neighborhood man out for early morning walk, EXCEPT for whatever that is he is carrying! Is that shopping bags? I thought no shops opened that early there. Doesn't that look like what he's carrying? And not just one, but it looks to me like several! Seems odd. Are there homeless people in that area? And what is that yellow strip across the bag/s? Almost looks like crime scene tape, ha. Probably not that, but it does look like tape to me. Would he have his bags taped together??? And then finally, and I know this is probably just me seeing things now, but it really looks to me like you can see something pink in the dark bag, like if you look at the spot just behind the "tape", in the middle of the tape. I swear I can see something pink in color in there.

But like I said, I don't even know if this pic is on the day of the attack or not, so it may not even matter. But regardless, it still seems odd someone out that early, on foot, in that area carrying his belongings (or purchases) around with him as he walks. Or maybe it's totally normal to see there. I am a very long way away from there, so maybe I just don't know! just my thoughts...

ETA Also, what's the white roundish thing on his top? Is it just an emblem on the shirt? Looks more like something he stuck on there, like maybe a work ID badge, nametag, or sticker saying "I voted!" or whatever!

ETA again: OK I just realized there are 2 pics of the man in blue. I had not seen the hatless one at first. But I can't believe those are the same person! I know the clothes look the same, but the one wearing the hat looks noticeably thinner than the hatless one! And different shoes maybe? So I was thinking maybe they ARE two different men, but they work at the same place, and that's a work uniform they're both wearing. That white thing on front of his shirt might say business name? Would that make sense? If it's the same guy in both, I think the hatless one has something stuffed in his shirt... maybe that's what he's done with his bags! Cuz where'd the bags go??

Well, these are possibly all just on different days, I guess.

 

[Dotta]

Do we know if the pic of the man in blue was taken the day she was attacked, and if so, before or after? He looks to me dressed appropriately for a neighborhood man out for early morning walk, EXCEPT for whatever that is he is carrying! Is that shopping bags? I thought no shops opened that early there. Doesn't that look like what he's carrying? And not just one, but it looks to me like several! Seems odd. Are there homeless people in that area? And what is that yellow strip across the bag/s? Almost looks like crime scene tape, ha. Probably not that, but it does look like tape to me. Would he have his bags taped together??? And then finally, and I know this is probably just me seeing things now, but it really looks to me like you can see something pink in the dark bag, like if you look at the spot just behind the "tape", in the middle of the tape. I swear I can see something pink in color in there.

But like I said, I don't even know if this pic is on the day of the attack or not, so it may not even matter. But regardless, it still seems odd someone out that early, on foot, in that area carrying his belongings (or purchases) around with him as he walks. Or maybe it's totally normal to see there. I am a very long way away from there, so maybe I just don't know! just my thoughts...

ETA Also, what's the white roundish thing on his top? Is it just an emblem on the shirt? Looks more like something he stuck on there, like maybe a work ID badge, nametag, or sticker saying "I voted!" or whatever!

ETA again: OK I just realized there are 2 pics of the man in blue. I had not seen the hatless one at first. But I can't believe those are the same person! I know the clothes look the same, but the one wearing the hat looks noticeably thinner than the hatless one! And different shoes maybe? So I was thinking maybe they ARE two different men, but they work at the same place, and that's a work uniform they're both wearing. That white thing on front of his shirt might say business name? Would that make sense? If it's the same guy in both, I think the hatless one has something stuffed in his shirt... maybe that's what he's done with his bags! Cuz where'd the bags go??

Well, these are possibly all just on different days, I guess.

IMO
It is the same guy.
Photos taken on 2 different days I suppose
(different shoes).

In hatless pic,
he seems to carry something under his jumper.
Or is it a big belly?

But in another pic he seems very thin.

He seems to be a regular morning walker in the area.
An older guy constantly wearing the same clothes.

JMO

 

[sunspun]

IMO
It is the same guy.
Photos taken on 2 different days I suppose
(different shoes).

In hatless pic,
he seems to carry something under his jumper.
Or is it a big belly?

But in another pic he seems very thin.

He seems to be a regular morning walker in the area.
An older guy constantly wearing the same clothes.

JMO

Odd. I still think carrying multiple bags seems weird for a morning walk. And so this isn't a pic from the day of the attack?

 

[sunspun]

I don't suppose there's any way she may have been hit by a train and crawled her way over to where she was found... a glancing blow perhaps? (Not full-on run over.)

 

[Robocop567]

Odd. I still think carrying multiple bags seems weird for a morning walk. And so this isn't a pic from the day of the attack?

I have to agree it is weird but it looks like the same clothes, maybe went home and threw the shoes away? So he can’t be linked that way?

Multiple bags is very strange, but then again could’ve been coming back from a shop on that picture hence the shoe change.

Does look like somethings stuffed up his jumper so thinking he tossed that too?

Just a theory of course but that’s what I think he would’ve done!

 

[sunspun]

I have to agree it is weird but it looks like the same clothes, maybe went home and threw the shoes away? So he can’t be linked that way?

Multiple bags is very strange, but then again could’ve been coming back from a shop on that picture hence the shoe change.

Does look like somethings stuffed up his jumper so thinking he tossed that too?

Just a theory of course but that’s what I think he would’ve done!

You don't think there's any chance that could be 2 different men in the same clothes, because they both work at the same place and they're wearing uniforms? The shirts look like an employee work shirt to me with that white badge or insignia or whatever it is on the front. Like a patch with the company name on it maybe. No idea what shops or businesses are right there that they/he could be walking to if going to work in uniform, but that would be easy enough to check out. I'm just assuming the pic was taken sometime early morning, because why else would LE have said they want to talk to him? To find out if he saw anyone or anything near the time of the crime. So he must have been walking near where it happened at about that time. And if he's walking to work, maybe he walks that same route daily same time. (And maybe a co-worker of his does too, both wearing identical uniforms!)

 

[Robocop567]

You don't think there's any chance that could be 2 different men in the same clothes, because they both work at the same place and they're wearing uniforms? The shirts look like an employee work shirt to me with that white badge or insignia or whatever it is on the front. Like a patch with the company name on it maybe. No idea what shops or businesses are right there that they/he could be walking to if going to work in uniform, but that would be easy enough to check out. I'm just assuming the pic was taken sometime early morning, because why else would LE have said they want to talk to him? To find out if he saw anyone or anything near the time of the crime. So he must have been walking near where it happened at about that time. And if he's walking to work, maybe he walks that same route daily same time. (And maybe a co-worker of his does too, both wearing identical uniforms!)

It could be, but I thought they both looked identical in face, I don’t know either but I am assuming a farmfoods might be near by just by the bag that he was holding if that makes sense?

Could be 2 different people but its the jumper and the bump that’s throwing me off to be honest, it just doesn’t strike me straight away as a belly type of bump, obviously that’s not taking into consideration if he has a colostomy bag etc.

Hopefully he does come forward soon 100%

I also agree with the work badge logo but then surely someone else who notices the badge would’ve said something by now

It doesn’t help that there’s barely any coverage in the uk unless it’s on the news!