Found Deceased AR - Ashley Bush, 33, *31 wks pregnant, met woman online for job interview*, Maysville, 31 October 2022

[Stunned]

Also - what are the odds that two witnesses saw a man, driving a blue or grey truck, toss her phone out the window on Oct 31 around 6:51pm and Jamie also drives a blue truck?

Jamie had to have been involved in this situation from the very get-go. He’s doing his best to make her take the fall for it, but Amber will probably roll on him soon. IMO.

I agree with this. Chelsea was not a small woman. And, she was dead weight being dragged around. I would think it took more than one person.

 

[MsMarple]

Nov 4, 2022:

NWA mom says she was almost target of woman charged in death of Ashley Bush

A Northwest Arkansas mom says she’s grateful to be alive after she almost fell victim to the online profile, “Lucy”, also known as the Amber Waterman, the woman charged in the dea…

www.ozarksfirst.com

[…]

Detectives say Amber used the fictitious name “Lucy Barrows” online to lure people in.

[…]

A local mom named Emily Smith who is 30 weeks pregnant says Ashley could’ve been her.

[…]

“She had sent these pictures of just a couple of different pictures of these tops, and there was a pair, a couple of shorts. And then, she said we could meet, ” Smith said.

However, Smith says something about their conversations seemed suspicious.

“The pictures, they weren’t like it looked like. She had just been taken in different places. There were different comforters on the bed, and I think maybe one was even a table. And then, I had looked at her profile and seen that it was only two days old,” Smith said.

[…]

OMG! So Amber was shopping around for a while before successfully luring in Ashley. And this woman was 30 weeks which does make a case that Amber wasn’t looking for a viable baby.

If that’s true then it’s almost worse than a woman looking for a live baby. I mean it’s all horrible but it’s like Amber saw the baby as a prop, not a human. Where do these monsters come from!

 

[Eli9]

OMG! So Amber was shopping around for a while before successfully luring in Ashley. And this woman was 30 weeks which does make a case that Amber wasn’t looking for a viable baby.

If that’s true then it’s almost worse than a woman looking for a live baby. I mean it’s all horrible but it’s like Amber saw the baby as a prop, not a human. Where do these monsters come from!

I think you are right. AW didn't plan on raising the baby she conned people into thinking she was carrying. But in order for that lie to play out she needed a dead baby.

 

[Eli9]

I thought I had read this also. But maybe it was between houses or she was closer to the neighbor? I have been trying to confirm this also. It is starting or sounds like things happened in the truck. I cannot think of how a single person(Amber) would have been able to get Ashley out of the truck and lay her down outside. Also, if Amber's life did end in the truck, how was the baby delivered, from what little research I have done is that the baby needs to be born fairly quick after the mother is deceased. So, bottom line, I guess is the stories are not coming together at this point, or in other words, Jamie (possibly someone else) is WAY more involved. The funeral is pretty odd in my book, I mean family (outside of immediate family) would have surely been scratching there head, I know I would have.

Can you even imagine how shocked those that were in attendance praying and grieving over this baby must have been upon hearing of the arrest?

 

[MissMalowe]

I realize this detail seems small/trivial in the grand scheme of this heinous crime, but the fact that "Lucy" took off Amber's ring before burning her body really bothers me. I'm not sure why, I guess because it's a different/additional sign of complete disrespect? She had already taken literally everything from this woman- her life, her baby, her children's mother, but hey, let me also take this item off her cold dead finger because maybe I can sell it or keep it for myself.

Throw the book at this woman.

 

[Marysmith]

OMG! So Amber was shopping around for a while before successfully luring in Ashley. And this woman was 30 weeks which does make a case that Amber wasn’t looking for a viable baby.

If that’s true then it’s almost worse than a woman looking for a live baby. I mean it’s all horrible but it’s like Amber saw the baby as a prop, not a human. Where do these monsters come from!

I do wonder if she thought the baby would be ok though after 30 weeks? It’s hard to know. She is not bright though so that’s why I’m wondering what her true intention was - but I think you are probably right.

 

[MsMarple]

I realize this detail seems small/trivial in the grand scheme of this heinous crime, but the fact that "Lucy" took off Amber's ring before burning her body really bothers me. I'm not sure why, I guess because it's a different/additional sign of complete disrespect? She had already taken literally everything from this woman- her life, her baby, her children's mother, but hey, let me also take this item off her cold dead finger because maybe I can sell it or keep it for myself.

Throw the book at this woman.

Yeah, that jumped out to me too. So cold. At first I thought maybe Amber took Ashley’s ring to hide identification but these nitwits apparently thought they could destroy her body by burning so I agree it was either to keep or sell.

Either one is equally disgusting IMO.

 

[gliving]

OMG! So Amber was shopping around for a while before successfully luring in Ashley. And this woman was 30 weeks which does make a case that Amber wasn’t looking for a viable baby.

If that’s true then it’s almost worse than a woman looking for a live baby. I mean it’s all horrible but it’s like Amber saw the baby as a prop, not a human. Where do these monsters come from!

I envision her creating a fundraiser to help her in her grief. Total depravity.

 

[Warwick7]

I also cannot make sense of this timeline.

MONDAY, OCT 31 - Amber kidnaps Ashley, kills her, calls husband at 4:30 and says she having a miscarriage. They meet with EMT and try to revive baby. Baby taken by Coroner.

MONDAY Night - Husband Jamie sees blood in truck and assumes it’s from the miscarriage. She cleans blood and together they burn the rags.

TUES, NOV 1 - they go to funeral home to make arrangements.

WED, NOV 2 - police come to their home early in the morning, Jamie acknowledges to LE that he is aware Ashley is missing from media coverage. Police conduct a search of the residence and seize the truck because of blood evidence. After LE leave Amber tells Jamie she killed Ashley and the body is beside the house. They proceed to burn body, move to another location. They also possibly have a funeral.

THUR, NOV 3 - LE conduct an interview with Jamie, he tells them what happened between Oct 31-Nov 2.

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Questions. SO. MANY. QUESTIONS.

1. Obviously Ashley suffered some kind of trauma in the truck because there was blood. Did Amber kill her and remove the baby in the truck? Did she then leave the baby and drag Ashley to the side of the house by herself?

2. Does Jamie then come to the house and Amber is just there with this lifeless baby? And they get in his truck? If Amber committed the crime as stated in question 1 - this baby would almost have to be completely lifeless, possibly cold at this point, right? I can’t imagine that stowing Ashley’s body was a very effortless and fast process. Why did they call 911 for immediate intervention on what had to be a very dead baby?

3. How did LE miss a body that would have almost certainly been decomposing at that point? Was there no smell?

4. Why didn’t Jamie question Amber burning the rags? Who BURNS rags? If you don’t want to wash them why not just toss? How would that not be a GIANT RED FLAG?

I have more questions, but right now I just can’t imagine there is any way that Jamie wasn’t WAY more involved in this process and that Ashley’s body wasn’t burned earlier than Wednesday morning.

I'm new to this case. But, when I read your post about how they "both" burned the rags I immediately thought of Tammy and Sydney Moore and their rag burning.

"Law enforcement have reason to believe that both of them are involved in this crime and obviously as the facts play out, and the investigation continues, we'll know the extent of that involvement for both of them. But evidence is, at this point, that there was reason to hold both of them for charges," he said."

Missing pregnant Arkansas mom and baby found dead in Missouri after couple allegedly kidnaps her

A Benton County, Arkansas, woman last seen on Monday and the baby she had been pregnant with are both dead in McDonald, Missouri, and a couple is facing charges in connection to the case.

amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[LaborDayRN]

I realize this detail seems small/trivial in the grand scheme of this heinous crime, but the fact that "Lucy" took off Amber's ring before burning her body really bothers me. I'm not sure why, I guess because it's a different/additional sign of complete disrespect? She had already taken literally everything from this woman- her life, her baby, her children's mother, but hey, let me also take this item off her cold dead finger because maybe I can sell it or keep it for myself.

Throw the book at this woman.

I feel exactly the same way. It was like a last slap in the face. What a monster!

 

[Warwick7]

"Authorities were able to determine that Amber was allegedly involved in Bush's disappearance through phone records and social media, according to court documents. In an interview with police at her home in Missouri, Amber said she delivered a stillborn babyon Monday — the same day that Bush went missing — and denied ever knowing Bush, according to the affidavit."

"When authorities asked Amber about "Lucy Barrows," a woman who they believed to be a fake name used by Amber to lure Bush to her kidnapping, the suspect told police that she knew Lucy from work and that she had last seen her a few weeks prior, per the document."

BBM
I wonder if she wanted frame this "Lucy" from work?

Woman Accused of Kidnapping Ashley Bush Allegedly Wanted to Keep the Woman's Unborn Baby as Her Own

Ashley Bush — who was 31 weeks pregnant — was found dead on Thursday, while the body of her fetus, which police say she had named Valkyrie Grace Willis, was found dead a day prior

people.com

 

[katydid23]

Was it reported that Ashley's body was found at a neighbors? I think I read that. I am confused about the timeline too and I think it will change as the investigation continues. JMO

I heard my local tv news reporter say that Ashley's body was found on a neighbour's property. But I have not seen that in any article's yet.

 

[katydid23]

I do wonder if she thought the baby would be ok though after 30 weeks? It’s hard to know. She is not bright though so that’s why I’m wondering what her true intention was - but I think you are probably right.

I am pretty sure the suspect gave birth to a child years earlier. So she has to know that a 30 week unborn baby would need lots of immediate medical care.

 

[musicaljoke]

Yes, evidence seems to show she suffered a fatal gunshot wound in the truck. I highly doubt there was time to deliver a viable baby. SO SAD

"Authorities were able to determine that Amber was allegedly involved in Bush's disappearance through phone records and social media, according to court documents. In an interview with police at her home in Missouri, Amber said she delivered a stillborn babyon Monday — the same day that Bush went missing — and denied ever knowing Bush, according to the affidavit."

"When authorities asked Amber about "Lucy Barrows," a woman who they believed to be a fake name used by Amber to lure Bush to her kidnapping, the suspect told police that she knew Lucy from work and that she had last seen her a few weeks prior, per the document."

BBM
I wonder if she wanted frame this "Lucy" from work?

Woman Accused of Kidnapping Ashley Bush Allegedly Wanted to Keep the Woman's Unborn Baby as Her Own

Ashley Bush — who was 31 weeks pregnant — was found dead on Thursday, while the body of her fetus, which police say she had named Valkyrie Grace Willis, was found dead a day prior

people.com

I'm suspect there was no "Lucy from work". You really can't believe anything that comes out of this woman's mouth.

 

[Chelly]

OMG! So Amber was shopping around for a while before successfully luring in Ashley. And this woman was 30 weeks which does make a case that Amber wasn’t looking for a viable baby.

If that’s true then it’s almost worse than a woman looking for a live baby. I mean it’s all horrible but it’s like Amber saw the baby as a prop, not a human. Where do these monsters come from!

...and this is the sickening result of Amber, aka "Lucy", pretending to be pregnant and needing a dead baby to use as proof. These murders will haunt me.

 

[Gardenista]

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

New info from the coroner in this article. ETA and it is more craziness.

 

[LaineyJ]

I hadn’t thought about AW not caring whether she had a live or dead child … thinking she may have wanted a dead baby just to basically try to prove she had been pregnant, is disgusting.

I’m not sure where I fall on that. Part of me thinks she would have wanted a live baby, because I am assuming the pregnancy lie was to keep her husband around. If she “miscarried” and there was no live baby, who’s to say he wouldn’t walk right back out the door once the initial shock/grief cleared a little bit? Then what?

I don’t even think her killing Ashley before taking the baby out can show that she didn’t care that the baby would not be alive. I don’t think she had certain clear, planned out actions the way we may assume she did. Nothing she did was logical, I think she was able to lure someone (though the other could-be victim stating the pictures and fb acct recently opened were suspect shows her planning wasn’t great), and that was the most solid planning she was able to make in this whole thing. I don’t believe she had the capacity to think further ahead than luring and securing a victim.

But I could definitely be wrong about all of this. It IS convenient that she still ended up with “proof” she had been pregnant and had a memorial. So I don’t know. Either way, she knew she’d be murdering at least one person no matter what.

Imo, jmo. Words are hard today, apologies if my post is a mess

 

[Helechawagirl]

Trying to lay the groundwork for a split personality defense?

 

[Lyanna]

I'm not sure the Feds will recognize the baby girl as a person, so there may be no charges for her murder. I tried googling it, but couldn't find anything.

Arkansas and Missouri both have fetal homicide laws

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I think they can charge for the murder of little Valkry.

Moo

 

[Gardenista]

Arkansas and Missouri both have fetal homicide laws

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I think they can charge for the murder of little Valkry.

Moo

They weren't charged by either state. They were charged by the Feds.