Found Deceased AR - Ashley Bush, 33, *31 wks pregnant, met woman online for job interview*, Maysville, 31 October 2022

[Lyanna]

They weren't charged by either state. They were charged by the Feds.

Doesn't the same laws apply though?

 

[Gardenista]

Doesn't the same laws apply though?

No, and I believe that's the reason they want the coroner to determine if the baby took a breath. My guess is they are doing this because if there is no breath, then there is no murder charge.

I could be wrong though. I tried briefly to google it and could not find anything.

 

[Chelly]

Amber removed a ring from Bush’s finger and rolled her body onto the blue tarp, the affidavit says, which Jamie then dragged to a fire pit behind the home. The Watermans allegedly burned the body, moved it onto the bed of Jamie's blue GMC pickup, and drove a short distance from their home to hide the body.

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

 

[Murphy1950]

I do wonder if she thought the baby would be ok though after 30 weeks? It’s hard to know. She is not bright though so that’s why I’m wondering what her true intention was - but I think you are probably right.

Bright enough to try and pull this ruse. She was active on SM and had a cell phone.

Even if you were clueless it's a simple Google search. Birth at 30 weeks

"Doctors and medical specialists consider a premature baby born at 30 weeks to be “very preterm.” This means that once they're born, they'll likely require immediate medical attention to help them breathe, eat, and reach developmental milestones."

Hubby is in just as deep as she is but he's making deals Having a service and inviting family is over the top sick IMO. She could tell the family privately she miscarried, end of story.

 

[Lyanna]

No, and I believe that's the reason they want the coroner to determine if the baby took a breath. My guess is they are doing this because if there is no breath, then there is no murder charge.

I could be wrong though. I tried briefly to google it and could not find anything.

Ahhh, thanks - I don't understand US laws at all - there's so much of it, then there's state and federal laws - it's confusing.
Really hope that someone is held responsible for the murder of Valkry, because that is what it was.
If they couldn't charge for murder am guessing they can't charge for abduction/kidnapping her then? Cos they did that too in my non legal eyes

Moo

 

[Gardenista]

Ahhh, thanks - I don't understand US laws at all - there's so much of it, then there's state and federal laws - it's confusing.
Really hope that someone is held responsible for the murder of Valkry, because that is what it was.
If they couldn't charge for murder am guessing they can't charge for abduction/kidnapping her then? Cos they did that too in my non legal eyes

Moo

I was just thinking about this and wondered if maybe the state could charge her with Valkrie's murder and the Feds do Ashley's.

I'm also not sure if it's a requirement that the Feds charge and try the case or if it could be kicked back to one of the states.

 

[Warwick7]

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

New info from the coroner in this article. ETA and it is more craziness.

@Gardenista you are right there is a ton of extra stuff in that article!! Thank you for the find.

 

[jessarox]

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

New info from the coroner in this article. ETA and it is more craziness.

Um, you weren't kidding about the craziness.

According to Goodwin, Amber allegedly had the placenta in her pants when EMS showed up, causing Jamie to think she had the baby.

WTF. This crime was already horrible enough but that is truly disgusting.

 

[Warwick7]

"He says he went to pick her up at around 3 p.m. that same day.
The last time Willis says he heard from his fiancé was when he received a text from her saying she was in Gravette and he could come to pick her up."
"All I saw was her and the lady she rode with both pass me, neither one stopped, the driver looked at me and kept going," he said."
"Willis says he tried following the truck but lost it heading north on Hwy. 43. He and his family quickly started searching for Bush."

This poor husband!!

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

 

[Warwick7]

Um, you weren't kidding about the craziness.



WTF. This crime was already horrible enough but that is truly disgusting.

Wow! Wackado about the placenta!!!

 

[Gardenista]

Um, you weren't kidding about the craziness.



WTF. This crime was already horrible enough but that is truly disgusting.

Taylor Parker did the same thing with Reagan Hancock's placenta. There are quite a few similarities in the cases which makes me wonder if Amber has been keeping up with Taylor Parker's trial.

 

[whitelilac]

from the article:
".... the Waterman's family said Amber had already miscarried four times..."

LE needs to check this out.....just in case

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

 

[Gardenista]

@Gardenista you are right there is a ton of extra stuff in that article!! Thank you for the find.

They are supposed to show an interview with the coroner tonight on their evening news, so we may hear even more.

 

[Warwick7]

Um, you weren't kidding about the craziness.



WTF. This crime was already horrible enough but that is truly disgusting.

So she refused medical treatment. While the baby was taken to the funeral home, she handed over the placenta.

Wow! Can't make this stuff up!

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

 

[Eli9]

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

Goodwin says the baby was a "beautiful" girl and that Amber was a "cold-blooded killer" and a "good actor."

According to Goodwin, the Benton County Coroner arrived after the memorial service to take the baby for an autopsy. Goodwin says the Waterman’s demeanor changed when they found out an autopsy would be performed, and Amber allegedly asked multiple times if DNA tests would be performed. He says as soon as Jamie heard that, he “got up and ran out of funeral home.”

“Hands down craziest things I have ever dealt with as a coroner for 16 years," Goodwin said.

Goodwin says the Watermans had named the baby Dakota.

 

[Warwick7]

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

New info from the coroner in this article. ETA and it is more craziness.

She contacts her guy to say she is miscarrying, yet says she's lost her phone (but was home all day).

LE wants her phone, nope sorry can't find it.
:/

 

[Warwick7]

Timeline | The kidnapping and murder of pregnant Arkansas mother and her unborn baby

An Arkansas woman, pregnant and hopeful for a job, was kidnapped by a stranger she met online with a motive to take her unborn child.

www.5newsonline.com

Goodwin says the baby was a "beautiful" girl and that Amber was a "cold-blooded killer" and a "good actor."

According to Goodwin, the Benton County Coroner arrived after the memorial service to take the baby for an autopsy. Goodwin says the Waterman’s demeanor changed when they found out an autopsy would be performed, and Amber allegedly asked multiple times if DNA tests would be performed. He says as soon as Jamie heard that, he “got up and ran out of funeral home.”

“Hands down craziest things I have ever dealt with as a coroner for 16 years," Goodwin said.

Goodwin says the Watermans had named the baby Dakota.

BBM
Ya I bet he did run. They both are being charged. There's more to him than being an accessory after the fact.

 

[Warwick7]

"I wouldn't let them take the baby. I'm taking custody of the baby as the county coroner," Goodwin said."

"Goodwin said the Watermans told officials they would go to the hospital on their own but didn't have enough gas money to get there so officials gave them gas money and told them to contact the Ozark Funeral Home, which Goodwin owns, once they left the hospital. Goodwin said they were behind the ambulance but turned off on another road and no one knew if they ever made it to the hospital."

Missing pregnant Arkansas mom and baby found dead in Missouri after couple allegedly kidnaps her

A Benton County, Arkansas, woman last seen on Monday and the baby she had been pregnant with are both dead in McDonald, Missouri, and a couple is facing charges in connection to the case.

amp.cnn.com

 

[SimplyCass]

No, and I believe that's the reason they want the coroner to determine if the baby took a breath. My guess is they are doing this because if there is no breath, then there is no murder charge.

I could be wrong though. I tried briefly to google it and could not find anything.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is a 2004 federal law about feticide but after reading it twice over I still do not understand it. Article isn't great (disclaimer, it is Wikipedia) and a large part of it discusses Roe which is definitely outdated now.

 

[gliving]

Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is a 2004 federal law about feticide but after reading it twice over I still do not understand it. Article isn't great (disclaimer, it is Wikipedia) and a large part of it discusses Roe which is definitely outdated now.

Thanks @SimplyCass I found another document but it's more about neonaticide; when a mother kills her newborn.

“Was the Infant Born Alive?” A Review of Postmortem Techniques Used to Determine Live Birth In Cases of Suspected Neonaticide

The question of whether an infant was born alive has received much attention in the forensic literature. The volume of literature reflects the degree of controversy surrounding the techniques employed and their varied interpretation and utility. The majority ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Whew, what a mess. I'm still shaking my head about her putting the placenta in her underpants. WTF