GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - # 5

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Agreed! I don't know too many of us women who haven't been involved in these type of relationships at some point--high school or post divorce. I truly understand how CL was suckered into his depravity. I know too many women in their 40's who seem to get caught up with the bad boys. What is up with that??? Hormonal idioticness?

Yes.
From a 40 something who married a bad boy after only 2 months of dating. I call him my mid life crisis husband. Lol
He's not bad as in criminal bad though... Not a con artist either. But yeah...
Lol
 
Yes.
From a 40 something who married a bad boy after only 2 months of dating. I call him my mid life crisis husband. Lol
He's not bad as in criminal bad though... Not a con artist either. But yeah...
Lol
I think every woman wants a bit of bad boy, in their man. Too bad AL was all bad boy.
 
Thank you for those phone screen shots! Very eerie to see them ... imagining some panicked person feeling a need to respond to Carl's texts actively involved in the cover up. Quite the sleuthing puzzle this case is. And whoever said earlier about the upcoming holidays and how hard it's going to be on the victim's family...wholeheartedly concur with that. I'm off to bed now. I will say, we had another BC legacy moment last night here. We had 2 calls from 2 strangers, men, for 2 separate showings at a listing of ours in the hills and I couldn't do them so my partner went. But we had trouble identifying one of the buyers from his information, so she had the sellers stay home and 'guard' her - with the husband in the car with a baseball bat just in case! Not sure how effective that might be but it's better than being alone there I guess. All turned out on the up and up, but minus this tragic incident (which she hears about frequently from me) she might not have given it a second thought.

It is policy now to have buyers meet first in the office, first to qualify their intentions and their ability to buy, (which I would hope all professionals do, always...) I always made these appointments during business hours where other agents and admin staff would be present. The buyers have to produce photo ID that is photocopied and kept on file. I sincerely doubt anyone with intentions other than buying a house would consent.
Another thought... the drama your partner/agent created, having the husband 'guard' her will cause a lot of clients to hire a male agent in the first place. It is an agent's job to protect the clients from unqualified, unsuitable people coming to their home, not the other way around...I would never have made my clients responsible for protecting me, and would have arranged my own security if necessary. Highly unprofessional, IMO.
 
It is policy now to have buyers meet first in the office, first to qualify their intentions and their ability to buy, (which I would hope all professionals do, always...) I always made these appointments during business hours where other agents and admin staff would be present. The buyers have to produce photo ID that is photocopied and kept on file. I sincerely doubt anyone with intentions other than buying a house would consent.
Another thought... the drama your partner/agent created, having the husband 'guard' her will cause a lot of clients to hire a male agent in the first place. It is an agent's job to protect the clients from unqualified, unsuitable people coming to their home, not the other way around...I would never have made my clients responsible for protecting me, and would have arranged my own security if necessary. Highly unprofessional, IMO.

Appreciate your point of view but a few discrepancies.... Not sure what your market is, but where I live and work is a fast paced, high end, urban area where it is very common to have buyer calls to see a listing on a Sunday afternoon for that evening -or just about anytime really- and agents here, very top quality professionals I might add, never turn the buyer away if either party is unable to arrange a meeting at the office for ID check at the time. You may find the scenario unprofessional but I can assure you neither this agent nor myself are unprofessional! This is a $2million dollar listing and the owners happen to be best friends with my partner who acted on improvisation in order to not turn down a buyer. It was the sellers idea to stay with her as her friend and client. It turned out the buyer who came with his agent ...loved the home and is now entertaining an offer. The seller is thrilled. As is my partner. Keep in mind as I'm sure you are aware real estate practice is not some monolithic across-the-country standard rigidly adhered to, and each market has its own style of practice and pace. There is no such thing as a blanket "policy" as you indicate that extends across all offices and regions as some Realtor dictate. I've been practicing for decades representing an elite roster of high-profile clientele successfully, and find the "highly unprofessional" critique unwarranted in this case, but you were judging without all the information so that can happen.... We all look out for each other here, as independent contractors. We have had a few serious crime issues, as many areas have, but most of the real estate crimes here have occurred at open houses ironically.
 
It is policy now to have buyers meet first in the office, first to qualify their intentions and their ability to buy, (which I would hope all professionals do, always...) I always made these appointments during business hours where other agents and admin staff would be present. The buyers have to produce photo ID that is photocopied and kept on file. I sincerely doubt anyone with intentions other than buying a house would consent.
Another thought... the drama your partner/agent created, having the husband 'guard' her will cause a lot of clients to hire a male agent in the first place. It is an agent's job to protect the clients from unqualified, unsuitable people coming to their home, not the other way around...I would never have made my clients responsible for protecting me, and would have arranged my own security if necessary. Highly unprofessional, IMO.

Regarding the last part of the quoted post above (bolded and underlined by me)-I do not agree.

As a recent seller/client, staying and for the husband also to be waiting in the car, would not have bothered me one bit I also would not have considered it unprofessional.

Where I lived was rather remote and I met several real estate agents and the one I felt a connection with is the one I chose. I'd much rather have her husband in the car than some strange security man hovering nearby. Where I lived it would have been obvious if someone else was around.
It was a relief for me to know that her husband would be with her.

I also was usually there when my house was shown. Being a single 62 yr old female myself I was glad her husband accompanied her. Maybe others don't pick their agents like I did but it worked for me. I would have never gone with a male agent just because a woman agent's husband came with her for her safety. Just my opinion and how I feel/felt in that situation.
 
Regarding the last part of the quoted post above, I do not agree.

As a recent seller/client, staying and for the husband also to be waiting in the car, would not have bothered me one bit I also would not have considered it unprofessional.

Where I lived was rather remote and I met several real estate agents and the one I felt a connection with is the one I chose. I'd much rather have her husband in the car than some strange security man hovering nearby. Where I lived it would have been obvious if someone else was around.
It was a relief for me to know that her husband would be with her.

I also was usually there when my house was shown. Being a single 62 yr old female myself I was glad her husband accompanied her. Maybe others don't pick their agents like I did but it worked for me. I would have never gone with a male agent just because a woman agent's husband came with her for her safety. Just my opinion and how I feel/felt in that situation.

Thank you, it's different everywhere and each Realtor and client find their comfort zone as individuals do. In this case however -the "husband" was the seller - he and his wife- who are both longtime close friends of my partner and WANTED to be there for the showing with her, insisted in fact. And as I said, the results were excellent and we may be opening escrow on it shortly. :).

In BCs case she was smart to give CC the address and appt times but unfortunately it was too late by the time he made it out to the listing. I have also, when instincts direct me, called a partner or friend or husband while showing a property, and just carried my phone during it, leaving it connected and on, so that person on the other end can hear the whole showing "live" in case anything happens and alert authorities. There are many ways to practice safety. I have never heard of anyone here hiring a security guard to show property however but ...whatever! Lol. I am thinking some martial arts training wouldnt be a bad idea.
 
@nojusticenusa

Just curious if you've heard how CL is doing in jail? Have your friends visited her? Innocent or guilty, I can't help but feel sorry for her.
I'm kind of claustrophobic and the thought of being in a confined space? OH.M.Gee, they'd probably have to sedate me!
 
Oh my! I just got caught up (FINALLY!) Why didn't someone wake me up and tell me you all were here for days with this new information? :bed: SavvyRose and all who thought all along that there was another arrest coming....my hat is off to you all. :clap: I honestly believed that LE had their "man" and that this was his (and only his) twisted and sloppy work. At this point I don't know what to think about the possibility of more people being involved. :thinking: or about motive (??)

There have been at least two dozen posts I wanted to comment on in the last thread and so I am going to basically try and sum it all up the best (and most respectfully) I can in this one.

MOO (and please remember that this is a HUGE MOOOOOOOOO!) LE did not make a hasty arrest when they arrested CL. One MIGHT be justified in claiming that the arrest of AL was quick and hasty (as it came a mere handful of days after BC went missing) but MOO no way did LE feel pressured into making another arrest quickly and without evidence when they arrested CL. MOO (again) whatever proof LE has that ties CL to this murder isn't small and isn't questionable and her arrest, coming so much after AL's arrest, wasn't quick or hasty at all. I do not believe for one second that LE has charged CL with kidnapping and murder just to hold her because they feel like she is innocent but might be withholding some small bits of information from LE. Also, a phone being in her home that she shared with AL wouldn't be enough to arrest her for murder. If she was charged with receiving stolen goods (and the charge is because of BC's phone) then I believe LE has proof that CL received the phone into her possession, not just that someone placed it on her dresser in a room that (I assume) she shared with her husband. With that said, I also know that I would probably feel the same way about protecting my friend and try and think of reasons, no matter how improbable they might be, to convince myself that my friend had absolutely nothing to do with such a heinous and callous crime. NoJustice, you are doing a fine job of trying to point guilt away from your friend, deserved or not. No one should be placed in a situation in which they find themselves interviewing neighbors and associates because their friend is in jail for murder. Her actions, no matter how involved in this crime you believe her to be, have negatively effected everyone in her circle of friends and family and I feel for every one of them.

Something that bothered me when I read it mentioned upthread....if my husband was in jail for kidnapping and murder, I was in the process of having custody of my daughter taken away from me, couldn't pay my bills, and knew it was a possibility that LE would be arresting me as an accomplice to murder, as well, I think that LE confiscating my dirty underwear would be one of my last concerns....unless there is some evidence contained within that she is worried about. I guess we will have to wait and see.

MOO CL was there when BC was murdered and was directly responsible for her kidnapping (maybe she was the one who set up the meeting and lured BC to that house under false pretenses? Another wait and see....) If she was at school the night that BC was kidnapped it doesn't mean she didn't have anything to do with her kidnapping. If I was on the verge of being arrested for murdering someone I would do everything in my power to convince everyone around me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I had NOTHING to do with the murder. If I was a murderer, lying through my teeth wouldn't be a stretch. All I can say about the nature of people is that people can be many different things to many different people. We show people what we want them to see of us. No one is a murderer...until they are.

We also have to remember that (and I say this with all due respect) the story of AL playing video games like any other day just a few short hours after BC's kidnapping is just that, a story from CL. It might be true, or it might be a lie told by someone who murdered and kidnapped someone. He may have been playing video games or he may not have been home or the two of them might have been doing something connected with the murder and kidnapping. We don't know what the true evidence is as it is all sealed. To me, CL's version of what occurred is just as believable as AL's version of what he said occurred, so I am taking it with a grain of salt.

I can definitely agree on one thing, CL made very bad decisions that effected all of her children. I am the same age as she is and would NEVER have put my children in the situation that she put hers in. If she had a great job she didn't need anyone to pay her bills for her. If she needed money, she should have gone back to work. She is a grown woman old enough to know better, or at the very least, old enough to figure it out relatively quickly and get OUT of a bad situation, if for no one else but for her daughter's sake. No way she didn't know the illegal activities that AL was up to. Unless I receive proof otherwise, it is my opinion that there is truth to the rumors about how the two of them were making money illegally online. AL treated her like crap....and she stayed and kept her daughter in that situation. I do not feel sorry for her. I feel sorry that CL's daughter has a mother who put her own needs above the well being of her daughter. It may be harsh but CL is in jail for murder and kidnapping. If she is guilty, she obviously had little regard for her daughter. I keep reading on this thread that CL made one bad decision after another. Perhaps it isn't too much of a stretch to believe that murder was another of those bad decisions she seemed to continually make since meeting AL.

CL was arrested for kidnapping and murder, while I understand some people's needs to stick up for her and try and paint a different picture of her on here, I don't think it is right to post negatively about her ex and her ex's new wife (who are also victims of CL's choices and will have to clean up the mess that she made in her daughter's life) when neither are sitting in jail charged with murder and kidnapping a stranger. CL AND AL are charged with the same exact crime. I think equally of both of them and will continue to unless one of them is released and their charges are dropped.

The later arrest of CL leads me also to believe that DNA and/or other forensic evidence is what is tying her to the crime.

Do we know if CL's car was one of the items that were taken by LE? We know LE has CL's dirty underwear and BC's phone....do we know what else they removed from the home?

I don't know the area around those parts at all so I would have to refer to those of you on here who live there. If there was a crime scene separate from the burial site, from the house that was for sale, and from CL's home how likely would it have hit the news? I assume we would have heard about it but want to make sure that the locals would agree. If there was no other "crime scene" then her death had to have occurred either at the For Sale home, in a transport vehicle, at CL's home, or at the burial location (as these are the areas we know LE has focused on throughout their investigation.)

Last, I have to agree with everyone who said it much better than I am about to...BC is the victim here (and her family and her friends.) Not AL. Not CL. AL & CL (for whatever reason) chose to kidnap and murder a woman much, much better than them. Makes me sick to my stomach. (And I believe we can post our opinion as such without being a lynch mob wanting to tar and feather someone without their due date in court.) Bottom line, it is Beverly that did not deserve what happened at the hands of those two. I believe that LE knows what they are doing and that BOTH AL & CL are exactly where they belong. I may be wrong (as I have been in the past) but if both are, indeed, guilty of their charges, I hope they rot in jail for what they did to Beverly and her family.
 
I'm new-ish here, but is it typical for friends of the accused to come to the boards to defend them? I feel like we've lost focus on Beverly being the victim here and it's all about keeping CL's name out of the mud (too late, IMO).
 
I'm new-ish here, but is it typical for friends of the accused to come to the boards to defend them? I feel like we've lost focus on Beverly being the victim here and it's all about keeping CL's name out of the mud (too late, IMO).

It isn't typical, but nojustice is "defending" her friend in a very fair and level headed way. IMO, she has an extremely open mind about the facts here.
 
I'm new-ish here, but is it typical for friends of the accused to come to the boards to defend them? I feel like we've lost focus on Beverly being the victim here and it's all about keeping CL's name out of the mud (too late, IMO).

I'm new too, but I think any "insider" to the case has value here -in being able to shed light on at least their version of the "facts" and characters involved, and as with any friend of an accused you can take it with any amount of salt required and filter out the natural urge to defend from the information pertinent to the case. I think NJ is in a tough place and trying to remain unbiased, balanced and open.. but it's not a natural or easy position to take when your friend is the one charged. I agree though about focus on Beverly, which this plays into as information-gathering....in wanting to solve the mystery and see the justice served.
 
I'm new too, but I think any "insider" to the case has value here -in being able to shed light on at least their version of the "facts" and characters involved, and as with any friend of an accused you can take it with any amount of salt required and filter out the natural urge to defend from the information pertinent to the case. I think NJ is in a tough place and trying to remain unbiased, balanced and open.. but it's not a natural or easy position to take when your friend is the one charged. I agree though about focus on Beverly, which this plays into as information-gathering....in wanting to solve the mystery and see the justice served.
I agree with you. I'm also new to WS.
Keep in mind nojusticenusa is not only a friend to CL, but was also a friend of BC.
IMO I think everyone should be allowed to voice their opinions---pro or con. Is that not what will be done in court?
I don't think any of us will ever forget the fact BC was the victim or that a very sweet, beautiful wife, mother and grandma lost her life so unnecessarily---no matter if comments are pro or con.
 
Nojustice, about Beverly.

Was she well known in town? Well liked? How many people live in your town?
 
Just curious..... does anyone know where AL was from Friday to Sunday before his wreck? I know it has been said CL stayed somewhere else all weekend - has it crossed anyone else's mind that maybe CL wasn't home because she was somewhere maybe "babysitting" BC? Just a thought ...... IMOO it could be possible.
 
Just curious..... does anyone know where AL was from Friday to Sunday before his wreck? I know it has been said CL stayed somewhere else all weekend - has it crossed anyone else's mind that maybe CL wasn't home because she was somewhere maybe "babysitting" BC? Just a thought ...... IMOO it could be possible.

Nojustice said CL was with her ex boyfriend and LE has already questioned him---he wasn't too happy about being questioned.

I have not read anything anywhere about AL's whereabouts other than Sat. night he was on Plenty of Fish dating website and the wreck on Sunday morning.
 
I have a question about (alleged) perpetrator's rights. At what point does CL (and AL) have a right to know what evidence led to their arrest? I would think that it has to be disclosed to prisoners and their attorneys at some point, right?? (Thinking of the Heather Elvis case, too.)
 
The Metropolitian area of Luttle Rock is populated at around 500,000. Beverly Carter was well known. She advertised intensely. Her family came from a church of about 2000 people in North Little Rock. Her son has performed in local theatre for many years and is also very active in the marathon scene. Many knew her from him. Her husband also had a successful business. Beverly was a very warm and kind person. She always made people feel special. Her and her husband were a very loving and affectionate couple. True love. She was a special person and is missed greatly by everyone who knew her.
 
Nojustice, about Beverly.

Was she well known in town? Well liked? How many people live in your town?

I have never heard anything bad about BC until the rumors AFTER she was murdered which as I have said I will not be posting because they are rumors as far as I am concerned. It depends on what town you are referring to as to the number. There are many towns around this area that are all sort of connected. Scott (where Beverly lived is a very small rural area). Cabot (where body was found is bigger than Scott) but not as big as Jacksonville (address of AL and CL) although they really lived in what is considered Gravel Ridge (small area that is under the Sherwood police watch). There is also North Little Rock (bigger town) that is where BC worked and the realty office was located. I know confusing, right?

I am not here to take any focus off BC or what has happened to her. I want justice for her because everyone deserves justice in situations like this one. I know some of you sound angry that I am here and voicing my opinion. I'm sorry you don't like what I have to say but please know that IF I find out I am wrong about CL, I will be the first one to come here and admit it. Until then I will continue to be her voice to defend her since she is unable to do so from behind bars. I 100% believe she is innocent of any charge of kidnapping or murder. I'm still out on any other involvement, such as giving him money when he was on the run or some other stupid thing she may have done to aid AL prior to realizing he was involved in this (when I say aid, I mean a ride to somewhere, NOT help him kill BC or hide her body…let's be clear on that). Remember things happened quickly and he was on the run and captured before they actually found the body and his statements on tv admitting to the kidnapping.

As to my intentions for CL. I am here for the truth. I spoke to my friend today that was the friend who originally got the attorney involved for CL. My friend spoke to the attorney and was told to tell CL's friends to keep supporting her and that they would not end up with "egg on their face" for having believed in her. I'm reading between the lines that the attorney does not think she is guilty of murder or kidnapping. I have no reason to believe my friend would make that up. She is a good and honest person as far as my dealing with her. I believe the attorney told her those words.
 
I have a question about (alleged) perpetrator's rights. At what point does CL (and AL) have a right to know what evidence led to their arrest? I would think that it has to be disclosed to prisoners and their attorneys at some point, right?? (Thinking of the Heather Elvis case, too.)

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-when-the-prosecution-must-disclose.html

Is there a particular period of time prior to trial when the defense is supposed to engage in discovery?
Not really. Prosecutors can’t disclose all discovery on the eve of trial, but on the other hand, they don’t have to divulge it all way ahead of time. Discovery can unfold gradually. For example, a defendant’s attorney might receive a copy of the police report at the first court appearance, but might not receive a prosecution expert’s written analysis of blood evidence until shortly before trial.
 
Just curious..... does anyone know where AL was from Friday to Sunday before his wreck? I know it has been said CL stayed somewhere else all weekend - has it crossed anyone else's mind that maybe CL wasn't home because she was somewhere maybe "babysitting" BC? Just a thought ...... IMOO it could be possible.

person she stayed with was questioned and verified where she was. he was quite upset that she got him involved in this by staying at his house. Of course at the time she didn't realize there was anything to get him involved in.
 
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