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http://time.com/3918215/modesty-culture-rape-culture/
The Troubling Connection Between Modesty Culture and Rape Culture
If it’s the responsibility of the woman to keep the man “in check,” then if he crosses the line, doesn’t that suggest she’s at fault?

This isn't MSM so I'm not sure how acceptable it is, but it's an extremely accurate portrayal of exactly what Gothard/IBLP teaches.

recoveringgrace.org/2013/04/how-counseling-sexual-abuse-blames-and-shames-survivors/

Ah! MSM source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/duggars-homeschooling-sex-abuse_n_7445238.html

Short answer: Yes, the blame is almost entirely on the victim's shoulders.
 
By the way, these sex obsessed quiverers have even twisted the derivation of the word woman, as well as twisting the value of female human being to be limited to her fertility and ability to endure multiple pregnancies.



http://virtuallinguist.typepad.com/the_virtual_linguist/2013/05/womb-man.html

I find the term womb-man repugnant and another attempt to erase the importance of the feminine.
I can't even say how disgusting this is to me or I would be permanently banned.
 
pass the barf bag

just wanted to add, MD and JBD say that Josh got the help he needed, through their guidance, but he didn't. The fact that he couldn't resist watching *advertiser censored* while at work on that guy's election team shows he has a long-lasting, compelling desire to have sex all around him at all times. I mean, you're at work surrounded by fundamentalists and you just can't keep your hands off the *advertiser censored* button!?
The picture of him holding his very young daughter gives me the willies. That was his MO then, and probably is now. No wonder the child protection people want in.
 
The parents probably monitored his internet usage and his best chance of viewing *advertiser censored* was at work.
 
The parents probably monitored his internet usage and his best chance of viewing *advertiser censored* was at work.

or at that cop's house that was supposed to be counselling him, the one who got in trouble somehow ?
 
This isn't MSM so I'm not sure how acceptable it is, but it's an extremely accurate portrayal of exactly what Gothard/IBLP teaches.

recoveringgrace.org/2013/04/how-counseling-sexual-abuse-blames-and-shames-survivors/

Ah! MSM source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/duggars-homeschooling-sex-abuse_n_7445238.html

Short answer: Yes, the blame is almost entirely on the victim's shoulders.

I would suggest that folks read the pages from that link above that take you to "Lessons from Moral Failures in a Family". While the family in that section is NOT the Duggars, the story is pretty much the same as the Duggars. It also sheds light onto how the Duggar girls would be treated after their brother molested them.

MOO
 
I think as this unfolds, we are going to see the Duggars, and their associates, come unravelled at the seams, and somewhere in all this will be another Jim Baker/etc-type of scandal. Everyone here has been amazing at connecting the dots with all these people and different groups! Can I go even further and say, the dots connected here are ahead of the curve?
usually, I am not gleeful when people get in trouble. That is not nice. But there's a special place in my psyche for religious people who want to control things. Just the way MD was so super smug about the way she did everything.
Sure, they love everybody, even sinners, like gays, etc, so they say. Have we any idea what would happen if these P/Q nuts ever actually gained control of our govt? I think we do!
The King James version they adhere to without ever swerving is probably the worst translation...why would King James be so misogynous? Let's see, his girl cousin cut off his mother's head, a mother who abandoned him and ran off with a lover. Do these P/Q families have any idea that he was rumored to be gay as a goose, although he was a father....?
Yes, if the Duggars and their theo/political ****s ever got in control, lots of people would be in hot water, including myself and my child, being a gay mother, and maybe that's why taking potshots at the Duggars is one of the guiltiest fun things I do and read about. That, and they deserve what they are getting. The King James is full of karma-like sayings, but like the catholics that caused so much trouble for me as a child, the protestant fundies tend to stay away from Proverbs. people might just see too much of a contrast if they went there.
Just like the nuns just hated the Song of Solomon, I bet the Duggars never, ever went there because the female body was glorified.
Anyway, let's follow this thing wherever it can possibly go and expose these criminals to
humanity and hopefully they can be redeemed and possibly be good parents to the remaining minor children (NOT!) lol

Telling those that believe the King James VERSION of the Bible is the one true version the truth about King James I is like talking to a brick wall. Never mind the fact that at the time of King James deciding that a new VERSION of the Bible was needed that an English translation of the Bible already existed and was used for many years.....the Geneva Bible. I haven't even tried to explain to my parents about King James being gay.
 
Telling those that believe the King James VERSION of the Bible is the one true version the truth about King James I is like talking to a brick wall. Never mind the fact that at the time of King James deciding that a new VERSION of the Bible was needed that an English translation of the Bible already existed and was used for many years.....the Geneva Bible. I haven't even tried to explain to my parents about King James being gay.

^^what she said^^

yeah, with the Geneva Bible, women were let in as preachers, prophets and started issuing pamphlets, etc in their own right. James ascended to the throne and it was like, OK, love the new religion but these women have to go...scholars, courtiers and poets (even Shakespeare, it is rumored) fell all over themselves to rewrite the Bible for him.
Maybe the Duggars and their ilk like him for his patriarchal quiverism: misogynist who fathered 8 children.

p.s. I think we both agree that it's not about James I being gay--but that the Duggar's hate gays. (even tho they say they love them, lol)
 
I would suggest that folks read the pages from that link above that take you to "Lessons from Moral Failures in a Family". While the family in that section is NOT the Duggars, the story is pretty much the same as the Duggars. It also sheds light onto how the Duggar girls would be treated after their brother molested them.

MOO
“Lessons From Moral Failures In A Family” was distributed in the late 1990s, according to a post by Recovering Grace. A police report indicates that the first time Josh Duggar was accused of molesting a girl was in 2002, so it’s unlikely that the story is about the Duggar family. snipped from your article.

Isolate a kid from the general public, obsess him with sex, empower him and his male
counterparts over the womenfolk, shake well and you have a recipe for molestation
which is most likely shared by all of P/Q men. Oh to be a fly on the wall when these
blowhards meet for non-alcoholic beverages to decide whom to marry off their sons to.

also, wanted to add, how weird is it that the GIRLShad to lock themselves into their room. If anyone deserves to be locked in, how about the OFFENDER being locked in and the women feeling free to walk around their own house? IOW, if they failed to lock out the roaming incestual molester, oops, they get what they deserve for being such a forgetful womb-man.
 
Just my opinion, but Jim Bob and his ilk could probably have found a way to justify patriarchy and the subjugation of women from an interpretation of the ingredients list on a bag of potato chips
 
I have read, around the web, where some are giving Josh so many excuses for the crimes he committed. In fact, it makes me sick. Some examples I have seen: He was just a kid! Maybe the girls were curious too and let him experiment on them! Boys will be boys! It was YEARS ago, give it up and forget about it! It's because of the way he was raised, in that super strict home with that super strict religion, so it isn't his fault!

Let's take them one at a time.

Josh was 14 during his first crime and at 15 he was still continuing with his criminal behavior. That is NOT just a child and he knew what he was doing was wrong, hence the reason behind molesting some of the girls when they were asleep.

One of his victims was FIVE years old at the time. There is no way in hello that a FIVE year old is going to be curious and allow her much older brother to experiment on her. Period. The other girls (all of them) have all been taught, along with the boys, that sex before marriage is a no no. Kissing, holding hands, before marriage is a no no. No way in hello would those girls give Josh the go ahead to molest them. And how many times where the girls asleep during their attacks? How many people can consent while asleep? The answer, none!

The "boys will be boys" argument is one that needs to be forever banned from anyone's minds and/or lips. It is past time that we understand that males are not the more important sex while females are the lesser sex. Both are equal, both are deserving of protection from assault, abuse and/or molestation. Josh knew what he was doing was wrong, only "confessed" to his parents when they were told by one of his victims, and yet continued with his criminal behavior because of the lack of punishment he received.

I don't give a carp if it was 30 years ago. A crime is a crime and his victims are still suffering. Josh has never paid for his crimes and believes that it was "no big deal". Josh needs to have limited access to his own daughters because of his past. Who is to say that he has not reoffended since then? Simply because no other victims have come out of the woodwork (yet) does not mean that there aren't more.

It doesn't matter how strict one's home life and/or religion is, you (general) know what is right and what is wrong. Josh knew it was wrong. But his own sisters?!?! Really? Why? They didn't dress "modestly enough"? They are simply there for man's pleasure? Every brother knows that it is not just wrong but sick to touch their sister like that. So does Josh.

Some people want to blame Michelle and Jim Bob more than they blame Josh. IMO that is wrong. The "parents" are to blame for how they handled (or didn't) the situation after the fact. They get plenty of blame for that. Josh is to blame solely for what he did. His parents didn't make him do it. His sisters and that family friend didn't make him do it. Josh is having "issues" now that his past has come to haunt him. I do not feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for his sisters, that family friend, his children (especially his two daughters) and to some extent his wife.

Anna needs to stop with the lies and standing by her man. Her time line does not add up as to Josh telling her and her parents about what happened. Anna needs to put her children, and their safety, above her own wants/needs and make sure that they are well taken care of. If that means divorcing Josh, she needs to do it. Enough with the covering for a male that is grown and needs to admit what his crimes are, BEG for forgiveness from his victims and pay for his crimes.

MOO
 
Just my opinion, but Jim Bob and his ilk could probably have found a way to justify patriarchy and the subjugation of women from an interpretation of the ingredients list on a bag of potato chips

awesome! soooootrue
 
^^what she said^^

yeah, with the Geneva Bible, women were let in as preachers, prophets and started issuing pamphlets, etc in their own right. James ascended to the throne and it was like, OK, love the new religion but these women have to go...scholars, courtiers and poets (even Shakespeare, it is rumored) fell all over themselves to rewrite the Bible for him.
Maybe the Duggars and their ilk like him for his patriarchal quiverism: misogynist who fathered 8 children.

p.s. I think we both agree that it's not about James I being gay--but that the Duggar's hate gays. (even tho they say they love them, lol)

Slightly OT

Concerning your PS. It amuses me that so many that hold the King James Version of the Bible to be the one true Bible have such a hatred of gays and believe that it is a sin as defined in the Bible when King James himself was an open gay.
 
I have read, around the web, where some are giving Josh so many excuses for the crimes he committed. In fact, it makes me sick. Some examples I have seen: He was just a kid! Maybe the girls were curious too and let him experiment on them! Boys will be boys! It was YEARS ago, give it up and forget about it! It's because of the way he was raised, in that super strict home with that super strict religion, so it isn't his fault!

Let's take them one at a time.

Josh was 14 during his first crime and at 15 he was still continuing with his criminal behavior. That is NOT just a child and he knew what he was doing was wrong, hence the reason behind molesting some of the girls when they were asleep.

One of his victims was FIVE years old at the time. There is no way in hello that a FIVE year old is going to be curious and allow her much older brother to experiment on her. Period. The other girls (all of them) have all been taught, along with the boys, that sex before marriage is a no no. Kissing, holding hands, before marriage is a no no. No way in hello would those girls give Josh the go ahead to molest them. And how many times where the girls asleep during their attacks? How many people can consent while asleep? The answer, none!

The "boys will be boys" argument is one that needs to be forever banned from anyone's minds and/or lips. It is past time that we understand that males are not the more important sex while females are the lesser sex. Both are equal, both are deserving of protection from assault, abuse and/or molestation. Josh knew what he was doing was wrong, only "confessed" to his parents when they were told by one of his victims, and yet continued with his criminal behavior because of the lack of punishment he received.

I don't give a carp if it was 30 years ago. A crime is a crime and his victims are still suffering. Josh has never paid for his crimes and believes that it was "no big deal". Josh needs to have limited access to his own daughters because of his past. Who is to say that he has not reoffended since then? Simply because no other victims have come out of the woodwork (yet) does not mean that there aren't more.

It doesn't matter how strict one's home life and/or religion is, you (general) know what is right and what is wrong. Josh knew it was wrong. But his own sisters?!?! Really? Why? They didn't dress "modestly enough"? They are simply there for man's pleasure? Every brother knows that it is not just wrong but sick to touch their sister like that. So does Josh.

Some people want to blame Michelle and Jim Bob more than they blame Josh. IMO that is wrong. The "parents" are to blame for how they handled (or didn't) the situation after the fact. They get plenty of blame for that. Josh is to blame solely for what he did. His parents didn't make him do it. His sisters and that family friend didn't make him do it. Josh is having "issues" now that his past has come to haunt him. I do not feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for his sisters, that family friend, his children (especially his two daughters) and to some extent his wife.

Anna needs to stop with the lies and standing by her man. Her time line does not add up as to Josh telling her and her parents about what happened. Anna needs to put her children, and their safety, above her own wants/needs and make sure that they are well taken care of. If that means divorcing Josh, she needs to do it. Enough with the covering for a male that is grown and needs to admit what his crimes are, BEG for forgiveness from his victims and pay for his crimes.

MOO

wanted to say that by my "recipe for molestation" I was not giving Josh a mulligan but pointing out that the menfolk in this P/Q organization willfully and purposely set themselves up to be able, and to enable, this incestuous and illegal behavior. Just as you say Josh knows right from wrong, and I agree totally, so do these older men (and their enabling wives) know that it's going on, and heck, they did it too.
In your link, the boy guilty of incest says that his dad brought it up a couple of times, sort of hinted at it but he didn't take up the conversation, but said he thought the next time his dad hinted, he would discuss what he was doing.
Hinted? What kind of father "hints" about such a thing? I tell you what kind: the kind who takes this sort of thing lightly because it happens all of the time.
 
Just my opinion, but Jim Bob and his ilk could probably have found a way to justify patriarchy and the subjugation of women from an interpretation of the ingredients list on a bag of potato chips

QUOTE=TorisMom003;11926271]Slightly OT

Concerning your PS. It amuses me that so many that hold the King James Version of the Bible to be the one true Bible have such a hatred of gays and believe that it is a sin as defined in the Bible when King James himself was an open gay.[/QUOTE]

yes totally ironic. Especially when you consider how they view social media, and really, the whole world practically, as an evil empire just waiting to adversely affect their children
when it's really just right there in their homes.

Montjoy is totally correct about the potato chip bag, really anything could trigger their inanity. The whole thing about the women yelling "Nike!" for the men to look down.
One could have a really irreverant holiday with the fact they are telling the womenfolk to check out the *advertiser censored* and thighs of the jezebels while jogging. Do the menfolk then check out the bulging crotches of the male joggers for the women? Why not just jog on by? and no one check out the bodies of anyone else?
Fundie-run Chick Fil-A has a manager's guide. (saw it with own eyes). In it, they tell a manager to ask female employees to stand in front of them, and to spend at least 5 minutes judging their appearance. It has a sillouette and the body is marked off like head, torso, and legs. They say about the torso, something like, "spend a lot of time studying the torso for violations." I had to be a manager on duty once at Chick Fil-A as
part of being one of the managers of the entire student union. The manager of Chick FA
opened a sandwich to show me how his workers had the pickles touching on a chicken sandwich. He said, and I quote, "We want our pickles dating, not mating!" So I shot back "So you want them courting, not sporting!" He turned me in to the GM and he asked me about it (actually he couldn't have cared less!) and I said, well, he was the one who talked about pickles f$#^ing, I was just trying to speak his language. and we both had a laugh.
 
Telling those that believe the King James VERSION of the Bible is the one true version the truth about King James I is like talking to a brick wall. Never mind the fact that at the time of King James deciding that a new VERSION of the Bible was needed that an English translation of the Bible already existed and was used for many years.....the Geneva Bible. I haven't even tried to explain to my parents about King James being gay.

Don't break their hearts. ;)
 
wanted to say that by my "recipe for molestation" I was not giving Josh a mulligan but pointing out that the menfolk in this P/Q organization willfully and purposely set themselves up to be able, and to enable, this incestuous and illegal behavior. Just as you say Josh knows right from wrong, and I agree totally, so do these older men (and their enabling wives) know that it's going on, and heck, they did it too.
In your link, the boy guilty of incest says that his dad brought it up a couple of times, sort of hinted at it but he didn't take up the conversation, but said he thought the next time his dad hinted, he would discuss what he was doing.
Hinted? What kind of father "hints" about such a thing? I tell you what kind: the kind who takes this sort of thing lightly because it happens all of the time.

BBM: Exactly!!!
 
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