Identified! AR- West Memphis -"Laundry Lady" WhtFem 643UFAR, 45-60, Sep'87 No Name Available

[Brains & NoBull]

I see a striking similarity between Rose and this unidentified victim, particularly in the marking on her cheek.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1392/janedoebe5.jpg

I do see other similarities in the markings above her nose and between the eyebrows, but the photos are too pixelated to be 100% certain. I do wish that there were additional ME photographs.

 

[Julessleuther]

You are right-similar birth marks, I did not even notice that! the eye brows, and nose shape are almost right on too. I would be so surprised it this was NOT Rose.

I see a striking similarity between Rose and this unidentified victim, particularly in the marking on her cheek.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1392/janedoebe5.jpg

I do see other similarities in the markings above her nose and between the eyebrows, but the photos are too pixelated to be 100% certain. I do wish that there were additional ME photographs.

 

[believe09]

I see a striking similarity between Rose and this unidentified victim, particularly in the marking on her cheek.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1392/janedoebe5.jpg

I do see other similarities in the markings above her nose and between the eyebrows, but the photos are too pixelated to be 100% certain. I do wish that there were additional ME photographs.

You are right-similar birth marks, I did not even notice that! the eye brows, and nose shape are almost right on too. I would be so surprised it this was NOT Rose.

I received an email from Grayson PD (this is where Rosie's case was entered) and they are reviewing the photos. I will update when I get more information!

 

[dearmont]

I believe you have a match to Rose! Rose had a mole on the bridge of her nose - the photo of poor LL that has been posted on DOE that we've been looking at was flipped. You can clearly see the mole on the bridge of her nose when the photo is flipped back.

 

[Julespa]

Can someone do a side by side with Rose and Laundry lady? If I could figure out how to do it I would but alas I am on a work computer that doesn't allow me to do much of anything. I really think this is Rose, perhaps Laundry Ladies picture was scanned from a negative hence why it is backwards? Just a thought

 

[dearmont]

Here ya go!

 

[Brains & NoBull]

Images without the circles.

Side by side with ME photo reversed: http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1170/janedoephotoreversedaw5.jpg

Side by side as photos appear on websites: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6809/janedoewebphotoshd0.jpg

The resemblance is uncanny. It must be her.

Edit:
I Googled the distance between her hometown of Whitesboro, TX and Crittenden County, AR. It is 397 miles.

Seven years and nearly 400 miles from home. If this is Rose, I wonder what happened to her during that span of time.

 

[Julespa]

Thanks Brains & No Bull, it is really looking like she may be Rose, the mole and birthmark are in the same spot. I am thinking since the photo is old they probably scanned from the nagative from the film and that would reverse the image. Scanning a negative from the back instead of the front of a negative would reverse the image definately. I used to scan negatives for my job and several times scanned them from the back and all the type on the negative would read backwards

 

[Brains & NoBull]

I could not access www.rosebakermissing.com, but I did find a cached index page from 2007 via Web Archive.

The page can be viewed here, http://web.archive.org/web/20071215004434/http://rosebakermissing.com/index.html

The page states:

Rose Ann Baker disappeared from the United States June 1980. Police suspect foul play. Rose was living in North Texas at the time she disappeared.

Rose's husband states an unknown female contacted him months later and told him that Rose was living in Australia and she was fine. No one, including her daughter and her siblings, has heard from Rose since she disappeared.

Very curious.

 

[believe09]

I see a striking similarity between Rose and this unidentified victim, particularly in the marking on her cheek.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1392/janedoebe5.jpg

I do see other similarities in the markings above her nose and between the eyebrows, but the photos are too pixelated to be 100% certain. I do wish that there were additional ME photographs.

You are right-similar birth marks, I did not even notice that! the eye brows, and nose shape are almost right on too. I would be so surprised it this was NOT Rose.

I could not access www.rosebakermissing.com, but I did find a cached index page from 2007 via Web Archive.

The page can be viewed here, http://web.archive.org/web/20071215004434/http://rosebakermissing.com/index.html

The page states:
Very curious.

So, I can throw a little light here-Rosie disappeared about one week after the birth of her grandchild. None of her surviving children believed for a hot second that she would do this voluntarily. In 2007, they persuaded the Sheriff's office in Grayson, TX to "re-open" this inactive/cold case. The sheriff's office consulted the FBI, took some cadaver dogs out to the home she disappeared from, and low and behold they found what appeared to be a grave under the house.

The cadaver dogs did NOT alert, and there were no remains in the dirt. Nothing.

Rosie's children were swabbed for DNA which is why a profile exists for her in CODIS on the MtDNA database.

Odd story, huh? Now, there is no real medical history for her on file, such as did she suffer from mental illness, was she prone to blackouts etc. There is some information that indicates she did have a tendency to disappear when things were difficult for her. She usually surfaced after a while.

 

[amethyst]

Maybe this is a strange question-if she has upper and lower dentures why would she use a toothbrush and toothpaste? Do people with dentures use them? I thought they were soaked in a cleaning solution. Luckily, I have none so I don't know how it works.

 

[capoly]

So, I can throw a little light here-Rosie disappeared about one week after the birth of her grandchild. None of her surviving children believed for a hot second that she would do this voluntarily. In 2007, they persuaded the Sheriff's office in Grayson, TX to "re-open" this inactive/cold case. The sheriff's office consulted the FBI, took some cadaver dogs out to the home she disappeared from, and low and behold they found what appeared to be a grave under the house.

The cadaver dogs did NOT alert, and there were no remains in the dirt. Nothing.

Rosie's children were swabbed for DNA which is why a profile exists for her in CODIS on the MtDNA database.

Odd story, huh? Now, there is no real medical history for her on file, such as did she suffer from mental illness, was she prone to blackouts etc. There is some information that indicates she did have a tendency to disappear when things were difficult for her. She usually surfaced after a while.

(my bold)


Wonder if the grave was dug in preparation? Perhaps some behavior or action gave Rose reason to check the area and what she saw gave her reason to flee. If she did have a tendency to disappear when things were difficult for her than such a find could well have pushed her over the edge. While we don't know her story, we do know that women in abusive relationships are often not able to see beyond their fear to reach for help.

 

[capoly]

Maybe this is a strange question-if she has upper and lower dentures why would she use a toothbrush and toothpaste? Do people with dentures use them? I thought they were soaked in a cleaning solution. Luckily, I have none so I don't know how it works.

Believe soaking is preferred but both soaking & brushing can serve the purpose. If she was homeless than toothbrush & paste would seem the way to go.


ETA Not strange question at all...IMO lends more light on LL if personal hygiene was part of her mindset.

 

[JaneInOz]

Maybe this is a strange question-if she has upper and lower dentures why would she use a toothbrush and toothpaste? Do people with dentures use them? I thought they were soaked in a cleaning solution. Luckily, I have none so I don't know how it works.

I did a post in reply to SS and I just want to say I was not being rude to anyone. My post however was deleted

Amethyst that is a very good question. I grind my teeth and wear a splint and you have to use the same soaking agent as dentures . You can brush them but you mustnt use toothpaste.

But as capoly pointed out maybe LL didn't have a choice.
The Picture of Rose is incredibly alike to LL when LL's photo was flipped back like that..Excellent pick up on that photo being flipped like that

There ARE fingerprints on file for LL as per the link I gave

Are there fingerprints for Rose ?

 

[JaneInOz]

Ok found this link on Rose also

http://www.nampn.org/cases/baker_rose_a.html
This has more photos as well.

States that there is no DNA and no fingerprints

But interesting it also says

The case has been reopened since January of 2007 and being invetigated as a homicide

.


This I find very interesting . Why ? why was it reopened in 2007 ? what made them decide to investigate it as a homicide ?

Because if that is the case and they are looking at the husband for this as a murder , then A) it could be that he tracked her down and killed her
Or B) had someone do it
or C) LE have some other kind of proof that he killed her and that Rose will therefore not be LL

I also wonder WHY the Website was taken down ? and when ? was it AFTER LE re-opened it ? I think it probably was

Interesting how the husband said about some mystery woman calling and saying Rose was in Australia

Isnt that what all murderers Do on tv shows LOL when ever I see something they always say "they've gone to Australia"

 

[believe09]

LL has a fingerprint card-ME had it in his hand when we spoke.

Rosie does not have any prints on file-Grayson said that she was a lovely, upstanding lady with no prints because of run ins with the law, or voluntary. They swabbed her daughter in 2007 and had a DNA profile completed.

There ARE fingerprints on file for LL as per the link I gave

Are there fingerprints for Rose ?

Ok found this link on Rose also

http://www.nampn.org/cases/baker_rose_a.html
This has more photos as well.

States that there is no DNA and no fingerprints

I snipped some of these for length-There are no prints on file for Rosie, but there is MtDNA in CODIS.

 

[amethyst]

I just took a google trip down the north service road and all I see are semi trucks. There are no sidewalks. Just motels and lots of trucks and that sort of thing. I wonder if that's how it was in 1987. I would not walk down that road now, it couldn't have been much better back then.

 

[future criminologist]

so has anyone called that one in as a match?

 

[capoly]

I just took a google trip down the north service road and all I see are semi trucks. There are no sidewalks. Just motels and lots of trucks and that sort of thing. I wonder if that's how it was in 1987. I would not walk down that road now, it couldn't have been much better back then.

It might be the service road was undergoing construction at that time. A DEP complaint over wetlands came up in one of my searches. Would explain the car occupants thinking they had hit a barrel.

so has anyone called that one in as a match?

Believe09 is in contact with both LE for Rose & MedEx for LL.

 

[JaneInOz]

Does anyone know what happened to the People that hit LL with their car ?
Were they charged ?
It would be interesting to know who they were as to whether it was done intentionally or accidentally

I cant recall what time it said she was hit ? at night I could understand them thinking a barrell ? but the day ? thats a bit hard to believe