Are there other victims?

[Leila]

Californian, can you check into the other missing and/or murdered victims for the time period 2003-2006, please? Garrido having unfettered access to the neighbor's house during that time leaves me with a very unsettled feeling. I strongly fear that he kept other victims in that house and/or the shed on the neighboring property.

Thanks for doing up that reference list. I am sure that it will be well-utilized in the coming days.

Knowing that PG spent time in a shed on the property next door makes me think that was the place he took other victims. That would explain why LE cordoned off that property, stated it was a crime scene, brought in cadaver dogs and dug up areas of the backyard.

A bone fragment was found by a cadaver dog. A well-trained cadaver dog will only hit on human remains. With this in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if the bone fragment turns out to be human.

 

[phylliyum]

so, spawn admits he started peeping at girls in 68...

other victims who disappeared in CA between 1968 and 1976 when he was incarcerated... (trying to keep it to that area of CA, but I'm not extremely familiar with California, and who knows that this spawn did on the weekends...) Most of them are teenagers, but who knows that this spawn is capable of...

Christine Marie Easton (http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/eastin_christine.html)

Debra Pscholka (http://charleyproject.org/cases/p/pscholka_debra.html)

Anna Christian Waters (http://charleyproject.org/cases/w/waters_anna.html)

Tracy Lynn Davenport (http://charleyproject.org/cases/d/davenport_tracy.html)

Corinne June Gronenburg (http://charleyproject.org/cases/g/groenenberg_corinne.html)

Lulaida Morales Sejalbo (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/sejalbo_lulaida.html)

Cynthia Lynn Sumpter (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/sumpter_cynthia.html)



I couldn't find the date of his arrest, so I went about half way through 1976.


I'm not saying that he's responsible for all of these, in face he's probably not related to any of them. But it can't hurt to look at him for these cases.... Just because his first known crime wasn't until 1976 doesn't mean that there weren't victims before...

 

[Leila]

From the list in the opening post by Californian:

Lisa Norrell, age 15, Pittsburg, November 06, 1998 (found 8 days later on old Highway 4 near Nav-Let's Garden Center, Pittsburg) (asphyxiated)

On another forum - not a crime forum - a poster said that her family lived in Antioch for many years, and that Minnie Norrell was her mother's hairdresser. Minnie worked in a beauty shop in Concord, but lived in Antioch, on Walnut St. just a few doors down from PG. Lisa Norrell is one of the many unsolved murders in the Antioch area.

 

[thefragile7393]

per Garrido's first wife, he was accused of rape as a teenager. So, if true (I'm sure it is), his first sex crime was pre 1970.

also, does anyone know when he had the "Accident" the one in which he had head trauma and brain surgery??? His father and brother seem to point to the head trauma and surgery as when he went from normal to crazy.

And LSD usage as well.

My rambling thoughts....Ilene and Michaela are just so close together that it would surprise me if those two aren't connected somehow. Whether they are connected to Garrido remains to be seen...they aren't far at all from the home in Antioch. I'm thinking Amanda isn't connected only because of the age difference and that Garrido seemed to prefer older girls...pre-teen to teen and up. It's not impossible of course since we don't know the full scope of his criminal life yet but I'm just basing that on what is curently known about him.

 

[Californian]

so, spawn admits he started peeping at girls in 68...

other victims who disappeared in CA between 1968 and 1976 when he was incarcerated... (trying to keep it to that area of CA, but I'm not extremely familiar with California, and who knows that this spawn did on the weekends...) Most of them are teenagers, but who knows that this spawn is capable of...

Christine Marie Easton (http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/eastin_christine.html)

Debra Pscholka (http://charleyproject.org/cases/p/pscholka_debra.html)

Anna Christian Waters (http://charleyproject.org/cases/w/waters_anna.html)

Tracy Lynn Davenport (http://charleyproject.org/cases/d/davenport_tracy.html)

Corinne June Gronenburg (http://charleyproject.org/cases/g/groenenberg_corinne.html)

Lulaida Morales Sejalbo (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/sejalbo_lulaida.html)

Cynthia Lynn Sumpter (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/sumpter_cynthia.html)



I couldn't find the date of his arrest, so I went about half way through 1976.


I'm not saying that he's responsible for all of these, in face he's probably not related to any of them. But it can't hurt to look at him for these cases.... Just because his first known crime wasn't until 1976 doesn't mean that there weren't victims before...

Thank you very much for this post! I have added all of these girls to the Timeline, except Debra Pscholka as she went missing from Southern California. All the other victims you found went missing from the San Francisco Bay Area, no more than 2-3 hours drive from Antioch/Brentwood.

 

[nursebeeme]

The Timeline is now in its own thread and I'll be updating it there.

Is it important to you guys if I include (credit to: ) the person who posts any details I add to the Timeline, or should I just concentrate on the details themselves?

just my two cents but I say focus on the details... that is hard enough! And thank you again for doinng this! I started a thread on Phillip by his itty bitty lonesome and just posted some back story facts on him there that you might want to include (from the article I pm'd you... also linked on new thread)

 

[phylliyum]

Thank you very much for this post! I have added all of these girls to the Timeline, except Debra Pscholka as she went missing from Southern California. All the other victims you found went missing from the San Francisco Bay Area, no more than 2-3 hours drive from Antioch/Brentwood.

oopps. I thought i took her out (i google mapped the locations as I was doing it since i know NOTHING about California..)

Here are girls who went missing from the area between 1991 - present

Melissa Espinoza (http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/espinoza_melissa.html) - this one I found extremely interesting since there is a good chance Jaycee was pregnant, possibly had just found out she was pregnant, when this happened.

Tera Smith (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_tera.html) - not very likely after reading the summary, but who knows what really happened. Spawn wasn't even a suspect and he was there the whole time. so who knows if that is really what happened.

Vanessa Dawn Smith (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_vanessa.html)

Elsa Janell Wind (http://charleyproject.org/cases/w/wind_elsa.html) (Charley Project lists her as a runaway, but can they really know that for sure? And who knows who she ran into even if she did runaway)

that's all I came up with...but the Charley project had HUNDREDS of cases for the 90s and 2000s...so i used NCMEC to find names and then cross-searched on the Charley Project. I'm sure there are more that NCMEC missed or I missed in my search though. And then there are those who were abducted but have been found.

Do you think Jennifer Klein might be a possibility? She disappeared from a campground in Utah in the 70s...idk just throwing it out there.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

...Anna Christian Waters (http://charleyproject.org/cases/w/waters_anna.html)...

Trust me - we are taking a good look at this guy in relation to Anna. One of the theories of what happened to her involves an abduction attempt by a man and a woman trying to snatch Anna into a vehicle just weeks before she actually disappeared. Anna's brother called me yesterday to tell me that the woman in the couple looked like Nancy Garrido. However, Nancy and Phillip did not meet until years after Anna's kidnapping and there are reports that he was living in Nevada in 1973, not in the Bay Area. Even so, we are following all of the breaking history of this very closely.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Is this the photo you're referring to?
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...cee Dugard/?action=view&current=nancyphil.jpg

If so, the lady is still Nancy only she's much younger as well, and gorgeous. lol

That's it! THANKS!

 

[febedallas]

Or one of her girls It's horrible to even think it.

As far as victims go, I have to wonder if Jaycee's daughters were the only children born out of that hell. Could it be possible that either Jaycee or her older daughter had children that were sold? If so, how would anyone ever find out? Would they be just lost forever?

How believable are the stories about the men and the parties?

Opinions, please.

 

[i.b.nora]

From the list in the opening post by Californian:

Lisa Norrell, age 15, Pittsburg, November 06, 1998 (found 8 days later on old Highway 4 near Nav-Let's Garden Center, Pittsburg) (asphyxiated)

On another forum - not a crime forum - a poster said that her family lived in Antioch for many years, and that Minnie Norrell was her mother's hairdresser. Minnie worked in a beauty shop in Concord, but lived in Antioch, on Walnut St. just a few doors down from PG. Lisa Norrell is one of the many unsolved murders in the Antioch area.

This is very interesting. I made a post in the last day or so about Minnie Norrell having a relative or relatives that live next to the Garrido home.
At the time of Lisa's disappearance and murder they were living on 12th street, I think, in Pittsburg. But, Lisa was walking from that IDES Hall in Antioch. Anyhow, thanks.

 

[Californian]

Pittsburg PD: No evidence of cold-case slayings at Garrido home
By Robert Salonga
Contra Costa Times

Posted: 09/01/2009 02:35:55 PM PDT
Updated: 09/01/2009 02:40:30 PM PDT

PITTSBURG — A four-day search of the Antioch home of Jaycee Dugard kidnapping suspect Phillip Garrido in connection with unsolved slayings in the late 1990s did not find any evidence linking him to the crimes, Pittsburg police said today.

more: http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_13246940

 

[i.b.nora]

So, that's the Pittsburg murders. I think Lisa Norrell is considered an Antioch murder. I could be wrong.

 

[phylliyum]

So, that's the Pittsburg murders. I think Lisa Norrell is considered an Antioch murder. I could be wrong.

Even so, I imagine they will FIND a way to tie him to those murders...

I've also been wondering if there is any connection to the Chia/DaSilva murders in Reno.

Jennifer and Charles Chia were abducted after they got off their school bus in 1989 in Reno, bodies were found in California in 1990.
Monica DaSilva was abducted from her parent's home in Reno in September of 1990. There's not a lot on either case, although there is slightly more on the Chias than on Monicas. I know spawn (PG) has some ties to Nevada...just something to consider, is all.

 

[Californian]

So, that's the Pittsburg murders. I think Lisa Norrell is considered an Antioch murder. I could be wrong.

Lisa disappeared from an Antioch location, but was found 2 1/2 miles down the road in Pittsburg so it is their case. Sadly, another article in todays SF Chronicle cite Pittsburg P.D. as saying they didn't find any evidence of Lisa, either.

I hope this is not the end of their investigation. There are a lot of storage facilities around here; could he have repeated the MO from his first known attack in 1976??

 

[nursebeeme]

Lisa disappeared from an Antioch location, but was found 2 1/2 miles down the road in Pittsburg so it is their case. Sadly, another article in todays SF Chronicle cite Pittsburg P.D. as saying they didn't find any evidence of Lisa, either.

I hope this is not the end of their investigation. There are a lot of storage facilities around here; could he have repeated the MO from his first known attack in 1976??

there is no way on God's green earth that LE has processed all the stuff from that property already. I take that report with a huge grain of salt and wish they would have added "yet" to the article.

ETA: does anyone else think that he could have a dumping ground in another location??? wouldn't surprise me one iota!

 

[Californian]

there is no way on God's green earth that LE has processed all the stuff from that property already. I take that report with a huge grain of salt and wish they would have added "yet" to the article.

ETA: does anyone else think that he could have a dumping ground in another location??? wouldn't surprise me one iota!

Great point, nurse. Whew, I breathed a sigh of relief when you pointed that out. Perhaps the P.D. meant to say there was no "physical evidence" as in more bones. But could CSI really have processed all that stuff scattered everywhere throughout that compound in just 4 days? I don't think it's possible they could be anywhere finished with analyzing everything so how can they say "no evidence?"

Yes, I think he could have a dumping ground elsewhere. That's why I mentioned all the storage facilities around here. Who knows how far this monster's reach went?

 

[Californian]

Phillip Garrido's old workplace: A recycling centre about seven miles from his home

This was originally posted by MissOtk in the Image thread. Seeing this picture, and learning for the first time (one of the places) the monster worked, literally brought tears to my eyes.

He worked at 1501 Loveridge Road, Pittsburg. I assume this is the "industrial area" that has been described (as it is that) in the news.

I haven't mapped it yet, but I can tell you from living in the area all my life, this is close to California Avenue, Harbor Street and 10th Street aka the Pittsburg-Antioch Highway (or Old Highway 4) where Lisa Norell and several of the adult murder victims were found.

Does anyone know when he worked here?

 

[Californian]

I added the Google Map showing where the monster was employed to this post with the maps of where the Pittsburg murder victims were found:

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Is it only a coincidence he worked in the same area the bodies were discovered?

I'm still anxious to hear when he worked there.

EDIT: Hold up. The person who posted the recycling center pic in the Image thread captioned it that he worked there. Researching it now, it appears that they were actually his printing customers (for the last 10 years) and that he didn't actually work at that location. I need to change my 3 recent posts but am too tired right now. Sorry, will do it after I rest this old body.

 

[i.b.nora]

Still, its important in the total scheme of things, since it is a place that he must have gone to on occasion, and was somewhat familiar with the area.
I am not yet convinced that he isn't connected to some of those murders.