Arizona girl, 2, left in car by father on 109-degree day and is found dead #2

[shetalksinstereo]

I have been wondering a few things about CS & 16 -

1. Why did he not know about her until she was 5 y/o? Did mom have concerns about his ability to be a good dad?

2. HOW did he find out about her when she was 5 y/o?

3. Why did he want custody? Was it to punish her mom? Was it to avoid paying child support and possibly force mom to pay HIM child support? Was it an excuse to be a SAHD?

4. Why was he granted custody? Did mom willingly let him have custody - possibly thinking it would be good for them to establish a father-daughter relationship? Did mom have to give in because she didn’t have money for a legal battle with CS who was being supported by ES? Did mom have health (physical or mental) or substance abuse issues? (This is ONLY a thought and I, in no way, want to even remotely suggest mom had any issues. Her daughter clearly lived/loves her and the courts later sided with mom and allowed her to regain custody.)

On a side note, I can speak from experience ONE reason why a mother may want to keep a child from their father. I got pregnant while still in HS & my BF (baby’s dad) was a good kid but had a very dysfunctional & dangerous mother who frequently popped in and out of his life. I chose to cut all ties with him and NOT tell him I was pregnant because of my fear of what my child’s life would be like with this woman even remotely in his life. When my son was 5 y/o (ironically the same age 16 was when her dad found out about her) my ex-BF suddenly tried to come back into my life. It became a very dangerous situation and at that time in my state you could only get a restraining order if you were or had been married or if you had a child together. Since I hadn’t put him on the Birth Certificate, I couldn’t get a restraining order. I was so glad that I hadn’t named him on the Birth Certificate because that would have given him “rights” and being able to get a restraining order (which could easily be violated) and/or being awarded child support was not worth the danger my son would have been in. Looking back I am amazed at how smart I was for being only 16 y/o.

I am glad that you followed your gut when you were 16! I think most 16 yr olds dismiss red flags, they will "fix" the person, or they feel like they are "overthinking it". When you know, you know! I was in an abusive relationship when I was 16. I knew it. My bf was a classic narcissist and everyone loved him, charming, handsome, athletic. I was insecure and felt like he elevated my social standing with my peers and also that i would never get another bf so I stayed...I should have listened to MY gut!

 

[Shamrock1]

I can see so many scenarios, but all of them start with "the mother of the child didn't want CS to raise her daughter, so much that she didn't even tell him." What happened later? Either the mother lost a job and was desperate and had to reach out to CS for help, or she got sick (she died recently, remember?) and could not take care of the daughter. All i see is that she informed CS about the child out of sheer desperation.

If the mother sought benefits for the child, she’d have to disclose the child’s other parent so the state could seek support from him. I don’t know if this is what happened here, but it’s a third possibility. JMO.

 

[Ruby_PA]

Oh, and one of the officers decided to double lock the handcuffs. Interesting, I wonder if CS’ behavior put them on alert?

The 2nd lock is to keep them from closing tighter on the wrists, not as a 2nd lock to keep them locked. They seem to do the double lock on everyone because some who get arrested instantly come down with "Incarceritis" which is "I have a bad back" or "these cuffs are too tight!" or every medical issue under the sun in order to be treated with kid gloves or to insinuate they want to sue or something like that.

 

[Ruby_PA]

I opined earlier about the 59. I think it’s just kids language. How many times? A lot. More than 20? Yes. More than 50? Yes. 59.

59 is a large number. So in translation from kids language, it means a lot. My opinion as a mom.

I really cannot see them filing charges on someone with a random "big" number given by a child. I agree with the other poster who said they try to get as close to the actual number as possible by asking "how often?" if the kid says every day, they count how may days and multiply them by how long it's been etc. If the kid goes to the babysitter 3 days a week and dad leaves them in the car after each time he picks them up and it's been 2 months, it would be 24 times.

 

[BrownRice]

I really cannot see them filing charges on someone with a random "big" number given by a child. I agree with the other poster who said they try to get as close to the actual number as possible by asking "how often?" if the kid says every day, they count how may days and multiply them by how long it's been etc. If the kid goes to the babysitter 3 days a week and dad leaves them in the car after each time he picks them up and it's been 2 months, it would be 24 times.

I think with the texts from ES Saying how many times have I told you ….. and probably other concrete evidence (ie grocery store videos, gas stations) they were able to determine it was not unusual for CS to leave his kids in the car. They definitely didn’t charge him based on “59.” They are just documenting what the kiddos said.

 

[abyquinn]

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I think with the texts from ES Saying how many times have I told you ….. and probably other concrete evidence (ie grocery store videos, gas stations) they were able to determine it was not unusual for CS to leave his kids in the car. They definitely didn’t charge him based on “59.” They are just documenting what the kiddos said.

They also have 16 who wants to testify if this goes to trial. If it doesn’t go to trial, if he takes a plea, would 16 (or anyone) be able to make a victim/witness impact statement? I hope more is going to come out about what CPS found that was bad enough he completely lost custody of 16 but nothing was put in motion to protect the younger 3. How does that work?

I can’t see the little kids testifying against him, no way would CS ES allow that. The LEOs who took the statements? ES’s texts. Knowing this has been going on for 10 years, no telling how many times she’s told him to stop leaving the kids in the car, via text!

 

[aimeea]

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They also have 16 who wants to testify if this goes to trial. If it doesn’t go to trial, if he takes a plea, would 16 (or anyone) be able to make a victim/witness impact statement? I hope more is going to come out about what CPS found that was bad enough he completely lost custody of 16 but nothing was put in motion to protect the younger 3. How does that work?

I can’t see the little kids testifying against him, no way would CS ES allow that. The LEOs who took the statements? ES’s texts. Knowing this has been going on for 10 years, no telling how many times she’s told him to stop leaving the kids in the car, via text!

This makes me wonder if they'll get a warrant for their historical phone records while building this case out (I don't think they've explicitly said but so far it's sounded like they just had seized the device itself which might not contain the full history)

 

[Angelcat13]

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They also have 16 who wants to testify if this goes to trial. If it doesn’t go to trial, if he takes a plea, would 16 (or anyone) be able to make a victim/witness impact statement? I hope more is going to come out about what CPS found that was bad enough he completely lost custody of 16 but nothing was put in motion to protect the younger 3. How does that work?

I can’t see the little kids testifying against him, no way would CS ES allow that. The LEOs who took the statements? ES’s texts. Knowing this has been going on for 10 years, no telling how many times she’s told him to stop leaving the kids in the car, via text!

If CS takes a plea deal and 16 doesn’t get the chance to testify as she has expressed wanting to do, I really hope she can give an impact statement. I 100% believe that the Court (and public) should hear what she has to say about what she had to endure and how it has affected her since it gives insight into what poor little Parker went through. I also think it would be psychologically good for her to be able to stand up to him and hopefully put the figurative nails in his coffin.

 

[al66pine]

Crim. Charges Based on Dau's "59 times"

I really cannot see them filing charges on someone with a random "big" number given by a child.....

snipped for focus. @Ruby_PA
Interpreting significance of the "59" or random big number differently.
LE did not file charges BASED on a child saying ES did that 59 times imo.

Even w'out stmt(s) by the dau(s) about multiple times, imo LE had sufficient evd of elements of both offences & to charge him w homicide & child abuse.
Not saying that the evd LE & prosecutor had at that point would be sufficient for a jury to convict.

Whether either or both dau's will/would testify in ct is an altogether different question.
Likely imo the interviews w the girls were audio & video recorded.
Also likely there will be pre-trial motions about admissibility of recordings and judge will decide whether the recordings will be played for jury. If recordings are admitted, jury as decider of fact can determine credibility of dau's stmts and decide how much weight to those stmts.
imo

 

[airportwoman]

Thanks for the updates. This case needs to stay bumped to the top.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

 

[abyquinn]

Thanks for sharing this Life. For those here who missed CS’s Arrest or Arrangement videos, or the 1st responders in their house. Everything, including some of 16’s comments, all in one place. It just made me angry all over again.

There are thousands of comments, the majority, expressing their disbelief of ES letting him care for their girls despite knowing of his alcohol use, DUI w/minors in the car & leaving the girls in the car unattended. Ugh.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

Thanks for sharing this Life. For those here who missed CS’s Arrest or Arrangement videos, or the 1st responders in their house. Everything, including some of 16’s comments, all in one place. It just made me angry all over again.

There are thousands of comments, the majority, expressing their disbelief of ES letting him care for their girls despite knowing of his alcohol use, DUI w/minors in the car & leaving the girls in the car unattended. Ugh.

The comments were focused on the kids and safety, overwhelmingly, and expressed shock at the fawning over CS by wife. I still cannot imagine what it is like for the little girls living in that house of gaslighting and witness tampering. They lost their big sister and now their baby sister, but CS is the REAL victim. It's surreal to me, and they are just little. MOOO.

 

[Charlot123]

Thanks for sharing this Life. For those here who missed CS’s Arrest or Arrangement videos, or the 1st responders in their house. Everything, including some of 16’s comments, all in one place. It just made me angry all over again.

There are thousands of comments, the majority, expressing their disbelief of ES letting him care for their girls despite knowing of his alcohol use, DUI w/minors in the car & leaving the girls in the car unattended. Ugh.

One thought. She might have been in a hurry to make a good career, now that she was on the ascendant. Why not hire a nanny if your hubby is unreliable with the kids?

Either there was something else that she didn't want outsiders to be privy to, or she couldn't trust the guy even with a babysitter. Or, she was afraid that he'd start sending the nanny for beer?

 

[NuttMegg]

Wow. I'm really old and I can truthfully say not one time in my entire life have I driven at 138 mph, and with kids in the car and drinking to boot? What a waste of dna.

"You hate me." What is he, 12?

That guy knew where his bread was buttered yet still acted like a careless schmuck. Habitually jeopardizing those irreplaceable young lives until the 2 year old pays for his games with her life.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

 

[Charlot123]

Wow. I'm really old and I can truthfully say not one time in my entire life have I driven at 138 mph, and with kids in the car and drinking to boot? What a waste of dna.

"You hate me." What is he, 12?

That guy knew where his bread was buttered yet still acted like a careless schmuck. Habitually jeopardizing those irreplaceable young lives until the 2 year old pays for his games with her life.

I think that it is the face of addiction. I thought he had an "addict personality", and some photos of him with kids raise several flags, IMHO, JMO, either, but maybe, also substance-induced dementia setting in? Alcohol causes it early enough.

 

[LadyL]

I think that it is the face of addiction. I thought he had an "addict personality", and some photos of him with kids raise several flags, IMHO, JMO, either, but maybe, also substance-induced dementia setting in? Alcohol causes it early enough.

can you elaborate what photos and which flags?

 

[abyquinn]

One thought. She might have been in a hurry to make a good career, now that she was on the ascendant. Why not hire a nanny if your hubby is unreliable with the kids?

Either there was something else that she didn't want outsiders to be privy to, or she couldn't trust the guy even with a babysitter. Or, she was afraid that he'd start sending the nanny for beer?

All of those make sense don’t they? She’s obviously aware of his shortcomings in the SAHD dept. knowing his troubles at home would be very obvious to anyone else she may just not have been ready to open her blinds for others to see in. I wonder how she feels about her choices now?

I hadn’t gone in that direction, I was thinking they didn’t want to give up their lifestyle to pay for a full time nanny but there was no reason for CS not to take a job even if it only paid enough to pay the nanny since it is his shortcomings at home that should have made them realize taking care of young children wasn’t working out for him. But looking at his troubles at home he currently isn’t really suited to work outside his home either.

 

[airportwoman]

One thought. She might have been in a hurry to make a good career, now that she was on the ascendant. Why not hire a nanny if your hubby is unreliable with the kids?

Either there was something else that she didn't want outsiders to be privy to, or she couldn't trust the guy even with a babysitter. Or, she was afraid that he'd start sending the nanny for beer?

Or that he might cheat on her with the nanny?

(I understand that doesn't happen anywhere near as often as many people think it does.)