Armchair Psych discussion of Jodi Arias

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Nothing was stolen though. She sure didn't do anything to make it a home invasion/robbery type of scene to cover her tracks. If that was her original intention, I think she would have still tried to set up that scene, despite the bloody massacre. I think her plan went horribly wrong and she knew she would have to live with it and left. She tried a clean up but soon gave up.
Yes, very true.

And with your theory of her original plan (before it all went bad) of disposing of his body, can't you picture her (since she knew his passwords and knew how to get into his gmail, facebook) going on his facebook and posting as him? "Hey guys, had to get away for awhile, will keep in touch." (you can hide your IP location thru a proxy so well now that even law enforcement can often not crack it. I know this because I tried to get something traced and was told this by a private detective.)
 
Yes, very true.

And with your theory of her original plan (before it all went bad) of disposing of his body, can't you picture her (since she knew his passwords and knew how to get into his gmail, facebook) going on his facebook and posting as him? "Hey guys, had to get away for awhile, will keep in touch." (you can hide your IP location thru a proxy so well now that even law enforcement can often not crack it. I know this because I tried to get something traced and was told this by a private detective.)
She may have, but she also may have just said.. 'haven't heard from him, we had broken up, don't know why he would have just left, I am worried about him' yada yada. I just think she is smart. Smart enough to know that she would be the immediate #1 suspect (as she was)...and the no body, no crime scenario would be a smarter choice. It was a murder plot, not a spontaneous killing. She thought it thru from beginning to end.
 
She got him into the tiny shower, why not a trunk? I think a determined Jodi would have no problem.

to get him into the shower she didn't have to lift him UP very far-right?
getting dead weight of 200+ pounds UP and into a car trunk is
different.
 
to get him into the shower she didn't have to lift him UP very far-right?
getting dead weight of 200+ pounds UP and into a car trunk is
different.
Not when you have no concern for injuring what you are putting into the trunk. I think she could have done it no problem.
 
I just wanted to say, not all diagnosed sociopaths are psychotic crazy killers. And not all crazy killers are psychopaths/sociopaths. Some are just real nasty people or people who get caught up in a rageful moment and kill someone.

I met a man at work several years ago. He did the IT when I was working in education policy and procedure (instead of teaching). He's an odd man. Unusual.

3 years down the track, I am great friends with his wife and him. BUT I happen to know that this man has been diagnosed with ASPD (Antisocial Personality Disorder), sociopath, Bi polar and possibly some other things over the years. He has been an involuntary inpatient in a mental health facility more than once in his teenage years. He was expelled from lots of schools. He has a juvenile history of blowing stuff up. He is quick to violence with people outside his circle and can justify to himself why it was ok, and actually finds it amusing.

This man is 30, and whilst an unusual man, with a VERY bad history and a terribly abusive childhood, he holds down a well paying professional job in senior management. He has been married 10 years (his wife is a few years older and a saint of a owman). He is a dad to a delightful 6 year old girl.

And according to the diagnostic criteria, he is a sociopath. But he loves "his people". I am one of "his people" (thank God). But other people, he really doesn't give a toss about. He is also incredibly intelligent. But he's not a criminal (as an adult), or a murderer. Although I have no doubt he could kill someone if he decided to. He partakes in risky behaviours. But he's not a bad guy.

I don't think JA is a psychopath or sociopath. I think she is more likely bipolar with extreme emotional surges. I do think her killing of TA was premeditated - but I also think it was a crime of passion. She was so angry at how he treated her that she was going to kill him.

But I DON'T think that makes her a psychopath/sociopath. I think she's nuts...there is defiantly something not quite right about her, but I tend to think it's more based on having HUGE uncontrollable emotions than having ASPD....it just doesn't add up to me.

:) Of course I am more than happy to be wrong. My experience of a man with ASPD is one of a man who is VERY much about himself, but not a bad person, at least, not to me. A good provider and who loves his family and friends.

This of course probably clouds my judgement.

But I just don't think JA a sociopath/psychopath because she killed someone in a fit of rage.

I think she's guilty as hell, and crazy as a cut snake. But I just don't think there is enough evidence, anecdotal, presented in court, in the videos.... to prove she has ASPD.

And as for sticking to her crazy story that doesn't make sense - to get off a death sentence murder charge, and this was your story and you had to stick to it...wouldn't you? I mean, would you really just roll over and decide to die? I think her defence has just been appalling towards TA and so painful to his family BUT (I can't imagine killing someone, I dont even feel comfortable with the death sentence for people like JA)....but if I was in her position and all I had between me and possible death was a crazy story, I think I'd stick to it and hope to hell someone believed me. I don't think her sticking to the story shows she's crazy, just uncreative.

Thanks for this post. We should not be grouping all people with ASPD as people to fear. Each individual should have the freedom to live like anyone else. If criminal activity occurs with anyone they should be held accountable. Caution must be taken to not stigmatize anyone population of people.
We have heard on this thread from people that have bravely disclosed that the have ASPD. Their posts have been some of the best explanation of this disorder. We learn most from those living with any illness, disorder, life experience.
 
I just wanted to say, not all diagnosed sociopaths are psychotic crazy killers. And not all crazy killers are psychopaths/sociopaths. Some are just real nasty people or people who get caught up in a rageful moment and kill someone.

I met a man at work several years ago. He did the IT when I was working in education policy and procedure (instead of teaching). He's an odd man. Unusual.

3 years down the track, I am great friends with his wife and him. BUT I happen to know that this man has been diagnosed with ASPD (Antisocial Personality Disorder), sociopath, Bi polar and possibly some other things over the years. He has been an involuntary inpatient in a mental health facility more than once in his teenage years. He was expelled from lots of schools. He has a juvenile history of blowing stuff up. He is quick to violence with people outside his circle and can justify to himself why it was ok, and actually finds it amusing.

This man is 30, and whilst an unusual man, with a VERY bad history and a terribly abusive childhood, he holds down a well paying professional job in senior management. He has been married 10 years (his wife is a few years older and a saint of a owman). He is a dad to a delightful 6 year old girl.

And according to the diagnostic criteria, he is a sociopath. But he loves "his people". I am one of "his people" (thank God). But other people, he really doesn't give a toss about. He is also incredibly intelligent. But he's not a criminal (as an adult), or a murderer. Although I have no doubt he could kill someone if he decided to. He partakes in risky behaviours. But he's not a bad guy.

I don't think JA is a psychopath or sociopath. I think she is more likely bipolar with extreme emotional surges. I do think her killing of TA was premeditated - but I also think it was a crime of passion. She was so angry at how he treated her that she was going to kill him.

But I DON'T think that makes her a psychopath/sociopath. I think she's nuts...there is defiantly something not quite right about her, but I tend to think it's more based on having HUGE uncontrollable emotions than having ASPD....it just doesn't add up to me.

:) Of course I am more than happy to be wrong. My experience of a man with ASPD is one of a man who is VERY much about himself, but not a bad person, at least, not to me. A good provider and who loves his family and friends.

This of course probably clouds my judgement.

But I just don't think JA a sociopath/psychopath because she killed someone in a fit of rage.

I think she's guilty as hell, and crazy as a cut snake. But I just don't think there is enough evidence, anecdotal, presented in court, in the videos.... to prove she has ASPD.

And as for sticking to her crazy story that doesn't make sense - to get off a death sentence murder charge, and this was your story and you had to stick to it...wouldn't you? I mean, would you really just roll over and decide to die? I think her defence has just been appalling towards TA and so painful to his family BUT (I can't imagine killing someone, I dont even feel comfortable with the death sentence for people like JA)....but if I was in her position and all I had between me and possible death was a crazy story, I think I'd stick to it and hope to hell someone believed me. I don't think her sticking to the story shows she's crazy, just uncreative.


Thank you for this well thought out post. I wanted to highlight this portion of what you wrote because I found it very interesting...You either have studied sociopath/psychopathic behavior or you really do know someone with this disorder...this is the hallmark of their mental deviance:

..."can justify to himself why it was ok, and actually finds it amusing."


The swiftness and lethality with which these people can change and kill is astounding.

A person without this disorder has trouble comprehending this capacity because most of us operate with a false sense of security..."He would just NEVER do that to me! I'm one of his 'people'."

Please take what I'm writing to heart when I say; you can have a pet tiger, beautiful pet tiger, take pride in being one of the few people that can stand in the cage next to the tiger but NEVER forget that he's A TIGER.
 
Thanks for this post. We should not be grouping all people with ASPD as people to fear. Each individual should have the freedom to live like anyone else. If criminal activity occurs with anyone they should be held accountable. Caution must be taken to not stigmatize anyone population of people.
We have heard on this thread from people that have bravely disclosed that the have ASPD. Their posts have been some of the best explanation of this disorder. We learn most from those living with any illness, disorder, life experience.

:rocker:

This is precisely why psychological profiling will not work in our current modern society. We simply do not know enough about it. Good post.
 
Oh my, side bar about Juan signing autographs and pictures. They have called Jean Kasaris to testify regarding jurors seeing this. Kirk Nurbi has sighted a misconduct motion for JM. Some of the HLN programs have quests viewing this as misconduct. Maybe this should not be posted on this thread. Wanted to inform those folks that are unable to see live coverage. Not certain what was the conclusion of this motion as trial is underway. Know doubt we will hear more about this and the courts response.
 
I started following this trial very late in the game. I apologize if the following two questions have been hashed and re-hashed...

1). Did Jodi Arias ever make a statement(s), (verbal, written, text)...that she was going to kill Travis or that she wanted him dead?

2). What has cleared or what alibi does Travis' roommate have for the days this happened and were these verified?

I thank all you fine people in advance.
 
Oh my, side bar about Juan signing autographs and pictures. They have called Jean Kasaris to testify regarding jurors seeing this. Kirk Nurbi has sighted a misconduct motion for JM. Some of the HLN programs have quests viewing this as misconduct. Maybe this should not be posted on this thread. Wanted to inform those folks that are unable to see live coverage. Not certain what was the conclusion of this motion as trial is underway. Know doubt we will hear more about this and the courts response.

Oh no.
 
In terms of the pics of Jodi, I don't think its so much that she has deteriorated as that we are now seeing what she really looks like. Without the makeup and blonde hair she presents as a different type.

In a sense she presented a false persona which Travis fell for.

Her Latino heritage is apparent now and there is nothing bad in that, but perhaps she thought so and sought to downplay it with the blonde hair.

On the other hand millions of women dye their hair blonde or get blue contacts , etc. so maybe she felt that is how she wanted to present herself....
Exactly. Jodi of the blonde bombshell was merely the magic of makeup and hair products. Trust me, I have tons of friends in the cosmetics/ hair industry and it does wonders. It will transform a person. I remember meeting a makeup artist at MAC that taught me a lot about how to do eye makeup , color me surprised to learn she was a he. A beautiful she because IMO biology means nothing, but nonetheless credit the makeup and hair. It can be smoke and mirrors. Also, notice when Jodi testifies she has the wispy baby bangs in front, but they're pushed to the side when she's at the table. She looks more innocent addressing the jury and more adult not. Maybe it's a concession she made with the DT. That hair cut must be making her mad. I wouldn't be surprised to see closer to the real Jodi on the appeal. That could have helped her case. Her makeover hurt her IMO.
 
I'm wondering if you are thinking that 'slashing' the tires is more like a hacking motion at the tires.? I don't know.

From my experiences 'slashing' a tire is from someone coming along with a big old hunting knife and they stand usually with their back to the car and stab the tire.

This is the act of a coward by the way and volumes have been written about the mindset of someone committing this type of act.

My advice is not to attempt this at home. Just go to Youtube and look up how to slash a tire, then home no one in your neighborhood gets their tires slashed. If you try this on a tire that's laying in the garage that's not on a rim with no air in it, it will very difficult.

Yes the hunting knife would work too. I was responding to post that it would be hard for Jodi to slash tires. Agreed not to be done by anyone.
 
Not when you have no concern for injuring what you are putting into the trunk. I think she could have done it no problem.
Especially if he was wrapped in sheets and she had, say, knotted part of it to act like a "handle".
 
I started following this trial very late in the game. I apologize if the following two questions have been hashed and re-hashed...

1). Did Jodi Arias ever make a statement(s), (verbal, written, text)...that she was going to kill Travis or that she wanted him dead?

2). What has cleared or what alibi does Travis' roommate have for the days this happened and were these verified?

I thank all you fine people in advance.

I will offer my understanding of the question asked
1. There has not been any evidence of threats written, text, verbal. However, Travis did mention that he was concerned about jodi's actions and that he thought she may kill him. Not sure if he was saying she may kill him joking.
2. The room mates were not in home during murder. One roommate returned shortly after murder. Much interest in why roommates had not noticed smell of decomposition. Travis,s room was at very back of house with door closed and inside bathroom with door closed. A think there was mention of roommate smelling something but assumed it was garbage. Once body discovered the decomposition was strong through out home. Roommates thought Travis was in Mexico. Roommates cleared of involvement in death.
Hope this helps
 
Exactly. Jodi of the blonde bombshell was merely the magic of makeup and hair products. Trust me, I have tons of friends in the cosmetics/ hair industry and it does wonders. It will transform a person. I remember meeting a makeup artist at MAC that taught me a lot about how to do eye makeup , color me surprised to learn she was a he. A beautiful she because IMO biology means nothing, but nonetheless credit the makeup and hair. It can be smoke and mirrors. Also, notice when Jodi testifies she has the wispy baby bangs in front, but they're pushed to the side when she's at the table. She looks more innocent addressing the jury and more adult not. Maybe it's a concession she made with the DT. That hair cut must be making her mad. I wouldn't be surprised to see closer to the real Jodi on the appeal. That could have helped her case. Her makeover hurt her IMO.
Yes, without makeup and cosmetics even many celebrities look like Plain Janes. I guess the defense was going for a 14-year-old-Nerd-*advertiser censored*-frumpy-Librarian look, but you are right: It may backfire. :what:
 
I will offer my understanding of the question asked
1. There has not been any evidence of threats written, text, verbal. However, Travis did mention that he was concerned about jodi's actions and that he thought she may kill him. Not sure if he was saying she may kill him joking.
2. The room mates were not in home during murder. One roommate returned shortly after murder. Much interest in why roommates had not noticed smell of decomposition. Travis,s room was at very back of house with door closed and inside bathroom with door closed. A think there was mention of roommate smelling something but assumed it was garbage. Once body discovered the decomposition was strong through out home. Roommates thought Travis was in Mexico. Roommates cleared of involvement in death.
Hope this helps
Yep, that is a good point by point answer!!! :rocker: And yes, as Travis' bedroom/office/bath were sort of off by themselves and down a long hallway, with that door locked (Jodi apparently had locked it behind her when she left) and the AC on in June, the smell only became very subtle after a few days: It took the door being opened by concerned friends to begin it circulating.

Yes, Travis did lots of meetings and travel and the room mates were not really his friends. They were renters, and assumed his business was his own private affair, and that he may have even embarked early for Cancun. It was his closest friends who finally got concerned over unanswered voice mails and texts.....
 
Oh my, side bar about Juan signing autographs and pictures. They have called Jean Kasaris to testify regarding jurors seeing this. Kirk Nurbi has sighted a misconduct motion for JM. Some of the HLN programs have quests viewing this as misconduct. Maybe this should not be posted on this thread. Wanted to inform those folks that are unable to see live coverage. Not certain what was the conclusion of this motion as trial is underway. Know doubt we will hear more about this and the courts response.
:goodpost::eek::eek: thanks for informing, OMG - shows the relevance of your question last night, Cate!
 
Arias' defense team accuses prosecution of misconduct


The defense team is accusing prosecuting attorney Juan Martinez of misconduct. The defense claims Martinez has been seen signing autographs and taking pictures with people.

According to CBS 5 News reporter Jose Miguel who is inside the courtroom, the defense said they have photos of him posing for pictures and that a juror may have seen it. Because of that, the jury may be tainted, according to Arias' defense team.

"What happens outside the courtroom is not misconduct," Martinez told the judge after hearing the defense team's accusations.

Martinez asked that the juror be identified to see if it is true, "because as we know, sometimes facts are not as they seem."

HLN correspondent Jean Casarez was called to the stand to testify what she allegedly witnessed involving Martinez. Casarez said she feared if a juror ever saw him posing for pictures or signing autographs that it could taint the jury.

Following Casarez's testimony, the jury returned to the courtroom and psychotherapist Alyce LaViolette returned to the stand for another day.
http://www.kpho.com/story/21806374/arias-defense-team-accuses-prosecution-of-misconduct

Let's hope they didn't come all this way just to have a tainted jury:furious:
 
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