Arrest in JBR case part 2

[englishleigh]

I was out getting lunch and right before I left saw the post of John and John, I thought the same thing, but I wasn't so sure about DNA. So, if they were related, the DNA could give the same match on them, I guess that I my question?


Anywho, wouldn't THAT have been SOMETHING!!!! If the killer was an illigetimate son of JR's and no one knew about him, DNA come back for match on JR and he really did do it, but nobody believes it. HOLY CRAP, that would SUCK!

Not sure if the DNA would totally match since they are not the same person, but if they were related it would show enough of a match to show the blood relationship, I'd think??

 

[curious1]

Oh geez. My head is spinning. We now have a conspiracy about a consipiracy about a conspiracy! My wittle head hurts. I wish the damn media had not been involved in this. My guess is that maybe the US authorities alerted the Thai folks about this man and they had to tell them why they wanted him held and then the Thai folks call the media because they want to make sure their part in solving this monumental case is noted in history. :doh: This should have all been done quietly. Of course if he had been in the US and the CO folks had alerted say the NC folks I am sure the same media circus would have happened for the same reasons. You know we are not entitled to know everything about everything that goes on. :snooty: I don't care about the freedom of information act. If someone murders me and then is not caught or is set free on a technicality because some busy body media person wants to make a name for his/herself and demands certain facts then leaks them which hinders an investigation you can believe I am going to come back and haunt that media person to their death. JMHO and personal rant.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

My guess is that maybe the US authorities alerted the Thai folks about this man and they had to tell them why they wanted him held and then the Thai folks call the media because they want to make sure their part in solving this monumental case is noted in history.

Could be but why would the US need to mention the JB case at all? Isn't he wanted for fleeing the charges in CA years ago? Wouldn't that alone be enough reason to get him back here?

 

[scandi]

Personally, I don't see much similarity in their heads. Different necks, as Karr has quite a slender one I have noticed, and JR has a broader skull I think that is more squared off at the bottom. Karr's jaw moves to more of a point at the chin.

Scandi

 

[curious1]

Could be but why would the US need to mention the JB case at all? Isn't he wanted for fleeing the charges in CA years ago? Wouldn't that alone be enough reason to get him back here?

Ugh! I don't know any more. I am so disgusted with the Thai folks trying to get in on this one "Well, Karr said blah, blah, blah..." then it turns out no he didn't say blah, blah, blah. They just need to shut up and let this be handled properly by folks who don't need an interpreter to discuss the case with him. I just want to throw my hand sup and walk away, but I'll miss something really important so I can't.

:banghead: OW! :banghead: OW! :banghead: OW!

 

[Love_Mama]

Okay. I have no proof that there are "millions" of men who have looked at child *advertiser censored*. I'm sure that not all of them who have, have molested children, though.

This man was arrested for having child *advertiser censored*. Some people are jumping the gun and assuming that he was arrested for pedophilia.

Wenchie, you're absolutely right. Here are Nielson Stats. NOT all of the below site are child *advertiser censored*...but usually *advertiser censored* sites always have children in them too! Sad but TRUE!

xxxooo
mama

INTERNET *advertiser censored*

Two in five Internet users visited an adult site in August of 2005, according to tracking by comScore Media Metrix.

87% of university students polled have virtual sex mainly using Instant Messenger, webcam, and telephone (“CampusKiss and Tell” University and College Sex Survey. Released on February 14, 2006. CampusKiss.com. February 17, 2006 <http://www.campuskiss.com/default.aspx?survey=show&homepage=true>).


According to comScore Media Metrix, there were 63.4 million unique visitors to adult websites in December of 2005, reaching 37.2% of the Internet audience.

According to the Florida Family Association, PornCrawler, their specialized software program, identified 20 U.S. companies that accounted for more than 70 percent of 297 million *advertiser censored* links on the Internet.

By the end of 2004, there were 420 million pages of *advertiser censored*, and it is believed that the majority of these websites are owned by less than 50 companies (LaRue, Jan. “Obscenity and the First Amendment.” Summit on *advertiser censored*. Rayburn House Office Building. Room 2322. May 19, 2005).

The Internet *advertiser censored* industry generates $12 billion dollars in annual revenue – larger than the combined annual revenues of ABC, NBC, and CBS (Family Safe Media, January 10, 2006, <http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html>).

The largest group of viewers of Internet *advertiser censored* is children between ages 12 and 17 (Family Safe Media, December 15, 2005, <http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html>).

According to comScore Media Metrix, 71.9 million people visited adult sites in August 2005, reaching 42.7 percent of the Internet audience.

According to comScore Media Metrix, Internet users viewed over 15 billion pages of adult content in August 2005.

According to comScore Media Metrix, Internet users spent an average of 14.6 minutes per day viewing adult content online.

More than 32 million unique individuals visited a *advertiser censored* site in Sept. of 2003. Nearly 22.8 million of them were male (71 percent), while 9.4 million adult site visitors were female (29 percent)
(Nielsen/Net Ratings, Sept. 2003).

N2H2's database contained 14 million identified p

 

[Love_Mama]

Personally, I don't see much similarity in their heads. Different necks, as Karr has quite a slender one I have noticed, and JR has a broader skull I think that is more squared off at the bottom. Karr's jaw moves to more of a point at the chin.

Scandi

Scandi........put some fat on this guy, make his face wider...........give him a smile ..........Look at John's other boys...John Jr. and he an Pasty's son!

WISH to heck we had some younger photos of John Ramsey. Do you have any Scandi?

John Karr was born 41 years ago. Have we heard anything yet about his mother?

IF, and I say IF..........this John Karr was in fact an illigimate child of John Ramsey's......and found out that he was.......and then found out that Daddy John had a lot of money......and was feeling very bitter about it.........well, you guess the rest. Would Karr have taken that out on Jon Benet?

I know this all sounds crazy but this whole case is crazy.......

xxxxxxxxooooooooo
mama

 

[JBean]

Could be but why would the US need to mention the JB case at all? Isn't he wanted for fleeing the charges in CA years ago? Wouldn't that alone be enough reason to get him back here?

Not to extradite on misdemeanor charges i don't think.But I am no expert.

 

[christine2448]

Scandi........put some fat on this guy, make his face wider...........give him a smile ..........Look at John's other boys...John Jr. and he an Pasty's son!

WISH to heck we had some younger photos of John Ramsey. Do you have any Scandi?

John Karr was born 41 years ago. Have we heard anything yet about his mother?

IF, and I say IF..........this John Karr was in fact an illigimate child of John Ramsey's......and found out that he was.......and then found out that Daddy John had a lot of money......and was feeling very bitter about it.........well, you guess the rest. Would Karr have taken that out on Jon Benet?

I know this all sounds crazy but this whole case is crazy.......

xxxxxxxxooooooooo
mama

How old is John? If this guy is 41, could he be his son? Hows about long lost brother? Just a thought.

 

[otto]

The teddy bear picture is mentioned in this link:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4926302,00.html

In a related development Thursday, the Daily Camera reported that Tracey shared details of his research into the Ramsey case with students months before he alerted authorities.

The paper reported former students as saying that someone sent Tracey a childhood picture of himself holding a white Santa Claus teddy bear and purportedly taken on a Christmas morning. The stuffed animal was apparently just like the one that mysteriously showed up in JonBenet's bedroom and stumped the family and investigators.

Thank you for the link. The emails certainly give a glimpse into Karr's mind and it's definitely the mind of a disturbed man that thinks little girls are his peer group. What a freak.

 

[Love_Mama]

Go to this URL...
http://desktopdetective.blogspot.com/

If you can't get there or can't see the photo, here's what it says....and then I'll post the photo of Karr that they have.

ohn Mark Karr; Have You Seen This Image?

Capt. Fantastic of The Cellar turned me on to this picture of Karr from Getty images. Check out the image at the link and note what appears to be an obvious indent and demarcation on his neck, just below the Adams Apple. If we were looking at a crime scene photo of a deceased victim, I think that a few people would take a look at the neck on this guy and assume that the demarcation is indicative of a ligature mark. So here's a question, just how freaky is this guy? I'm wondering, while he was doing all that alleged research on the JonBenet murder, did he ever do any research in auto erotic asphyxiation?

AND here on two comments about the post and the photo.

"Judging" from his effeminate mannerisms and speech, the scar on his neck and what I see in the news footage of him in that baggy shirt as *advertiser censored*, yes *advertiser censored*, I'd say he's been going to Bangcock over the past couple of years to get a sex change sugeries. I'm serious. Look closely at the footage on t.v. (...lol, t.v...get it?) and it really looks like he has *advertiser censored*! The scar on his neck may be from an adams apple reduction surgery. As you may or may not know, transexuals get surgery on their adams apples to look more like a real woman.

And from the begining, I thought this guy is just "f'd" in the head and lying about killing J.B.
El Bastardo | 08.18.06 - 11:56 am | #

He definately has the strangest set of man-*advertiser censored* I've ever seen, especially for such a skinny little guy. He looks like he's on estrogen. He even has a little tummy pouch, like a woman.
imahologram | 08.18.06 - 12:40 pm | #



Click on the following link and take a look at the image by Paula Bronstein at Getty.

http://tinyurl.com/hwcy5

Here's the photo:

I'd admit.......this mark could have been put there on a computer program.......agree?

xxxxxxxxxxoooooooo
mama

 

[Love_Mama]

How old is John? If this guy is 41, could he be his son? Hows about long lost brother? Just a thought.

Christine.....I'm sure John Ramsey in in his mid sixties now and sure old enough to have sired a son this age....but who knows......a brother.
:waitasec: Good thinking.

xxxxxxxoooooo
mama

 

[otto]

Go to this URL...
http://desktopdetective.blogspot.com/

If you can't get there or can't see the photo, here's what it says....and then I'll post the photo of Karr that they have.

ohn Mark Karr; Have You Seen This Image?

Capt. Fantastic of The Cellar turned me on to this picture of Karr from Getty images. Check out the image at the link and note what appears to be an obvious indent and demarcation on his neck, just below the Adams Apple. If we were looking at a crime scene photo of a deceased victim, I think that a few people would take a look at the neck on this guy and assume that the demarcation is indicative of a ligature mark. So here's a question, just how freaky is this guy? I'm wondering, while he was doing all that alleged research on the JonBenet murder, did he ever do any research in auto erotic asphyxiation?

AND here on two comments about the post and the photo.

"Judging" from his effeminate mannerisms and speech, the scar on his neck and what I see in the news footage of him in that baggy shirt as *advertiser censored*, yes *advertiser censored*, I'd say he's been going to Bangcock over the past couple of years to get a sex change sugeries. I'm serious. Look closely at the footage on t.v. (...lol, t.v...get it?) and it really looks like he has *advertiser censored*! The scar on his neck may be from an adams apple reduction surgery. As you may or may not know, transexuals get surgery on their adams apples to look more like a real woman.

And from the begining, I thought this guy is just "f'd" in the head and lying about killing J.B.
El Bastardo | 08.18.06 - 11:56 am | #

He definately has the strangest set of man-*advertiser censored* I've ever seen, especially for such a skinny little guy. He looks like he's on estrogen. He even has a little tummy pouch, like a woman.
imahologram | 08.18.06 - 12:40 pm | #



Click on the following link and take a look at the image by Paula Bronstein at Getty.

http://tinyurl.com/hwcy5

Here's the photo:

I'd admit.......this mark could have been put there on a computer program.......agree?

xxxxxxxxxxoooooooo
mama

If there is DNA evidence and Karr is a natural son of John Ramsay, then the DNA would have shown that whoever murdered JonBenet was related to John Ramsay. Have we heard that? I thought we heard that there is unknown DNA.

 

[Love_Mama]

If there is DNA evidence and Karr is a natural son of John Ramsay, then the DNA would have shown that whoever murdered JonBenet was related to John Ramsay. Have we heard that? I thought we heard that there is unknown DNA.

Otto.....I don't think they were even doing DNA tests 10 years ago but I may be wrong. I'm no expert or long time poster on the Jon Benet thread but hopefully someone else could answer that question.

Anyone here know if DNA can still be done?

xxxxxooooo
mama

 

[otto]

Otto.....I don't think they were even doing DNA tests 10 years ago but I may be wrong. I'm no expert or long time poster on the Jon Benet thread but hopefully someone else could answer that question.

Anyone here know if DNA can still be done?

xxxxxooooo
mama

DNA testing was being done 10 years ago although it was not yet widely accepted by the courts and prosecutors had to make long arguments to demonstrate the validity of the testing. It was possible though.

eg: OJ was 1995

 

[jaeger]

Wenchie, you're absolutely right. Here are Nielson Stats. NOT all of the below site are child *advertiser censored*...but usually *advertiser censored* sites always have children in them too! Sad but TRUE!

Do you have a cite for this, or is it your opinion? I disagree that *advertiser censored* sites usually have children. I suspect very, very few have children, since it's illegal, and most *advertiser censored* sites are actually very legal.

 

[Love_Mama]

Looks to me like you see the same thing on this guys neck as the photo I posted before this....so I do not think that this mark on his neck has been computer generated! I blew this photo up double and lightened it....and gave it some contrast so you could see his neck.

xxxxxxxxxxxoo
mama

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Court TV just mentioned a yearbook that was signed by Karr years ago, and it stated "I Shall Be The Conquerer" - in initials, that would be ISBTC.

 

[Love_Mama]

Do you have a cite for this, or is it your opinion? I disagree that *advertiser censored* sites usually have children. I suspect very, very few have children, since it's illegal, and most *advertiser censored* sites are actually very legal.

Yes jaeger, those sites are illegal!
U.S. Code: Title 18, Section 2256
Child *advertiser censored* Laws

Most of the regular *advertiser censored* sites use little girls who look a lot older than they are.

Go here: It will just blow your mind....This is just the tip of iceburg and this was just in 1903! Probably quadrupled since then! Maybe 100 times worse.

http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports/child.htm

Sample ....
Teacher, doctor nabbed in *advertiser censored* probe
Police make plea for resources to stop spread of 'evil'

JOSH RUBIN, STAFF REPORTER THESTAR.COM, WITH FILES FROM CANADIAN PRESS, Jan. 16, 2003. 06:56 PM
The probe, called Project Snowball in Canada, has targeted more than 2,000 Canadian suspects, Gillespie said. Thirty-two people have been charged and 42 charges have been laid. The probe stems from the same worldwide sting that garnered headlines earlier this week when The Who guitarist Pete Townshend was arrested for allegedly making illegal images of children in the U.K. Canadian investigators made a plea today regarding the resources police have to deal with child *advertiser censored* distributed over the Internet. "International co-operation is a dream - national co-operation is a nightmare," Gillespie told a Toronto news conference. "I may have limited resources but my officers have unlimited resourcefulness. ... It is time for those responsible on a federal level to live up to their responsibility. We need help." Matthews said his force simply doesn't have the money and manpower it needs to deal with the problem. "The resources it takes to get these cases before the courts and through the courts are staggering,'' he concurred. American investigators say they've traced 250,000 suspected pedophiles around the world through credit-card details on child *advertiser censored* sites. British police say they have arrested more than 1,300 people as they go through a list of 7,000 people suspected to accessing illegal Internet sites. Those arrested so far in what British police call Operation Ore include 50 police officers, social workers, teachers and judges. Project Snowball was the only significant Canadian offshoot of Project Avalanche, a U.S. investigation that resulted in the arrest of Texas kiddie-*advertiser censored* magnates Thomas and Janice Reedy. Their business, Landslide Productions Inc., often grossed $1.4 million US per month from subscribers paying as little as $14.95 US to access Web sites with names like Cyber Lolita and Child Rape.

GROSS!

xxxxxxooooo
mama

 

[otto]

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Court TV just mentioned a yearbook that was signed by Karr years ago, and it stated "I Shall Be The Conquerer" - in initials, that would be ISBTC.

Isn't that interesting. Maybe this is another clue pointing to Karr's guilt? It's certainly a peculiar coincidence.