ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge;INTERPOL alert #6

[SaMy]

Well, I think it might be. You know, if he was raised in a strict, fundamentalist home of whatever religion, he may have experienced guilt or shame for his sexuality. He may have even been physically abused (spare the rod....).

Please, nobody misunderstand my reasoning here. I think that religion and faith are wonderful things and I have seen the positive effects they have had in people's lives.

But I also know that religious extremism in any form can be dangerous and arguable responsible for creating some pretty notorious socio/psychopaths.

It's a valid thing to look into as far as sleuthing LM. What values was he raised with? How did they shape his emotional growth? Does he leave clues referencing religion that may point to other crimes?

FWIW his brother (who's last name is also Newman) lists his religion as Christian on his Facebook account.

 

[PAXIMUS]

After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

 

[AudreyRose]

It is and BB is very concerning. Notice BB's profile pic now bears devil horns - referred to by Magnotta in his audition for cosmetic surgery.

Wow, I didn't even think of that :what:

 

[Sillybilly]

You know, I might be changing my mind about the Hollywood murder (Medellin).

I was wondering- if he has done this before, why only now does he create such a big buzz about it? (the pre-video hype, the video, the pre-murder post which I believe to be him - see post 670 p.27) and the escape... so carefully staged?

Maybe the Hollywood killing was to see if he could actually do it. 'Practising' on a homeless man before getting ready for his big day. I don't think he is brave, I think he is actually quite scared right now in prison, therefore maybe he needed to prove to himself that he could do it, a rehearsal?

The Hollywood victim (found Jan 18/12) was not a homeless man, but was identified as Hervey Medellin. The Tuscon AZ victim (found Jan 6/12) has never been identified. so could possibly be the "homeless man". The AZ vic was killed prior to Hervey, so you could be right re the practice run.

Very interesting find re the Eric C. Newman traffic violation in Payson AZ. It has a pop. of a little over 15000, so not much there, but there is an airport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payson,_Arizona

According to Hervey Medellin's b/f roomie, Hervey said he was going to Mexico. As he was retired from the airlines, he may have had free or low-priced airfare. Presumably Hervey didn't leave in a vehicle, so am wondering if he possibly flew into Payson enroute to Mexico (or just told his roomie he was going to Mexico, as there have been reports of a love triangle. Did he just tell his roomie he was going to Mexico, but made arrangements for a rendezvous somewhere in AZ)?

All spec at this point, but i think it is worthy of consideration.

 

[deanna82437]

Tidbit: Badpuppy which is a major adult media company refuses to comment on Magnotta or confirm he did any work for them.

Catching up so apologize if previously posted. He's had that cross on in many of his photos. I wondered about it as well. A few were with a plain chain, but most with the cross.

Sorry, wrong quote. Question was about LRM wearing a necklace with a cross.

 

[musician]

That comment was there....I posted the link....now it's gone. How curious.

PS - anyone know for certain whether LRM is NOT being granted internet access whilst being held in custody in Berlin?? How do we know he is not still accessing the internet even post arrest? And if he is, perhaps LE are deliberately letting him continue doing so, being the narcissist that he is perhaps they are leaving the door open for him to implicate himself before he is charged (my guess is had he already been charged then they would not be so inclined to bait him, since this may amount to entrapment?)

 

[Sealuzna]

What do mean?

Who would have prior knowledge of the murder pre-May 15, before the murder took place, other than the murderer (ie LRM) and any accomplice?

As badly as Animal Rights activists wanted this guy, I can't see them creating YouTube accounts to accuse him of being a "cannibal serial killer".

Plus, there is plenty of evidence independent of the Internet that LRM did this crime-- the evidence found in the apartment, video surveillance from his apartment / Canada Post. There will be more evidence that we don't even know about yet.

I didn't say he didn't do it. Not sure how you got that from my post.

 

[dallydilly]

Someone earlier in this thread theorized it may be on its way to The Sun paper in the UK. They did lots of coverage of him regaring the kitten videos. And he sent the journalist a threatening email (that referenced killing humans next) after their face-to-face interview in December 2011. I think that might be a safe bet on its destination.

Twas me, hope I'm wrong, mind I just want it found for the sake of Jun Lin's family.

 

[Chaslene]

That comment was there....I posted the link....now it's gone. How curious.

I saw that comment with my own eyes! Gone? My friend even saw it on there. So if Magnotta does make that statement LE needs to pay Butthead a visit ASAP!

 

[MaryAnn]

After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

I agree this Man is very ill and should probably be in a mental hospital but that probably won't happen. If it didn't happen with Jeffrey Dahmer doubt it will happen with Luka. I don't think it's possible to rehab him. I don't think there is a pill that can make him be normal. Just like pedophiles. I wouldn't want him roaming the streets again no matter how much rehab he's had.

 

[PAXIMUS]

PS - anyone know for certain whether LRM is NOT being granted internet access whilst being held in custody in Berlin?? How do we know he is not still accessing the internet even post arrest? And if he is, perhaps LE are deliberately letting him continue doing so, being the narcissist that he is perhaps they are leaving the door open for him to implicate himself before he is charged (my guess is had he already been charged then they would not be so inclined to bait him, since this may amount to entrapment?)

He would have to have a pretty dumb attorney to allow that to happen but there are plenty of stupid lawyers out there so anything is possible.

 

[Chaslene]

Personally I think the head is going either to The Sun (read the mail he sent them before) or Jun's family in China...

 

[bodhi93]

Just had thought... If LRM is responsible for the Hollywood murder of HM (and I'm not saying he is... just speculating), he placed HM's head under the "HOLLYWOOD" sign... do we have anything here in Canada that would be well known around the world? CN tower... one of his pictures (not sure if it was real), looked like it was taken downtown Toronto by the Roger's Centre (or whatever they call the skydome)... is there anything in Montreal? since it doesn't sound like he left the city between the murder and his flight... it's been so long, the only part I really remember is the Jardin Botanique...

 

[SurfieTX]

It has been postulated before by another poster that his trigger was turning 30. I honestly think it could be that simple. His only real identity was that of a model, escort, young 'hot' male. After 30, that persona is a little harder to perpetuate (looks like he was starting to lose his hair as well).

 

[AudreyRose]

I saw that comment with my own eyes! Gone? My friend even saw it on there. So if Magnotta does make that statement LE needs to pay Butthead a visit ASAP!

Apologies, the comment seems to still be on the actual video itself still but it's no longer listed on his channel activity page.

 

[x_files]

After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

Doubt he can be rehabbed.

 

[Winnts]

After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

I too think there was a definate mental illness of some sort but what I'm not sure without more facts. Even the fact that after this murders he flies to Paris, with his cell phone on, then in days to come is sitting at an interent cafe for hours at time, shows a person who is not in the real word. Any sane minded criminal trying to evade the law does not carry out those actions. It was almost as if he was in a manic state or perhaps it is schizophrenia. But shizo's are usually paranoid they will get caught, he just seemed clueless to it all (or disorganized, scattered).

 

[PAXIMUS]

I agree this Man is very ill and should probably be in a mental hospital but that probably won't happen. If it didn't happen with Jeffrey Dahmer doubt it will happen with Luka. I don't think it's possible to rehab him. I don't think there is a pill that can make him be normal. Just like pedophiles. I wouldn't want him roaming the streets again no matter how much rehab he's had.

That is probably true and I certainly would not advocate that he be released but even John Hinkley Jr., who shot President Reagan, and who by all accounts was completely delusional and batshit crazy at the time, is now married, takes unsupervised leaves from his hospital and may very well soon be released completely, for all intents and purposes he has been rehabilitated and is now a normal functioning person.

 

[Lera213]

Thinking out of the box a little. Is it possible that LM somewhere in the deep web met up with someone who was also a fan of the convicted murder (forgot name) in Arizona? They met up there, to maybe go visit him, or planned to murder someone to pay homage to him, and in LA that murder was to pay homage maybe to another killer there. Could that person have been the one that mailed out the parts that showed up at the school?

I also think that arrest report in AZ that the poster (forgot name) found should probably send that to the AZ police handling that homicide and LA and Canada investigators on the case.

I also want to apologize for any comments that seemed way off with me. I tend to get emotional with cases these days, and i just blurt out stuff that is just way out in left field at times. Hard to explain, no I do not have any mental issues. LOL It may read like that at times but I don't. I'm dealing with Adrenal issues so hormones are out of whack.

 

[musician]

It is and BB is very concerning. Notice BB's profile pic now bears devil horns - referred to by Magnotta in his audition for cosmetic surgery.

After seeing that video and knowing about the cats I was understandably very emotional and I am guilty of passing judgement on someone before knowing all of the facts. Now that I have had the time to really look at this case close and examine his history both irl and online I am starting to realize that Luka may be a very sick individual, perhaps serverely mentally ill of the schizoaffective variety with several subtypes. If the people involved in this case are honest I think an insanity defense may be in order and incarceration in a hospital where he can be effectively rehabilitated as opposed to a prison would be the right thing to do. As much as I hate the act, as henious and disgusting as it was I cant help but feel some compassion if he is indeed suffering from mental illness. While none of this is an excuse for what he did it may very well be a reason for it.

I agree that a cluey defence lawyer would run an insanity defence, but just because someone has a mental illness doesn't mean they can run an insanity defence. Have to prove he didn't know right from wrong. His flight from the country post commission of the crime is consciousness of guilt, meaning he knew he'd done wrong. He clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but I doubt that would get him off the hook. I personally think he knew exactly what he was doing and his posts prior to the crime about whether or not he is a psychopath were a deliberate but naive attempt to create an insanity defence down the track, should he be caught (which it seems he wanted to be). And hence, he should be found guilty of murder and sent to a prison (there is no cure for NPD/psychopaths etc) where he will be served his just desserts, irrespective of whether or not he gets 25 years from the judge or less... My firm beliefs in "innocent until proven guilty" are being sorely tested in this building case.