ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 3

[suniskye]

How do we know the poster bantering with CE is the daughter? Are you saying the 18 year old daughter has an 18 month old daughter?

CE told everyone in that thread it's her daughter and she's taking her to court for personal reasons. CE would be better off keeping her mouth shut the more she says the more it makes her look the fool.

 

[Dushi]

I have so many questions.
I wish the police would confirm or deny the life insurance
I read that the FBI brought the policies to Aruba so they must know if it was life versus travel insurance and who benefits

Why are they being so secretive about this?

AFAIK there is no bloody hand print
The camera was confiscated from the hotel room after GG left for the airport?
I am not sure that is clear either

They were seen on the beach or near the point around four but never went in the water
His car was seen behind or around the restaurant twice
I assume at lunch around four and then when?
The restaurant closed at five thirty

Where did they go?

It seems to me, they kept very much to themselves for the short time they were there
very little info about other tourists interacting with them


If you are not going snorkeling, why choose that area to have lunch? Alibi?
But its such a poor alibi, full of holes

Too many things seem off
Way off

 

[annalia]

They are dutch, not english, so they will use english words in ways that sound strange to us. Don't take what they say literally or as meaning what you would mean if you said the same thing. For them, "leaving for an alternate location" would mean "leaving Aruba".

Rosalie Klein isn't Dutch, or Arubian.

 

[annalia]

Upthread it was mentioned that Giordano was leaving Aruba for USA, however this partial article written by Rosalie Klein of Aruba for the Morning News, claims Giordano was leaving for an alternate location.
I doubt we are hearing what we should be hearing and rather getting news that may be speculation amongst investigators and someone is leaking to the press.
The url below was copied from elsewhere.



http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/sosexispr/08232011_TheMorningNews2.jpg

Hmmmm, is it possible he was trying to change his flight to a different location, perhaps just to hold up until he thought the coast might be clear? At this point, that's something not confirmed, so I'm not saying it's a fact, but could be a possibility.

It's obvious there were leaks, T Stein even confirmed it. I don't understand the need to tap dance around that or try to make excuses. It happens in many jurisdictions, unauthorized and unconfirmed information getting leaked by thise dreaded sources who wish to remain anonymous. Then it's like playing the telephone game, the more it gets repeated, little bits change. Also peoples interpretations, how many times just discussing information do different people think it means different things?

Maybe they are looking into it to get to the source, and put a stop to it. It would be nice to hear from just one or two official spokespeople, like Taco Stein.

 

[annalia]

I have so many questions.
I wish the police would confirm or deny the life insurance
I read that the FBI brought the policies to Aruba so they must know if it was life versus travel insurance and who benefits

Why are they being so secretive about this?

AFAIK there is no bloody hand print
The camera was confiscated from the hotel room after GG left for the airport?
I am not sure that is clear eitherThey were seen on the beach or near the point around four but never went in the water
His car was seen behind or around the restaurant twice
I assume at lunch around four and then when?
The restaurant closed at five thirty

Where did they go?

It seems to me, they kept very much to themselves for the short time they were there
very little info about other tourists interacting with them


If you are not going snorkeling, why choose that area to have lunch? Alibi?
But its such a poor alibi, full of holes

Too many things seem off
Way off

My bolding

Doesn't look clear to me either. It had been reported that there was blood, did the blood then turn into bloody handprint? When TS said there was no bloody handprint, does that mean no blood at all or just no handprint?

Most of the reports just said that his camera was found, and didn't specify that it was found back at the hotel. Did that report get it wrong, or was it the one that got it right, or was it just the reporter's assumption? TS didn't clarify, but I would think that police would know if it had been Robyn's.

Re, the insurance, I can understand their wanting to keep things close to the vest, but they were the ones who put it out initially and reported that they were looking into it, and that it seemed suspicious. It would be the right thing to do, to follow up on that, with information that they uncovered since.

That's what gets frustrating, putting things out and then they just hang there.

JMHO

 

[Dushi]

I don't know how to bring this video over but its interesting
The waiter gives his impressions


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/mystery-aruba-photos-reveal-14362010

 

[Dushi]

and it seems she did have a dress on at lunch

 

[Dushi]

I have never gone into a retaurant and introduced myself or my companion
Clearly bringing attention to them

 

[concentric]

I wondered if GG "disposed" a camera prior to leaving the hotel
throwing it away or tossing it somewhere.
However he did not destroy it soooo... IDK
it doesn'e seem like he was trying very hard to cover
his tracks.
I'm not sure what to believe with all the rumors now!
Was the "camera" reported as being found in his luggage?
Were any images found on his phone?

I have not been able to follow this story too closely.

I also wondered if he had mailed anything back to the US from Aruba as well... perhaps imtercepted by the FBI? A camera, disc, sim card or maybe a flash drive (etc) in order for GG NOT TO BE FOUND transporting the images...
:waitasec:

I can't imagine trying to flee while in possesion of nude shots of a missing woman, but it does fit with how GG has been reported as an allegedly creepy guy. He would want to use the pictures to relive his time with RG maybe???
ESPECIALLY if he KNEW he would never see her again...

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Yes, possible.

I asked the same questions in Thead 2, posted that he could have either mailed additional film/camera, etc. or in desperation could have tossed some of the evidence into the sea.

Another sleuth then followed up with perhaps he sent the images on-line.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Thanks Dushi for that link. I wonder who took those photos of them leaving the restaurant?

ETA: In one hand he has a small carton (which probably has leftover food in it) but I wonder what is in his left hand? Kinda looks like a roll of paper towels.

 

[Dushi]

and she is carrying a large bag

Where is it?

 

[gajonka]

I'm following it. He was asked by the stand-in host of JVM why he isn't in Aruba. His answer was that he feels he is better help here by getting the word out.

I'm guessing Martin Savidge would interview him daily so he would get coverage and plenty of it - I don't buy the excuse RF gives for not being in Aruba. Hopefully he will go to the Aug 31st hearing for GG. I think it is sad that RG has no family representation on the Island.

So to answer you question, do I find his posts over the top a little? Yes, because to me the other behavior is off. He is talking the talk but I don't see him walking the walk.

I sometimes think about what if they find her, alive and no one is there to hug her and welcome her to safety.

"Getting the word out?"

Mwahahahahaha ha ha ha!!

Real Reason: Greater opportunity to PROFIT from any other pictures he can find in addition to belongings he is prepping for e*bay.

I guess you cannot blame him for not going down there... she DID go on a trip with another guy- just doesn't add up to : "I Love RF."

Funny though.. ;-)

 

[concentric]

I have a question: Is it a fact that GG was not only a snorkeler with his own equipment, but a scuba diver?

 

[concentric]

IMO: The images of searchers looking through that scrub area reminds me of the Long Island escort murders. The bodies were dumped into that type of terrain, minus the cacti, of course.

 

[gajonka]

I wondered if GG "disposed" a camera prior to leaving the hotel
throwing it away or tossing it somewhere.
However he did not destroy it soooo... IDK
it doesn'e seem like he was trying very hard to cover
his tracks.
I'm not sure what to believe with all the rumors now!
Was the "camera" reported as being found in his luggage?
Were any images found on his phone?

I have not been able to follow this story too closely.

I also wondered if he had mailed anything back to the US from Aruba as well... perhaps imtercepted by the FBI? A camera, disc, sim card or maybe a flash drive (etc) in order for GG NOT TO BE FOUND transporting the images...
:waitasec:
I can't imagine trying to flee while in possesion of nude shots of a missing woman, but it does fit with how GG has been reported as an allegedly creepy guy. He would want to use the pictures to relive his time with RG maybe???
ESPECIALLY if he KNEW he would never see her again...

I like your sense with respect to this... possible evidence... disposal of evidence... where else could he have disposed of, or be storing/hiding/guarding additional evidence? A difficult question, with LIMITED possibilities, unless you've been on a trip there or similar place.

How about the Balcony from his hotel room? Does it overlook a pool or a cliff, and woods, precedent to the ocean?

 

[gajonka]

I don't know how to bring this video over but its interesting
The waiter gives his impressions


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/mystery-aruba-photos-reveal-14362010

Thanks, Dushi.

I'm not so sure I like Dan Abrams. He is way too "I just state the obvious and use the word basically alot, thanks."

 

[Dushi]

Thanks, Dushi.

I'm not so sure I like Dan Abrams. He is way too "I just state the obvious and use the word basically alot, thanks."

well... I am more interested in the photos than Dan Abrams
It shows she was dressed at lunch, not wearing a bikini
She is carrying a large bag, wearing sandals

If she went snorkelling, those items would be in the car or back at her hotel

 

[concentric]

http://travel.usatoday.com/destinat...ysterious-death-of-another-american-/414565/1

An Aug. 9 Aruba prosecutor's statement was forwarded to USA TODAY. Here it is: "On August 2, 2011 at about 6.23 PM (local time) 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club [/B
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Again, I ask, could an assault have taken place in one of the abandoned buildings of Nanki Country Club?

 

[Dushi]

http://travel.usatoday.com/destinat...ysterious-death-of-another-american-/414565/1

An Aug. 9 Aruba prosecutor's statement was forwarded to USA TODAY. Here it is: "On August 2, 2011 at about 6.23 PM (local time) 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club [/B
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Again, I ask, could an assault have taken place in one of the abandoned buildings of Nanki Country Club?

Its a possibility , of course
Perhaps its been checked out



another thing that stands out from the waiters interview..
He said it was clear it was a romantic relationship, so I am guessing that during lunch she was not fearful or unhappy

 

[annalia]

I have never gone into a retaurant and introduced myself or my companion
Clearly bringing attention to them

My bolding

Seems that way.

Also says RG arrived seemingly very intoxicated and was very well put together. Server found it odd when later on GG told police they had gone snorkeling.

It was never said whether they found any of the things RG on had at lunch, was it? Could be police know and we just haven't heard. If they never found it, it could be more circumstantial evidence that they never went snorkeling.

JMHO