ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 6

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Hi, Willow57. JMO - I've always thought that one of the premises for their driving around was to scout out photograph/video locations (I've made many posts regarding this in previous threads.) From what I understand, there are some abandoned structures (Nanki Country Club?) adjacent to the restaurant and beach at that location. We talked about that before. Then there was the mention of abadoned structures at the old oil refinery on an opposite end of the island. And, remember the fisherman shacks in the Natalee Holloway case? It is my feeling that GG may have been looking for this type of seclusion.

That would be the back side of the island where the cliffs and strong currents are. There is very little traffic back there because the roads are dirt and in most areas you can see cars coming from quite a distance both ways.
 
Michael Lopez of LopezLaw in Aruba informed RadarOnline.com in an e-mail on Thursday that he has stepped down as Gary Giordano's attorney, but still steadfastly believes he will soon be set free.

"As stated previously by our law firm in Courts, there is no proof whatsoever that Mr. Giordano has committed an offense. With arguments and facts presented by LopezLaw against the assumptions by the District Attorney, Mr. Giordano soon will have to be released," wrote Lopez, who stopped representing the suspect on October 8.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ba-gary-giordano-defense-lawyer-michael-lopez
 
ITA. Which is another red flag to me. If I have drank enough to be intoxicated, I would not go snorkeling in the ocean. I have never taken sleeping pills and drank alcohol together, but that would be an even bigger reason not to go snorkeling. Sleeping pills aren't an upper, they're a downer. If this was the state Robyn was in, I don't believe she would have had the energy and desire to engage in a physical activity like that. JMO



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As far as C and R go, well neither were there so it doesn't matter much really
I really don't have an opinion on whose account is more accurate
But IMO, Robyn went away with another man, for whatever reasons.
It says to me, that she was unsure of her feelings towards RF and certainly not committed

Hi Guy's ,

Just using the "bolded' as a jump off point for a comment that relates to "alcohol"

I know there are others on WS that have had their own experiences with "alcohol", as recovering alcoholics or co-dependents. Anyone who has been there has their personal story . However IF (and none of us know this as fact) RG had a problem with alcohol or was a full blown "alcoholic", this could explain some things.

1) As Dushi said (paraphrasing) People do some pretty stupid things when drunk. H--- I know I sure did. Point being, everyone handles alcohol differently, but the one thing we have in common is that sense of total inhibition, and downright invincibility. How else does one explain drunks actually thinking they can drive a car?? So "under the influence" RG could of been capable of anything. How one acts when sober can actually be the direct opposite when drunk.

2) Also, IF, RG had problems with alcohol, it could also explain her relationship with GG. "Alcohol" to an alcoholic is the center of their universe. They plan their life around it......the next drink is always on their mind. This mentality makes it very important as to who you chose to be with. RF was a problem for RG because he monitored that "next" drink. Now GG was an enabler, with him she could drink and party till she passed out. To someone who loves alcohol, that is very "potent" draw. So we can't discount RG's attraction to GG. He probably was her "go to" guy for "the good life".

So I am just saying, IF, alcohol was that important to RG ---her choices, to me at least, would not seem so "out there". The choices one makes when they are an alcoholic are usually their downfall. It is so very sad, because if they continue to drink it WILL kill them.

....and one more thought?? Since GG had never been to Aruba, I suspect LE would have to find evidence in searches he made relating to RG's disappearance on his computer, wouldn't you think? I mean you just don't go to a place you have never been to commit the perfect crime, right?
 
Hi Guy's ,

Just using the "bolded' as a jump off point for a comment that relates to "alcohol"

I know there are others on WS that have had their own experiences with "alcohol", as recovering alcoholics or co-dependents. Anyone who has been there has their personal story . However IF (and none of us know this as fact) RG had a problem with alcohol or was a full blown "alcoholic", this could explain some things.

1) As Dushi said (paraphrasing) People do some pretty stupid things when drunk. H--- I know I sure did. Point being, everyone handles alcohol differently, but the one thing we have in common is that sense of total inhibition, and downright invincibility. How else does one explain drunks actually thinking they can drive a car?? So "under the influence" RG could of been capable of anything. How one acts when sober can actually be the direct opposite when drunk.

2) Also, IF, RG had problems with alcohol, it could also explain her relationship with GG. "Alcohol" to an alcoholic is the center of their universe. They plan their life around it......the next drink is always on their mind. This mentality makes it very important as to who you chose to be with. RF was a problem for RG because he monitored that "next" drink. Now GG was an enabler, with him she could drink and party till she passed out. To someone who loves alcohol, that is very "potent" draw. So we can't discount RG's attraction to GG. He probably was her "go to" guy for "the good life".

So I am just saying, IF, alcohol was that important to RG ---her choices, to me at least, would not seem so "out there". The choices one makes when they are an alcoholic are usually their downfall. It is so very sad, because if they continue to drink it WILL kill them.

....and one more thought?? Since GG had never been to Aruba, I suspect LE would have to find evidence in searches he made relating to RG's disappearance on his computer, wouldn't you think? I mean you just don't go to a place you have never been to commit the perfect crime, right?


An excellent post IMO and I do agree with all you have said.
If GG hadn't been to Aruba, he would not find it easy to find his way around without "learning" the areas first, and I would suspect that a google search could be used to do that

He couldn't have an idea of traffic patterns or whether a car would pass by, how long it takes to get from point a to point b.
 
Michael Lopez of LopezLaw in Aruba informed RadarOnline.com in an e-mail on Thursday that he has stepped down as Gary Giordano's attorney, but still steadfastly believes he will soon be set free.

"As stated previously by our law firm in Courts, there is no proof whatsoever that Mr. Giordano has committed an offense. With arguments and facts presented by LopezLaw against the assumptions by the District Attorney, Mr. Giordano soon will have to be released," wrote Lopez, who stopped representing the suspect on October 8.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ba-gary-giordano-defense-lawyer-michael-lopez
So why did he quit? No money? Baez alone in this? Can't see how he can represent GG...unless he's been accepted to practice law in Aruba. Busy boy, if he has.
 
So why did he quit? No money? Baez alone in this? Can't see how he can represent GG...unless he's been accepted to practice law in Aruba. Busy boy, if he has.

There is another Aruban attorney who has taken over. I just don't have his name right off the top of my head.
 
There is another Aruban attorney who has taken over. I just don't have his name right off the top of my head.


The lead attorney is Chris Lejuez

Baez can not argue his defence in an Aruban court

He plays a very small part in this IMO

If GG is set free, his services may be needed in the US

Who knows
 
Hi Guy's ,

Just using the "bolded' as a jump off point for a comment that relates to "alcohol"

I know there are others on WS that have had their own experiences with "alcohol", as recovering alcoholics or co-dependents. Anyone who has been there has their personal story . However IF (and none of us know this as fact) RG had a problem with alcohol or was a full blown "alcoholic", this could explain some things.

1) As Dushi said (paraphrasing) People do some pretty stupid things when drunk. H--- I know I sure did. Point being, everyone handles alcohol differently, but the one thing we have in common is that sense of total inhibition, and downright invincibility. How else does one explain drunks actually thinking they can drive a car?? So "under the influence" RG could of been capable of anything. How one acts when sober can actually be the direct opposite when drunk.

2) Also, IF, RG had problems with alcohol, it could also explain her relationship with GG. "Alcohol" to an alcoholic is the center of their universe. They plan their life around it......the next drink is always on their mind. This mentality makes it very important as to who you chose to be with. RF was a problem for RG because he monitored that "next" drink. Now GG was an enabler, with him she could drink and party till she passed out. To someone who loves alcohol, that is very "potent" draw. So we can't discount RG's attraction to GG. He probably was her "go to" guy for "the good life".

So I am just saying, IF, alcohol was that important to RG ---her choices, to me at least, would not seem so "out there". The choices one makes when they are an alcoholic are usually their downfall. It is so very sad, because if they continue to drink it WILL kill them.

....and one more thought?? Since GG had never been to Aruba, I suspect LE would have to find evidence in searches he made relating to RG's disappearance on his computer, wouldn't you think? I mean you just don't go to a place you have never been to commit the perfect crime, right?

Good point, Robyn seems to have had a relationship with GG based on her dysfunction and possible alcohol / drug dependence. I also think she looked to him as her "sugar daddy" so to speak.

I also agree that some people, especially heavy drinkers, and even more so those who have drug addictions would have difficulties drawing boundaries between what they should or should not do when it comes to something they normally do when in a sober state of mind, such as driving a car. However, in this situation I tend to go in a different direction since this isn't second nature like driving a car, at least not for most of us who grow up driving.

On the other hand, going snorkeling in the ocean on an unfamiliar island, is really a completely different situation . I don't believe from what I have read or heard reported, that Robyn was anything close to being an avid snorkeler. This wasn't Robyn engaging in a task that she has done for years, such as getting in a car and driving down the road. Going snorkeling in the ocean entails doing something quite beyond what is considered ordinary. Which means that the sense of inhibition would still be there, intoxicated or not.

The thing is, intoxicated or not, if it's something one has inhibitions about when one is sober, the inhibitions are still there when one is not. It's just a matter of degree. If one doesn't normally like to swim, etc., why would they decide they liked to swim just because they are a little drunk.
Add to that, the fact that snorkeling entails much more than swimming anyway. There's the gear, and there's the technique of snorkeling which requires keeping the end of the snorkel positioned up above the water so you don't suck in water and aspirate it. The fact is, there's a little work involved in snorkeling. Who would do that in a intoxicated, drugged state?
So it is for these, and other reasons as well, that I simply can not see it playing out the way GG claims it did, but that's JMO. :)
 
Good point, Robyn seems to have had a relationship with GG based on her dysfunction and possible alcohol / drug dependence. I also think she looked to him as her "sugar daddy" so to speak.

I also agree that some people, especially heavy drinkers, and even more so those who have drug addictions would have difficulties drawing boundaries between what they should or should not do when it comes to something they normally do when in a sober state of mind, such as driving a car. However, in this situation I tend to go in a different direction since this isn't second nature like driving a car, at least not for most of us who grow up driving.

On the other hand, going snorkeling in the ocean on an unfamiliar island, is really a completely different situation . I don't believe from what I have read or heard reported, that Robyn was anything close to being an avid snorkeler. This wasn't Robyn engaging in a task that she has done for years, such as getting in a car and driving down the road. Going snorkeling in the ocean entails doing something quite beyond what is considered ordinary. Which means that the sense of inhibition would still be there, intoxicated or not.

The thing is, intoxicated or not, if it's something one has inhibitions about when one is sober, the inhibitions are still there when one is not. It's just a matter of degree. If one doesn't normally like to swim, etc., why would they decide they liked to swim just because they are a little drunk.
Add to that, the fact that snorkeling entails much more than swimming anyway. There's the gear, and there's the technique of snorkeling which requires keeping the end of the snorkel positioned up above the water so you don't suck in water and aspirate it. The fact is, there's a little work involved in snorkeling. Who would do that in a intoxicated, drugged state?
So it is for these, and other reasons as well, that I simply can not see it playing out the way GG claims it did, but that's JMO. :)

Right, I agree. It's a little too far out there when you put everything that he said happened into one story. It just does not make sense. jmo
 
ONE OF missing party girl Robyn Gardner's boyfriends is claiming she is being held as a sex slave in a Venezuelan brothel. The pretty blonde swinger disappeared Aug. 2 on a sex trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba with Gary Giordano, who had taken out a whopping insurance policy on her. Now, another of her boyfriends--who claims they were going to be married--says he believes she's being held captive. Robert Forester said: “Police are barking up the wrong tree by search*ing all over the island for Robyn’s body. I be*lieve she was drugged


http://crimesceneusa.blogspot.com/


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Missing Maryland tourist ROBYN GARDNER is ALIVE but being forced to work as a prostitute in a South American brothel!

That’s the nightmare Richard Forester, Gardner’s devastated boyfriend, has had to live with every day since the blonde beauty vanished on Aug. 2. He believes she was lured to Aruba and sold into white slavery by Gary Giordano, the man being held in an Aruban prison and under investigation for Robyn’s disappearance.

As The ENQUIRER recently reported, Aruban cops have been following a lead that Robyn was buried alive by Giordano, but Forester believes she is still alive.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/cel...yfriend-fears-robyn-gardner-sold-AS-sex-slave
 
“Robyn and I were living to*gether and discussing marriage,” Forester, who’d been dating her for more than two years before she disappeared, said. “We had looked at rings. I ask myself every day why she went to Aruba with Giordano. I honestly do not know. But I want her home because I love her.”

Forester suspects that Giordano drugged Robyn on the fateful day.

“He was pouring them drinks in the car – it was a perfect chance for him to drug her,” Forester explained. “He told people at the restaurant she had taken a sleeping pill – she might do that at night, but not in the middle of the day. And she would not have gone snorkeling. She never snor*keled.”

Forester added that the fiend may have had an accomplice con*nected to the white slavery racket.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/cel...yfriend-fears-robyn-gardner-sold-AS-sex-slave
 
“Unless there’s proof to me that she’s not alive, then there’s no reason to think otherwise,” Forester said.

That’s why Forester has started the Robyn Gardner Foundation to raise money to search for Gardner. The foundation launched last week. So far, donors have contributed $2,000.

“I want to use it for reward money,” he said. “I want to use it for search teams. I want to use it if we need private investigators.”

Skeptics have questioned Forester about what he’s doing with the money. He has registered the foundation as a non-profit with the state of Maryland.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/...iend-sets-up-fund-to-bring-her-home/?refid=12
 
ONE OF missing party girl Robyn Gardner's boyfriends is claiming she is being held as a sex slave in a Venezuelan brothel. The pretty blonde swinger disappeared Aug. 2 on a sex trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba with Gary Giordano, who had taken out a whopping insurance policy on her. Now, another of her boyfriends--who claims they were going to be married--says he believes she's being held captive. Robert Forester said: “Police are barking up the wrong tree by search*ing all over the island for Robyn’s body. I be*lieve she was drugged


http://crimesceneusa.blogspot.com/


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I am quoting myself...
I am confused
Is the above article referring to two boyfriends?
 
I am quoting myself...
I am confused
Is the above article referring to two boyfriends?

Sounds like it to me. :waitasec: But then come to think of it this isn't the first time someone has indicated that Robyn has another boyfriend, can't recall who it was, but strangely enough his name has never come out, at least not to my knowledge.
 
But then, RG was allegedly a 'swinger', so how many boyfriends can a swinger have?
 
Just a thought, what if some of these 'swingers' including GG, were involved with this, planned it well in advance, and Robyn actually was sold. Maybe they go on this 'swingers' website in their hunt for victims. Early on it was reported that GG was soliciting young blonde women. When the really young one who was the other aspiring model wouldn't go with him (remember the one with the mother-agent), he settled for Robyn. Settled, meaning only because she may be considered past the prime as a sex slave, but on the other hand she's also much more attractive than the younger one.
 
Just a thought, what if some of these 'swingers' including GG, were involved with this, planned it well in advance, and Robyn actually was sold. Maybe they go on this 'swingers' website in their hunt for victims. Early on it was reported that GG was soliciting young blonde women. When the really young one who was the other aspiring model wouldn't go with him (remember the one with the mother-agent), he settled for Robyn. Settled, meaning only because she may be considered past the prime as a sex slave, but on the other hand she's also much more attractive than the younger one.

How lucrative do you think that would be?
The more people involved, the smaller your piece of the pie

Are there other younger women missing from this site?
How did she get off of the Island? A boat? Whose boat?
Who helped him in Aruba? An american? An Aruban?


Human trafficking statistics are staggering, unbelievable really
There would be no need for GG to take RG on a trip to aruba to sell her
He could have easily done that from the comfort of his own home

Anything is possible and without facts, we don't know.
I am not saying it could not happen
I am saying I have seen nothing to back that up


Anything is possible, but to date, there is nothing to back it up
The only time an accomplice is mentioned, is in the NE article
Until I read more from better sources, I am not buying it
And so far, there has been no mention of a boat in the area at that time

The NE articles have suggested burial in a dog grave, being beaten in front of witnesses, tattooed man
LE has stated there are no such witnesses and the burial story is untrue
I don't recall what has been said about the tattooed man, to be honest
 
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