I think this brings up something we need to talk about in our society. What do we do when a victim becomes a perpetrator?
They're now a perp and we treat them as such.
Example: A fairly large number of child molesters were molested themselves as kids. At the same time, most who were molested never do anything to hurt another child. Somehow most victims avoid ever doing it to others, so there doesn't seem to be much of an excuse for the ones that do.
I think the way you stop the cycle is by locking up these molesters and throwing away the key.
I think this is a type of 'domestic violence' because it involves people in an intimate relationship, rather than strangers. And what is regarded as acceptable and unacceptable domestic relationships have been recently changing in our society. Not so long ago, hitting your wife and kids for disobeying you wasn't a crime.To be very clear, she is absolutely a perpetrator. I wasn't suggesting she should not be held accountable legally, or that this is an excuse or justification.
I don't think all we do is lock away the key. I think we should talk about abuse and talk about it often. Should we not want to find out IF there are ways to breaking cycles of abuse? Absolutely, many (most?) people who experience abuse and trauma don't go on to repeat. But, there are cycles and patterns of abuse. Some do. Should we not want to talk about this as a society? Cases like these are loud and opens a door that generally remains shut and locked. I am NOT saying this woman should or can blame her crimes on trauma she experienced. I'm saying that it opens the door to larger conversations....that we tend to avoid as a society.
Is it up to him only? I mean he can refuse to cooperate, but like with domestic violence victims sometimes don't want to press charges but it happens anyway?I think this is a type of 'domestic violence' because it involves people in an intimate relationship, rather than strangers. And what is regarded as acceptable and unacceptable domestic relationships have been recently changing in our society. Not so long ago, hitting your wife and kids for disobeying you wasn't a crime.
Seducing a young woman or man, getting them drunk and taking them to bed was a notch on your belt, not rape.
I do think society should protect people who are in the vulnerable position and encourage them to know and stand up for their rights. But mostly I want people to understand that it's wrong to take advantage of other people, and just not do it in the first place.
Unfortunately, when we take a strategy of locking them all up, there are two things that tend to happen: the perp becomes defensive: I did nothing wrong. So they won't admit it was an error and won't learn anything. Secondly, the people who they've abused, and who may actually still love them, often won't particpate if the consequence is jail. What those people really want is for the abuser to admit they were wrong, and reform.
We'll see whether the victim in this case wants to press charges and have her 'locked up', it's up to him, not us.
I don't see any prosecution happening without his cooperation.Is it up to him only? I mean he can refuse to cooperate, but like with domestic violence victims sometimes don't want to press charges but it happens anyway?
I don't see any prosecution happening without his cooperation.
To be very clear, she is absolutely a perpetrator. I wasn't suggesting she should not be held accountable legally, or that this is an excuse or justification.
I don't think all we do is lock away the key. I think we should talk about abuse and talk about it often. Should we not want to find out IF there are ways to breaking cycles of abuse? Absolutely, many (most?) people who experience abuse and trauma don't go on to repeat. But, there are cycles and patterns of abuse. Some do. Should we not want to talk about this as a society? Cases like these are loud and opens a door that generally remains shut and locked. I am NOT saying this woman should or can blame her crimes on trauma she experienced. I'm saying that it opens the door to larger conversations....that we tend to avoid as a society.
Unfortunately, when we take a strategy of locking them all up, there are two things that tend to happen: the perp becomes defensive: I did nothing wrong. So they won't admit it was an error and won't learn anything. Secondly, the people who they've abused, and who may actually still love them, often won't particpate if the consequence is jail. What those people really want is for the abuser to admit they were wrong, and reform.
We'll see whether the victim in this case wants to press charges and have her 'locked up', it's up to him, not us.
Prosecutor isn't supposed to try a case unless he/she believes there is enough evidence to get a conviction. Without alleged victim testifying, what chances are there of getting a conviction?I get that but is it impossible to charge a perp in this kind of case without the victim? I would think so. I get why they wouldn't if the victim won't cooperate, but technically, legally they could, right?
Prosecutor isn't supposed to try a case unless he/she believes there is enough evidence to get a conviction. Without alleged victim testifying, what chances are there of getting a conviction?
I agree but I don't remember hearing a lot about this after Spacey and Weinstein and others were fingered. Just wondering if there is a double standard here.
She denies it? Should the accusers be believed or not? Isn't "me too" movement all about believing the accusers?
Okay but there is a photo of her in bed in a state of undress with this kid when he was underage. And she admitted to her friend she had sex with him. She apparently agreed to date and or sleep with weinstein after her assault but she was still assaulted. I don't get why we are expected to believe her but not this kid.Its really complicated , yes and no and it depends on the situation and apparently this guy has tried to glean money before so there is that ....but she was assaulted by HW before this , sexual assault does a weird thing to your sex drive , I really have a hard time thinking she could do the same to this boy, Frankly after an assault you can go years and years without recovering from it , if at all , much less wanting to do it to someone else I'm going to wait for the investigation, shes probably not in the best frame of mind with the suicide ,if she is truly innocent (Which I want to believe )he could easily push her over the edge
Okay but there is a photo of her in bed in a state of undress with this kid when he was underage. And she admitted to her friend she had sex with him. She apparently agreed to date and or sleep with weinstein after her assault but she was still assaulted. I don't get why we are expected to believe her but not this kid.