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I'm assuming the immunization schedule is the same in South Australia - in VIC, after the 18-month jabs, the next scheduled shots are the pre-school ones (age 4-5). If she went missing/ died between those times it would not have raised any alarm bells. And even if she missed her 4-5yo jabs, the health authorities may have contacted her family doctor and been told "we haven't seen her for 2 1/2 years - we don't have a current address for her".
Does anyone know what the procedure is for travelling across state borders these days? Do they search cars, etc, or do they take your word for what you say you are or are not carrying. It's been many years since I've done a state crossing and am now unfamiliar with the process.
Being young (18yo when she had Khandelyce) and small & with a slight build, she may have had a C-section. It would mean the pelvis never got to stretch by having a baby pass through the birth canal. Her slight build (remember that her fellow netball players called her "Mouse" because she was small and very quick) would also explain why estimates of her age tended to be towards the lower side. I actually read estimates of 13-25 and 15-25 which are actually correct.
From : http://www.yourhormones.info/hormones/relaxin.aspxThere is also some evidence that relaxin can relax the ligaments at the front of the pelvis to ease delivery of the baby.
"The chemical markers that were in her tissue and bones indicated she had not spent much time in Australia," Detective Sergeant Tim Attwood told Fairfax Media. [/I]
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/little-gi...tim-of-wynarkas-homicide-20150923-gjt1ah.html
The facial anthropologist probably also based the reconstruction on the facial features of a 12 year old. I bet if she had been told to reconstruct the face of a 20 year old mother living a hard life, it would have been stunning.
Usually you just drive on through, there's no checkpoint or anything .. just a 'Thank you for visiting [state name]' then a 'Welcome to [next state name]' sign, except on SA borders where you may be stopped and your car checked for fruit![]()
Interesting, but doesn't the hormone relaxin cause the hips to widen during pregnancy?
ETA: actually, looks like the action of relaxin in widening of the pelvis isn't a certainty
From : http://www.yourhormones.info/hormones/relaxin.aspx
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I really hope they will comment on that in the future. How it was possible that they were so wrong.
Does anyone know how that could have happened?
This is obviously a scientific error made with the results from test's done on bones and whatever other remains they had to work with. Any explanation would be something complex I imagine.
I hope that nobody is blaming the Police for this.
This was actually published at the beginning of this month - uncanny that SMH compared the two cases!
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/little-girl-lost-trying-to-identify-the-nameless-victim-of-wynarkas-homicide-20150923-gjt1ah.html
and then the very last sentence
Published Oct 2nd 2015. The calls to crimestoppers came about a week and a half later.
Very uncanny.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/little-gi...s-homicide-20150923-gjt1ah.html#ixzz3pLc4kdUaLike the Wynarka case, police made extensive inquiries about the clothing Angel wore, particularly a shirt with the word "Angelic" across it. A description of the T-shirt made in China was widely published but not one person has contacted police to report owning one.
True, but relaxin works on the ligaments and cartilage that hold the pelvic bones together, not the bone itself. If all you have is bone (skeletal remains) you wouldn't be able to see any of that fibrous/ gristly softer tissue. Mind you, I suppose that applies to any evidence of her not having given birth the usual way.
I think the main checks on state borders are for fruit and you mainly get checked coming from NSW into states such as SA and Vic as they don't want the fruit fly that is in NSW.
Leaving SA and Vic there are far fewer checks than entering.
I really hope they will comment on that in the future. How it was possible that they were so wrong.
Does anyone know how that could have happened?
Inquiries were made with state agencies that deal with young runaways
They looked at the cases of missing children, like Quanne Diec, a 12-year-old who disappeared from Granville in 1998, but none matched up. Angel's DNA profile was handed to interpol but to date, investigators haven't had any matches.
They also explored the theory the girl came into Australia illegally and wasn't registered on any immigration records.
In a first for the NSW Homicide Squad, a facial anthropologist was brought in to create a image of what the girl's face may have looked like. A stable isotopes analysis was also done on her bones.
"The chemical markers that were in her tissue and bones indicated she had not spent much time in Australia," Detective Sergeant Tim Attwood told Fairfax Media.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/little-gi...tim-of-wynarkas-homicide-20150923-gjt1ah.html
This is where they went wrong. Looking for 12 year old runaways in stead of a 20 year old mother. And for someone who had not spend much time in Australia. While she in fact had lived there all her life.
They narrowed it down so much that if it hadn't been for the Wynarka remains, both probably never would have gotten a name.
This is obviously a scientific error made with the results from test's done on bones and whatever other remains they had to work with. Any explanation would be something complex I imagine.
I hope that nobody is blaming the Police for this.
Do they physically search your vehicle though, or do they take you at your word? Are there specific times that they set up border controls. I.e. do they have border control 24/7, or only during day times, etc. I'm thinking along the lines that if you were carrying a body from one state to another, specifically from SA into NSW, would there be a risk of your vehicle being searched. I'm also wondering how it works with fruit growers who transport fruit from one state to another. I'm presuming if you're a fruit grower and transport fruit, you would provide documentation to allow you through.
5charKARLIE JADE ANGEL TIMELINE
November 8, 2008: Karlie Jade last seen with her daughter Khandalyce on Stuart Highway near Coober Pedy, SA
September 4, 2009: Reported missing by Karlies mother. Withdrawn six days later after Karlie made contact with her mother.
August 29, 2010: Unidentified females body found in the Belanglo State Forest south of Sydney
September 15, 2010: Ivan Milat ruled out as a suspect
December, 2011: Police appeal for help from public, release computer-generated image created by Australias only facial anthropologist
November, 2012: Police entertain theory that Ivan Milats nephew Matthew could have been involved with Angels death
October 21, 2015: Police announce they have identified Angel as Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson
KHANDALYCE KIARA PEARCE TIMELINE
November 8, 2008: Khandalyce last seen with her mother Karlie Jade on Stuart Highway near Coober Pedy, SA
September 4, 2009: Reported missing by Karlies mum
October 9, 2009: Missing persons report withdrawn
April/May, 2015: Strange man, about 60, seen carrying a suitcase seen heading out of Wynarka, SA
July 14, 2015: The bones of Khandalyce were found in a weathered suitcase dumped beside a South Australian highway 1.5km outside the tiny town of Wynarka
July 29, 2015: 43 children including Madeleine McCann ruled out as the potential victim. William Tyrell also ruled out quickly.
October 21, 2015: Police announce they have identified the young girl as Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, from Alice Springs
October 22, 2015
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...lSF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Twitter
I really hope they will comment on that in the future. How it was possible that they were so wrong.
Does anyone know how that could have happened?
Inquiries were made with state agencies that deal with young runaways
They looked at the cases of missing children, like Quanne Diec, a 12-year-old who disappeared from Granville in 1998, but none matched up. Angel's DNA profile was handed to interpol but to date, investigators haven't had any matches.
They also explored the theory the girl came into Australia illegally and wasn't registered on any immigration records.
In a first for the NSW Homicide Squad, a facial anthropologist was brought in to create a image of what the girl's face may have looked like. A stable isotopes analysis was also done on her bones.
"The chemical markers that were in her tissue and bones indicated she had not spent much time in Australia," Detective Sergeant Tim Attwood told Fairfax Media.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/little-gi...tim-of-wynarkas-homicide-20150923-gjt1ah.html
This is where they went wrong. Looking for 12 year old runaways in stead of a 20 year old mother. And for someone who had not spend much time in Australia. While she in fact had lived there all her life.
They narrowed it down so much that if it hadn't been for the Wynarka remains, both probably never would have gotten a name.
But her name should have showed up now in 2015 been off the grid after her 18 month old vaccination. She would have been 9 years old now. She should have been in school, had more vaccinations etc.
And combined with a missing persons report that was once filed (but closed a week later), her name should have showed up.