AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #5

[Found]

That's brilliant, thanks Makara. Very clear.

I sympathise with Makara as its a very fast paced thread and must be very difficult to maintain and appreciate you are trying to do the right thing. But the reality is if someone can find something on the net then anyone can... So if joe blogs finds a link for example to information about a child or ex convictions why should the responsibility lie with you to protect that information. The problem is the Internet and no matter what the police or you or anyone do to stop it it's still there.... I'm not suggesting you should allow people to post things that will affect the case, I understand why you are not. But how can you or the police stop the public.... They can say sub justice but if it's information freely available then there is no way to control public reaction. If it can't be discussed it should not be available.


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[Found]

The unregistered cars.... No offence but who cares. 2 people have been murdered. The police have way more to worry about.,


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[crabstick]

You will do, You will do

The unregistered cars.... No offence but who cares. 2 people have been murdered. The police have way more to worry about.,


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[Angeline]

Having stepped back from the case a little and in light of the recent facts, this is my opinion on how it unfolded:

DH and HP possibly had a volatile relationship to start with, and things got dark and twisted after the accident.

Possibly there was a case of jealousy when KP entered the picture and maybe DH was asked to prove his loyalty if you get my drift. It doesn't explain the extremely violent deaths, though.

If HP used the bank cards then she may have felt entitled, or that she was "owed", because of the affair or whatever happened.

Some women blame the other woman and not the man.

 

[Miss-e]

On the subject of cars someone mentioned only HP drove her car and not her carer.
Her car may have hand controls instead of a normal accelerator or some other alteration to make it easier for her to drive it.
Also an amputee friend was given a car by disability sa after their accident and amputation (for free). HP's car may also have been given to her after her accident.

 

[melsmemories]

Having stepped back from the case a little and in light of the recent facts, this is my opinion on how it unfolded:

DH and HP possibly had a volatile relationship to start with, and things got dark and twisted after the accident.

Possibly there was a case of jealousy when KP entered the picture and maybe DH was asked to prove his loyalty if you get my drift. It doesn't explain the extremely violent deaths, though.

If HP used the bank cards then she may have felt entitled, or that she was "owed", because of the affair or whatever happened.

Some women blame the other woman and not the man.

Imo this is a good possability . I still font believe karlie was murdered for money i think the fraud happened for proof of life and to them what they got was a bonus.

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[Found]

You will do, You will do

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[Seek]

So they rented a car while living in Alice Springs.

checking the date of the accident 15/9/2008....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...accused-killer-s-WALLET-four-years-death.html
another report says Wednesday the 15th...will find link if necessary.....http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2008&month=9

i'm just enquiring as to why a "family" with school aged children would be going on a trip while kids are supposed to be at school in the morning...Marla is 5 hrs out of Alice Springs.

http://www.australiatravelsearch.com.au/trc/hols.html

imo

 

[JaneSA]

I agree with melsmemories that the primary motive for Karlie's murder was unlikely to have been financial.
However, I still have difficulty imagining her in a relationship with DH, other than as the partner of her friend, (as per Angeline's theory).
I wish there was some way to find out who travelled from Adelaide to Canberra via Mt Gambier.
Was it Karlie and Khandles only in the car, or was another person with them?
That's why I am so curious about the Mt Gambier transactions on her card.
I think, and please correct me if I am wrong, that many people assume that DH was with Karlie on that trip.
Is there any evidence that he was, as far as anyone knows?
And regardless of whether she was alone with just Khandles or whether DH was with her, what was the reason for going to Canberra?

 

[Found]

Having stepped back from the case a little and in light of the recent facts, this is my opinion on how it unfolded:

DH and HP possibly had a volatile relationship to start with, and things got dark and twisted after the accident.

Possibly there was a case of jealousy when KP entered the picture and maybe DH was asked to prove his loyalty if you get my drift. It doesn't explain the extremely violent deaths, though.

If HP used the bank cards then she may have felt entitled, or that she was "owed", because of the affair or whatever happened.

Some women blame the other woman and not the man.

Agree. But also have visions of HP being in hospital and DH turning up all remorseful, heart broken, paying for her medications....... Don't worry babe I'll get that for you, etc. HP would not of been tripping around Aus. Nothing to suggest IMO atm withdrawals were her. Just the interviews at Centrelink etc.


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[melsmemories]

I agree with melsmemories that the primary motive for Karlie's murder was unlikely to have been financial.
However, I still have difficulty imagining her in a relationship with DH, other than as the partner of her friend, (as per Angeline's theory).
I wish there was some way to find out who travelled from Adelaide to Canberra via Mt Gambier.
Was it Karlie and Khandles only in the car, or was another person with them?
That's why I am so curious about the Mt Gambier transactions on her card.
I think, and please correct me if I am wrong, that many people assume that DH was with Karlie on that trip.
Is there any evidence that he was, as far as anyone knows?
And regardless of whether she was alone with just Khandles or whether DH was with her, what was the reason for going to Canberra?

Im wondering if she may have driven someone because they lost their license. They needed to go to canberra or mt gambier . Karlie may of been trying to help out

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[JaneSA]

Im wondering if she may have driven someone because they lost their license. They needed to go to canberra or mt gambier . Karlie may of been trying to help out

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Yeah, going via Mt Gambier is strange. It's a fair way out of the way if your destination is Canberra.
I wonder what the attraction was there?

 

[sosocurious]

26 July 2015
What police know about the child:
* Believed to be a girl .... indeed it was Khandalyce.
* Aged 2.5 - 4 years at time of death ....... 2008 when Karlie was last seen alive to 2012 when Karlies mother passed and bankcard use ceased.
* Likely Caucasian
* Had fair hair, 18cm long
* Was 90-95cm tall
* Was killed at another location
* Was killed some time since the start of 2007 .......
This while waiting on DNA profiles...evidently.

4 Aug
* Was killed at another location
* Was killed some time since the start of 2007 and 12-18 months ago.

Des Bray also noted there were only 28 dresses sold by Cotton on Kids throughout South Australia about eight years ago and it was not sold over the internet or in markets "so again that dress may hold the key".

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.Vjtgy_krKUk

It just feels to me as though Khandalyce name may have come and awaiting DNA. To confirmed against a living relative But her mother, grandmother and great grandmother had now passed away.

The link to Angel 1500 k's away may not have initially been made until LE followed the money. imo
The tutu, maybe.

5 Feb 2012.
The police have tried every avenue at their disposal to establish the victim's identity. All they have to go on is the frustrating age range based on dental x-rays - a female between 13 and 25years - and the even more frustrating length of time the body may have been in the area - anywhere between six months and 10years.
The bones were found with a size10 girl's T-shirt, short-sleeved with the word ''Angelic'' printed across the front in pink text, along with a rose and a heart with angel wings; the girl-woman has since been dubbed ''Angel''.
Police are treating the death as suspicious, although they're not saying how she died, and have combed the country's missing persons database to eliminate the possibility that she might tie in with other records.
There are no matches for her DNA, and while an examination of her teeth indicates that, like most people in Australia, she has had some ''Western-style'' dental work done, there have been no matches to any dental records, here or overseas.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/somebodys-daughter-20120205-1t8r9.html#ixzz3qd6TmSOu

The sad irony is the facial approximations were being run in the media (this article the 5 Feb 2012) and Colleen Povey passed on the 6 Feb 2012.

http://www.territorystories.nt.gov.au/bitstream/10070/238195/49/cadv10feb12049x.pdf

 

[crabstick]

There is a multitude of reasons the cars are unregistered. Unregistered cars have no current address attached to them. The unregistered cars are providing answers. And there maybe more than one reason the cars are unregistered. One car has, maybe stolen attached to it. It may be the very reason two people are dead.

Obviously we aren't privvy to other information that police have access so it makes it that little bit harder.

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The unregistered cars.... No offence but who cares. 2 people have been murdered. The police have way more to worry about.
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Its not what you think, its what the law thinks. The information becomes collated, centralised and the forum can be held liable.

I sympathise with Makara as its a very fast paced thread and must be very difficult to maintain and appreciate you are trying to do the right thing. But the reality is if someone can find something on the net then anyone can... So if joe blogs finds a link for example to information about a child or ex convictions why should the responsibility lie with you to protect that information. The problem is the Internet and no matter what the police or you or anyone do to stop it it's still there.... I'm not suggesting you should allow people to post things that will affect the case, I understand why you are not. But how can you or the police stop the public.... They can say sub justice but if it's information freely available then there is no way to control public reaction. If it can't be discussed it should not be available.


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[crabstick]

Could have just bought a new suitcase in Adelaide, but drove some distance out of the way taking a long route out the direct path to buy a suitcase out of town in Mt Gambier. Buys a new suitcase some distance already into a speculated vacation.
The card transactions show long distance travel in all directions, even after Karlies suspected murder.

Yeah, going via Mt Gambier is strange. It's a fair way out of the way if your destination is Canberra.
I wonder what the attraction was there?

 

[JaneSA]

Could have just bought a new suitcase in Adelaide, but drove some distance out of the way taking a long route out the direct path to buy a suitcase out of town in Mt Gambier. Buys a new suitcase some distance already into a speculated vacation.
The card transactions show long distance travel in all directions, even after Karlies suspected murder.

At this point we don't know what was purchased using Karlie's card at Strandbags, Mt Gambier.
It seems logical that it may be THE suitcase, but we just don't know.
We also don't know who used the card to purchase whatever it was.

"The card transactions show long distance travel in all directions, even after Karlies suspected murder."
I wonder if there was more than one card attached to the account.
I have 2 cards for one of my own bank accounts, one that I use and one that my husband has that he rarely uses. But just going by my bank statements I can't actually tell which card was used for any single transaction.
However, it may be that the bank can tell which card was used.
But my point is that if there were 2 cards it could reduce the extraordinary amount of travelling that seems to have been done.
All just supposition though.

 

[Wozzie]

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/news/so...576888695?sv=ce085ebbf301031f9131948fa39b70c8

Ok WOW. This article just put a completely new spin on events for me.

So K&K saw HP & DH at the Darwin car show in August. Knew each other from Alice Springs (my assumption unsure if fact?)
The car accident happened in SA in Sept when HP/DH were on their travels (en route to Adelaide perhaps just as part of their holiday?)
K&K didnt arrive in SA until Nov, (sighted past Coober Pedy).
So is it likely that HP needed specialised care at SA rehab centre, no family to help as all back in Nothern Territory. Karlie offered to come and help out for a while with HP/DH & 2yo? Maybe the litttle ones got along really well & Karlie was in a position to stay with them and help out.
In the space of maybe just over a month of arriving in SA she was killed.
Things would have been so tough for HP. I could only imagine the emotional & physical trauma she was experiencing. What if K&K were staying with them to help out & HP got jealous/suspicious that DH had an eye for Karlie (or vice versa) & just lost it and kicked them both out.
DH prob had no car/licence after the accident? Maybe he asked KP to give him a ride to ACT (his family from there?) and he would pay petrol money. Maybe when there she resisited his advances and his rage (at evrything) finally spilled over. Then had to get Khandles out of picture also. Big problem after that is he needs his mess fixed so he doesnt get caught for murder. Maybe calls HP and begs her to have him back telling her that he would do anything for her, they are all he has left and Karlie is no longer a problem, gets HP on board. HP takes him back. The fraud is part of the murder cover up and the money is a fortunate kick-back.

All just speculation on my behalf, I could be way off. But the article was answered a few things for me.

Oh, also re the suitcase clothes...without getting too morbid, what if HP kept the clothes of her eldest children from the trip? The belongings from the crash were probably all been handed back to her at later date by SA police. Edited to add: Is it possible Khandalyce was initially placed in her suitcase with her clothes, then all contents moved at a later date into the suitcase containing clothing/belongings from the accident? Maybe done in a rush when leaving the house in a hurry in 2011... Ditched it roadside in a panic scenario like Bliss oulined in a previous post (saw lights up ahead thinking police stop). Just more musings. Have no more time/brain power to think/research anymore so not too sure on timelines of transactions etc.

 

[sosocurious]

At this point we don't know what was purchased using Karlie's card at Strandbags, Mt Gambier.
It seems logical that it may be THE suitcase, but we just don't know.
We also don't know who used the card to purchase whatever it was.

"The card transactions show long distance travel in all directions, even after Karlies suspected murder."
I wonder if there was more than one card attached to the account.
I have 2 cards for one of my own bank accounts, one that I use and one that my husband has that he rarely uses. But just going by my back statements I can't actually tell which card was used for any single transaction.
However, it may be that the bank can tell which card was used.
But my point is that if there were 2 cards it could reduce the extraordinary amount of travelling that seems to have been done.
All just supposition though.

That would be a joint account in 2 names though, wouldn't it?

 

[JaneSA]

Do you also find it odd that K and K were photographed in Marion Shopping Centre at some point in their travels between Alice Springs and Mt Gambier, but there are no card transactions there?
Maybe she used cash.
But it seems to me that she went to Marion specifically to meet someone, as opposed to do a spot of shopping.
I wonder who took that photo in which she looks so unhappy and why they kept them for 7 years?
I wonder if it was the person she went there to meet (if she did) or just a casual acquaintance she bumped into by chance?
Personally, I tend to move my photos whenever I have a new computer or a new phone and at that time I also tend to delete any that aren't the best shots of people.
I still have many photos from 7 years ago but I doubt I would remember who is in them.

 

[JaneSA]

That would be a joint account in 2 names though, wouldn't it?

No, the account is just in my name but with 2 cards.
It's my name on both cards and to me they appear identical.
They are both debit cards, not credit.