AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #4

[Bundy]

I have another thought. What if the suitcase with clothing and remains was transported by a woman who was a passenger in a truck? She had a destination other than 2km to Wynarka, who knows which.
Maybe the driver sometime was very angry with her, threw her out of his truck and the suitcase followed with impetus. The suitcase woman either went hitchhiking with the next truck/car or ran away on foot, without taking the now even more dirty case.

All people are searching an elderly suitcase man. Nobody is searching a young woman, who was perhaps seen near the suitcase dumping place or walking beside the highway or taking another car near that place and who seemed nervous or agitated .....

IF the driver had molested her before throwing her out, then he has a very good reason not to call police .....

Yeah I have a feeling the case was tossed from a ute or truck, it is worth while for non aussies to remember though that we travel on the left, so it's pretty safe to assume the vehicle would be travelling away from Wynarka towards Murray Bridge.

 

[ThaiBali]

The buses and drivers would have been checked out. Being a small place the driver wouldn't have forgotten dropping a male off there. In Australia the bus drivers are very chatty always a hello and goodbye. If there were a connection there'd have been a lot more emphasis on people who were on the bus to contact the police and this hasn't been done so I think we can eliminate the bus scenario.

 

[AtaraMalka]

If I found a strange suitcase in my garden I would call the police I'm not gonna open something that could contain something I really don't want to find. Certainly not after Wynarka.

Where I live they don't pick up stuff like that. Only what fits into your bin. You can call to have stuff picked up, but that's really expensive. About 5 times as expensive as driving it to the dump yourself. Or leave it for free if it can be sold as second hand stuff.

Absolutely.

I don't think many people would just take matters into their own hands and get rid of it.

I also think that most people would be apprehensive about looking inside. Which is why, in my opinion, the idea that someone just dumped the case as though it was rubbish is unlikely.

(Thanks for the info on collections.)

 

[debirlfan]

Somewhere upthread I believe there was a mention that the ground in the area was very hard once you got past the surface layer? If so, that might explain the body being stored rather than buried, especially if the killer was female/older.

 

[AtaraMalka]

I'm struggling to understand why someone would want to stage a walkabout to distract from a suitcase that hasn't yet had its contents discovered. It just doesn't add up.

Maybe it was to attract attention to a suitcase that he wanted to have discovered...

 

[AtaraMalka]

Sorry in advance for the long post: I’m just trying to get my head around a few things and it helps to write it out….

Here’s my (current) theory:

I’m going with a DV situation years ago.

I think Angel was murdered somewhere on the outskirts of Wynarka, family living off the grid. I’m going with Wynarka because I cannot think of one other reason why suitcase man would walk through the small township. I think the suitcase and Angel were located in or near Wynarka. That can be the only reason he would walk through the town. I think he travelled to Wynarka to retrieve the suitcase. I think he is protecting someone.

How did he get to Wynarka?

If he drove or was dropped off, why did he then need to walk through the town and out onto the highway?

I’ve checked the bus timetables and stops: LinkSA runs just one service a week - (Fridays only) that passes through Wynarka, or anywhere close. The bus leaves Karoonda at 9.00am and arrives at Wynarka at 9.15am. However, this stop must be pre-booked. I don’t think suitcase man would have done that. He may have alighted instead at the nearest stop: Kulde. This is 9.7 kms from Wynarka – 7 minutes by car or a 1hr 55 min walk. The timing of the bus arrival and the sighting of suitcase man walking through town don’t work.

If, however, he caught the bus the day before, leaving Murray Bridge at 2.30pm, he would have arrived in Wynarka (again, this stop must be pre booked) at 3.15pm. He may have stayed overnight (previously-arranged) or gained entry to a now-abandoned house. This would give him time to collect the suitcase and would explain why he was seen walking through the town at such an early hour.

I do believe the witnesses actually saw suitcase man.
I don’t believe he was a local.
I think he arrived in Wynarka initially without the suitcase. There was no reason for him to be there, other than to retrieve the suitcase.

I think that as he walked through Wynarka, he was so lost in the enormity of his mission that he was actually oblivious to anyone or anything around him.
I think he just kept walking down the highway, struggling with what to do.
Perhaps an oncoming truck jolted him out of his reverie and he quickly placed the suitcase behind the bushes.
I have so many questions about suitcase man.
Where did he go after dropping off the suitcase? Was he picked up?
What was the catalyst that brought him to Wynarka that first day?
Was he Angel’s grandfather….

Very interesting.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

SBM

Looking at this makes me wonder if he had nothing to do with this, if the sightings happened to be on Fridays. It seems entirely possible that he lives out of town and doesn't really know anyone who lives right in town. If he were going to visit his grandchildren (or anyone else), he may have been dropped off in a car and then walked to wherever the bus would pick him up. I'd rather think he was involved just so we have a little more to go on, but I like to look at all possibilities.

MOO

If I'm not wrong, the sightings of suitcase man were on a Monday (13.4.) and a Tuesday (26.5.).

 

[AtaraMalka]

Yep, that's what I was wondering.

If original dumper was at the Karoonda Farm Fair and dumped it before or after attending, and then saw his photo in the paper or online in a crowd at the event, he may have thought that this could be used as evidence that he was in the area a the time.
So he staged the suitcase walk about later so that when the case was found the police would assumed it was dumped later.

So what about this - he dumped the case maybe before dawn on his way to Karoonda and remembered only the rough location. Once he realised he could be placed at the Farm Fair he decided to move it.
He looked for it but realised he didn't know exactly where it was and searching for it for days would have been noted as odd behaviour on the side of the road.
So he stages his wanderings, intending to be seen but not recognised, so that at least the police will be confused by the dates.

Yes but at the same time, the more appearances he makes, the greater the likelihood that police will somehow catch up with him - at which point he has to find an explanation as to why he was in Wynarka. If it is such a tiny place with no reason to go there apart from visiting people, then what would he say?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It might, depending on what dyes were used. I've seen fabrics that were black fade out to blue. Note that the "sample" suitcase the police displayed along with the mannikin wearing the tutu was black - if it had originally been blue, I'd assume they would have shown a blue one.

You are right with the shown suitcase. That bothers me since the first photo.

 

[kiwi50]

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If you wander around Wynarka using Google Streets there is just "stuff" lying about everywhere.

I keep going back to this place. I seem to be drawn to it, probably cos it looks sort of creepy.
But look how many open sheds there are around this tiny town.
It's a thief's paradise!

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-35...iTqDqcWM-h5lq-Mx-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Thank you for that, has certainly given me a new perspective on Wynarka.
agree re all the sheds and creepy house/houses

 

[AtaraMalka]

If you wander around Wynarka using Google Streets there is just "stuff" lying about everywhere.

I keep going back to this place. I seem to be drawn to it, probably cos it looks sort of creepy.
But look how many open sheds there are around this tiny town.
It's a thief's paradise!

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-35...iTqDqcWM-h5lq-Mx-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

It's very late here in NY (1.45 am) and I don't think it's a good idea for me to look at this just before bed! Hopefully I'll pluck up the courage in the morning!

 

[JaneSA]

People have asked if the soil in the area was hard.
Having driven through many times, my impression is that it is not, so I looked it up.

Regarding the soil in Wynarka, "Its soil is mainlyloamy sand with shallow calcrete stone evident".
Found this info here >>> http://msfp.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/NoTill-Seeding-into-Pasture-Ground.pdf

So digging to bury a suitcase or a body would be fairly easy.

 

[Kyja]

I think it's unlikely that suitcase man is from anywhere near Wynarka. It's a rural town that you would miss if you blinked so I get the feeling he probably drove there purely to dump the suitcase with Angels remains which may be why he was wandering around with it. Maybe he was looking for somewhere obvious but not too obvious to put her. I think he returned several weeks later to possibly move her again but found the suitcase was disturbed so he just left. For all we know this man and Angel could be from anywhere in Australia. I'm really beginning to think she isn't local to that area. My opinion only of course

 

[Deleted member 102539]

May I tell you a very different thought which I had some times ago already. I posted that on another thread but had no encouragement. I will use only initials and maybe, you will google it (I'm sure you will find it quick).

5.4.2015 Murder in Leeton, female teacher St. S., 26yo
6.4.2015 Twin brother M. St. (24yo) in Forreston, farm Adelaide Hills, gets a call from his identical twin brother V. St. in Leeton
8.4.2015 V. St. (24yo), male school cleaner, is arrested in Leeton, charged for murder of teacher
13.4.2015 Suitcase man (elderly about 60yo) in Wynarka is seen
31.4.2015 Until this day twin brother M. St. of Forreston helps his brother V. St. to cover up the murder (charged later)
26.5.2015 Suitcase man (elderly about 60yo) in Wynarka is seen the second time
10.6.2015 Identical twin brother M. St., Forreston, is arrested, charged as an accomplice to his twin V. St. in Leeton

Unfortunately I'm short with time this morning and tell only briefly.
V. St., Leeton, came 2014 from the Netherlands with mother and another brother (not the twin), was born in Tasmania and lived in NL until 2014.
He is authistic and one can't assume, that he managed the murder and the cover up alone without help.
On WS we had discussed whether the murder of the teacher could be V. St.'s first murder or not. We had discussed also whether his identical twin had something to do with the murder and perhaps with an earlier murder, maybe in the Netherlands already.
Both brothers have a father, maybe elderly around 60yo, who is also living somewhere in Australia. He didn't appear in any news until now. The mother of the twins and a brother of the twins, both living in Leeton as the murderer V. St., were mentioned in the news (they helped police) and were pictured. No picture at all of the father of the twins (initials St. St.) and no interview - that's unusual.
My thought: M. St. of Forreston maybe drove to his twin V. St. to help the authistic with the cover up. Route Adelaide Hills to Leeton, possibly through Wynarka. There was a murder of a little girl before, done by him or his twin, in the Netherlands or in Australia, the remains were in Forreston in a suitcase. After the murder of the teacher in Leeton M. St. had to get rid of these remains asap because he had to fear a police search of his home. He drove to Leeton in a hurry and droped the suitcase on his way near Wynarka. He arrived perhaps 6.4. in Leeton and helped his authistic twin with the cover up.

After this maybe the unknown father of the twins (could be 60yo) helped somehow his twin sons to cover up the twin conspiracy. Maybe he searched the dumped suitcase to hide it better than before. The suitcase which M. St. from Forreston had dumped on his way from Forreston to Leeton.

I hope, you are able to understand, what I try to explain?
For me, it makes sense. The question "Had there ever been another murder before the murder of teacher St. S.?" would clarify. Perp: one of the identical twins. The question "Who is the suitcase man and why doesn't he call police?" would clarify. He is the father and helped the twins to cover up. The question "Who, when, where, who helped whom?" would clarify in the Leeton murder and also in the Wynarka murder. The question "Who is the little girl?" would perhaps clarify. She maybe an unregistered child out of the area Adelaide Hills/Forreston/a farm there.

I'm going to my holidays now and I will answer any question, when/if I will have access to the Internet again.
Please google the story, you will find enough.

P.S.: Could be a reason, why we don't see a phantom pic of the elderly suitcase man (if police is on the trace already).
Btw: M. St. of Forreston came earlier than his twin from the Netherlands and settled near Adelaide. Authistic twin V. St. came with mother and brother L. St. later and they settled at Leeton. The separated father of all 3 boys came before his ex-family from the NL to Australia.

 

[minime]

Leeton is in New South Wales and a fair distance from Wynarka in South Australia. If you were driving from Forreston to Leeton you would not bypass Wynarka.

 

[JaneSA]

Leeton is in New South Wales and a fair distance from Wynarka in South Australia. If you were driving from Forreston to Leeton you would not bypass Wynarka.

You might

 

[DropBear]

I was about to say the same thing. You wouldn't drive through Wynarka on the way from Forreston to Leeton. It would be a big detour on a little-known route. It's not a popular route in any case, and no reason to drive that way at all.

 

[Makara]

FromGermany is referring to the Stephanie Scott case at the link below and it is open for discussion. There has been no indication that the father of the two accused is involved in any way and we'll leave it at that.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...on-NSW-5-April-2015-3&p=11967957#post11967957

 

[Oz Jen]

The buses and drivers would have been checked out. Being a small place the driver wouldn't have forgotten dropping a male off there. In Australia the bus drivers are very chatty always a hello and goodbye. If there were a connection there'd have been a lot more emphasis on people who were on the bus to contact the police and this hasn't been done so I think we can eliminate the bus scenario.

Great point. Which leaves me with a possible 3 scenarios:

1/ He was a local. I do not believe that.

2/ He was dropped off: so why leave him to walk through the town? Surely, if you're going to go to the effort of driving then dropping him off, you'd wait till he'd retrieved the suitcase and drive him on further to a convenient drop off point?

3/ He drove: in which case, why the walk through town? Maybe drove somewhere out of town, then backtracked to retrieve the suitcase, walked 2kms, dumped the suitcase, got in his car - doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Then again, nothing about this case does.

 

[Korrigan]

I'm a city girl, so when I moved to a tiny country town a few things surprised me. Ours is a friendly, close-knit community. One of the things about the collection of clothes in the suitcase, and I may be totally off-beam here, made me think of something I learned from living in a tiny community. The families, whether related or not, tend to share around the clothes for the kids, as in hand-me-downs may go from one family to another. Not just in the family. So something 'pretty' or 'good' might have several owners (and wearers) within the town. I've just noticed how many times the police show the black tutu, both on the model and the degraded version. Pure speculation but maybe it was a 'pretty' piece of clothing shared among various families over time. Maybe trying to stir someone into action. As I said, just pure speculation.

The other thing is the things specialists can tell from teeth. And how the police might have been able to tell fairly quickly where the little girl was living in terms of geographical location.

"Teeth also consist of organic and inorganic materials, but unlike bone, once formed, dental enamel does not remodel. Consequently, teeth are very useful for determining the environment and conditions of an individual's early life. (i.e., when their teeth formed). In addition, comparisons of teeth and bone tissues in a single individual whether a person moved geographic locations since childhood: their teeth will show where they lived where they were young and their bones will show where they lived in the years before their death.

Hair and fingernails may also be useful for isotopic analyses. Although they are more fragile than bone, they grow at predictable rates, and reflect an individual's very recent past. This may be useful for determining if an individual recently changed locations or for studying seasonal dietary changes."

Bolding mine. Link to article here http://www.sfu.museum/forensics/eng/pg_media-media_pg/isotopes/