Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #2

[srper2]

Yes, there would likely be other dishes that were served. It would be unusual imo to invite people for lunch and serve only a slice of beef Wellington without at least one or two other things like a salad, some vegetables, gravy, and dessert. None of that leftover to provide to the health department though…

Mushroom soup......

 

[LacieL]

Another thought that has played on my mind is that if she did it, it could be about being the centre of attention and proving what she is capable of. Maybe the people she chose were mostly a convenience. There was an article earlier where someone in the community (sorry I can’t remember exactly) described her as naive. If that was a wildly held perception of her, could she have resented it enough to do something like this?

Maybe the lies and changing story is deliberate misdirection to keep herself in the spotlight. Aspects of her behavior have been very performative - the “crying” interview, also packing the suitcase and leaving for melbourne, drip feeding information to the press…

I’m not sure I’m particularly convinced by what I just wrote. I definitely don’t know enough about psychology to know if it’s feasible.

 

[silvercrown]

Mushroom Truffles Recipe

These mushroom truffles from Nuno Mendes may sound a little obscure but make wonderful petit fours for a large gathering or party

www.greatbritishchefs.com

…? Lol

 

[silvercrown]

I jest, but if the reports are true and she’s a fairly experienced mushroom forager, it’s likely she’s tried a vast range of mushroom recipes

 

[srper2]

The Korumburra ('Burra) Flyer...I always grab a copy when I go into the local 'Burra IGA to purchase my poison mushooms....

Burra Flyer — Korumburra Community Website

korumburra3950.com.au

..Edited to add: I worked in Korumburra for years and it is a lovely town, great cafes and shops and people!

 

[k-mac]

MSN

www.msn.com

Supermarkets and mushroom suppliers have insisted there is zero chance they would sell poisonous fungi after Erin Patterson claimed she bought the ingredients from a grocery store instead of foraging for them.


But producers have emphatically denied that poisonous mushrooms would ever be sold to customers - with Coles and Woolworths the latest to defend their products.

The consequences of lying are far reaching.

 

[srper2]

Another thought that has played on my mind is that if she did it, it could be about being the centre of attention and proving what she is capable of. Maybe the people she chose were mostly a convenience. There was an article earlier where someone in the community (sorry I can’t remember exactly) described her as naive. If that was a wildly held perception of her, could she have resented it enough to do something like this?

Maybe the lies and changing story is deliberate misdirection to keep herself in the spotlight. Aspects of her behavior have been very performative - the “crying” interview, also packing the suitcase and leaving for melbourne, drip feeding information to the press…

I’m not sure I’m particularly convinced by what I just wrote. I definitely don’t know enough about psychology to know if it’s feasible.

"Naive", but savvy enough to not work and be able to purchase multiple houses. Did she really inherit all that money from her mother or have other elderly people mysteriously died here and there and left her their estates.....how did both her parents die.....MOO......

 

[k-mac]

"Naive", but savvy enough to not work and be able to purchase multiple houses. Did she really inherit all that money from her mother or have other elderly people mysteriously died here and there and left her their estates.....how did both her parents die.....MOO......

Put money on the first thing LE did was check......

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yes, and IMO she knows it -- hence the weak attempt at deflection to some Asian shop who (to her way of possibly racist thinking) clearly would be ignorant enough to harvest death caps and package them for sale with hand-written labels saying who knows what ... but for sale only to her because no one else was similarly poisoned in the three months since she bought them.

Give me a break!

I don't think it's inherently racist - if she knew they sell packs of dried mushrooms in the polish shop or the african shop or the russian shop she would have said that. Possibly she is also racist. Also possibly the act of assigning 'blame' onto any minority group is a form of prejudice but I think she was trying to think of a shop / market where there wouldn't be CCTV or receipts that she could be held account to unlike say she went into a supermarket. Maybe she'd have been best to say 'the farmers market' or the 'organic growers pop up stall' and then we might all believe that there's someone selling foraged mushrooms.

 

[Puggo]

The following is purely MOO:

The more I think about this case, the more it reminds me of what was called Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

Factitious disorder imposed on another - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Theoretically, if someone was so confident in their perfect crime that if they plan to make themselves a victim too:

1. Feign the same illness; and /or
2. Claim to have made a terrible mistake;

They honestly believe that they will not only get away with murder, but if anyone challenges accuses them, they claim also to be a victim of the tragedy.

It's a very cyncial way for a perpetrator to attempt to disguise their adverse emotional reactions to being challenged.

What does a perpetrator here want?

1. The homicide without penalty;
2. The vindication of their own superiority or struggles;
3. Attention;

*Plenty* of attention:

Leongatha suspected mushroom poisoning: Erin Patterson says media has portrayed her as an ‘evil witch’

Woman at centre of Victoria mushroom lunch that left three dead says she feels trapped in her home because reporters are camped outside

www.theguardian.com

Again my opinion only. Something just seems so ... off here.

But please keep an open mind, the same was for Lindy Chamberlain... she was different.
And the trial by media was a gross miscarriage of journalism driving justice.

 

[bearbear]

but someone could still pick them, dehydrate them, package them and sell them and she did say the dried mushrooms she bought were in a package with a handwritten label

some asian stores sell specialised herbs and spices specifically for their asian customers, i wonder if death cap mushrooms have any medicinal properties in tiny amounts or used topically for skin conditions etc?

 

[ch_13]

For one thing he was her former husband, not currently married, living apart for years before formally separating in Jan '21.
so that's all done and dusted and it will take more than an anonymous account in a dailymail story to turn it into a fact.
Facts matter and we have almost none.

It really doesn't matter when he canceled. She had her former in-laws over for lunch without her ex-husband being present, right? That just seems very strange to me, Daily Mail stories notwithstanding.

I understand maintaining a cordial relationship for the sake of the children, but this whole social gathering without either the ex or the kids present is a whole other matter.

 

[JLZ]

Can someone tell me what it means to be "into unicorns"?

 

[jjleroche]

She provided the poisonous lunch. That is not in question ....and is the bones of why we are here.

Throwing out the dehydrator is like shooting someone and getting rid of the gun.

If she shot someone in self defence there would be no need to get rid of the gun.
But if she shot the person deliberately....she might wanna get rid of it and its incriminating evidence.

Same theory applies here.

'The who' pushed her to get rid of the evidence.... is still not the serial killer.

IMO mental illness is going to play a very big role in this story.

I disagree with the statement "She provided the poisonous lunch. That is not in question."

As far as I'm aware, there has been no such official statement (unless I've missed something, in which case, I'll stand corrected.)

IMO there would still be substantial investigative work to be undertaken, along with toxicology results, before such a definitive statement could be officially made. JMO

 

[LadyL]

I expect that after she has stated several times that the only mushrooms she used were purchased at stores, indicating that she is "insinuating" that if the people died of mushroom poisoning, It can't possibly be her fault, because all the mushrooms she used were store bought, the mushroom growers association would feel the need to make a statement to refute her "insinuations" that people could be at risk of death by mushroom poisoning of they purchase mushrooms at stores.

Exactly what I was trying to explain but you did it better lol.

 

[JLZ]

It really doesn't matter when he canceled. She had her former in-laws over for lunch without her ex-husband being present, right? That just seems very strange to me, Daily Mail stories notwithstanding.

I understand maintaining a cordial relationship for the sake of the children, but this whole social gathering without either the ex or the kids present is a whole other matter.

When he cancelled is relevant to food preparation, with this meal likely prepared at least one day in advance.

 

[JBowie]

some asian stores sell specialised herbs and spices specifically for their asian customers, i wonder if death cap mushrooms have any medicinal properties in tiny amounts or used topically for skin conditions etc?

"Toxins are substances created by plants and animals that are poisonous (toxic) to humans. Toxins may also include some medicines that are helpful in small doses, but poisonous in large amounts" -- Medical Encyclopedia


"Among poisonous compounds retrieved in mushrooms, there are specific toxic proteins/peptides that promote toxic effects acting on different targets (e.g., ribosome-inactivating proteins and ribotoxin-like proteins damaging ribosomes; proteins with haemolytic effect; lectins able to destroy erythrocytes and cyclic peptides that are selective inhibitors of RNA polymerase II).

On the other hand, in the foreseeable future, these toxic polypeptides may become a possible tool for their use in the treatment of several human diseases or in plant biotechnology applications to attain resistance against pests/pathogens."

Toxins

Toxins, an international, peer-reviewed Open Access journal.

www.mdpi.com

 

[ch_13]

When he cancelled is relevant to food preparation, with this meal likely prepared at least one day in advance.

I agree.

Perhaps I should have been more precise. I meant that whether or not he canceled the same day or earlier than that, it was bizarre to still go ahead with the get-together. Especially as the kids wouldn't be present either.

Even if Erin didn't cancel, why did the others still come?

 

[Tbone144]

She provided the poisonous lunch. That is not in question ....and is the bones of why we are here.

Throwing out the dehydrator is like shooting someone and getting rid of the gun.

If she shot someone in self defence there would be no need to get rid of the gun.
But if she shot the person deliberately....she might wanna get rid of it and its incriminating evidence.

Same theory applies here.

'The who' pushed her to get rid of the evidence.... is still not the serial killer.

IMO mental illness is going to play a very big role in this story.

That’s the way I see it.

She didn’t think medical personnel would figure out they were poisoned by mushrooms, why would they, she poisoned her ex and they were none the wiser.

Ex mentions is that what you used to poison them in regard to dehydrator.

Now she goes into panic mode. They figured out what she was up to and starts disposing of evidence. Toss the dehydrator, I wouldn’t be surprised if she got rid of some cutting boards and a few other things that came in contact with mushrooms and dumped lots of bleach down her drains for good measure.

IMOO

 

[k-mac]

I disagree with the statement "She provided the poisonous lunch. That is not in question."

As far as I'm aware, there has been no such official statement (unless I've missed something, in which case, I'll stand corrected.)

IMO there would still be substantial investigative work to be undertaken, along with toxicology results, before such a definitive statement could be officially made. JMO

Bombshell claims as woman at centre of fatal mushroom lunch ‘clears the record’

Erin Patterson has given her first detailed account of what transpired before and after the fatal lunch.

7news.com.au

The woman who cooked a meal that is believed to have led to the mushroom poisoning and subsequent deaths of three people has spoken out, claiming she bought the fungi at a supermarket and an Asian grocery store.

Does that not mean she provided the poisonous lunch?


Thats why she is the suspect.


mainstream media are official WS sources of information.