Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #10

[willough]

Cccclllaareb posted a quote that there will be news in tomorrow's Sunday Mail - we'll have to wait a few more hours! Geeze, hope it's a big step forward - it's so slow and quiet atm!

In the end i realised that....Initially I thought she meant that if we went over to twitter, the info was there.

Thanxabunch for responding

 

[Ixnaye]

Hi all - GBC at the show again tonight. Saw him a few times in the distance then another time realised he was coming towards me and brushed past me - I couldn't look at him. Seething.

He's a real social butterfly isn't he......:furious:

 

[pudwink]

Hawkins: The criminal law exists for the State to punish offenders not primarily to assist victims. If one of my children was sexually assaulted I would never allow them in court. The system can be brutalizing and is far from perfect. It does not set out to find the truth or to obtain the best outcome for anyone. That's not commonly understood. Your friend may well have suffered more because of the justice system. In the olden days male relatives took care of rapists. In some cases that was probably the best outcome.
Go figure.

The law is an *advertiser censored*-sometimes

 

[brightspark]

Hi all - GBC at the show again tonight. Saw him a few times in the distance then another time realised he was coming towards me and brushed past me - I couldn't look at him. Seething.

Was he on his own? Where was the family?

 

[CaseClosed]

Hi everyone, this is my first post. I have read all of the threads and been following the case through the media etc. since before Allison was found. This tragedy is just so sad on so many levels. All I can do is pray for God's comfort, and strength for the whole family and friends (all sides) and great wisdom and integrity for the QPS in bringing the TRUE perpetrator(s) to justice.

I do have some thoughts, questions and observations though that I am happy to share. Just for background I don't live in QLD though I did grow up there (but not Brookfield) and I don't know anyone at all involved with this case. I had never even heard of the Baden-Clay family before this tragedy.

I can understand why people seem so focussed on GBC being the prime suspect, though I am not personally convinced that he did it. I believe that the police know far more than we know and we do have to be careful not to judge and mock someone who may well be innocent and in quite significant grief. Yes, if he is found to be the person who has done it he does deserve the full force of the law and judgement.......but let's wait till then. I am more interested in QPS arresting the right person(s) and taking the time to get it right rather than being in a hurry to get an arrest.

The amount of things that seem to have "leaked" (whether they are true or not is another question) from people who seem to know someone who is part of the investigation etc. bothers me too. It raises questions in me of the integrity of the staff investigating. Surely in this line of work, you wouldn't even tell your family snippets let alone anyone else. Surely it is part of the training of police officers to maintain confidentiality/ privacy/ secrecy of investigations. If these leaks are indeed true leaks and not just local gossip then this is something serious that QPS need to look at. I do have hope that indeed the staff are acting with integrity and aren't leaking info and so therefore I will disregard any info that has come this way.

Some questions that I have:
1. GBC could well have reported accurately and honestly to the police. If that is the case he was asleep at 10:00 at night. Could someone have come to the door after he was asleep and confronted Allison resulting in events that lead to her demise? Perhaps GBC is a heavy sleeper, maybe he was medicated or his bedroom may have been away from the front door or carport area. Some medications do make people more sleepy less alert etc. Perhaps for whatever reason he slept through whatever happened.
2. People have raised questions about why the police acted so quickly initially. I wonder whether GBC and ABC could have had any threats made to them in regards to any of their business dealings/ loan/ debts or whatever. Perhaps GBC informed the police of such concerns and that is what triggered the quick response. I don't know... this is just an idea. Then, if this is the case perhaps GBC could only tell them so much.....so as to let the police discover for themselves rather than being an informer.....perhaps at risk to his own or other members of his family's life etc.

I have to go.....family responsibilities beckon.......but I do promise to come back and write more.

Hi, welcome. IMO much of the rumours posted here are actually not from leaks from QPS but more from locals and friends of friends, etc.

There was a comment a few days ago in an article in the CM (I believe it was by the Commissioner?) regarding why police responded so quickly in this case and it said something along the lines of "concern for the welfare of women and children" in certain cases. To me that indicated that there was no concern for the "husbands" ... therefore, IMO it reads like in this case the husband was not at risk. I personally don't believe there was any threat or conspiracy or loan sharks, etc.

I will try and find the link to that article in posted in a little while.

 

[Thinking]

Was he on his own? Where was the family?

He appeared to be on his own with one or two children when we saw him. It was so crowded, but he never appeared to be with any adult in particular. I can verify the beard is still in full growth and he looks like cr@p which was kind of a relief.

 

[wakeskate]

Like in any profession, some detectives are better than others and some are stupid. Some are corrupt and some are incompetent. Mosty are people of integrity, hard working and highly comptetent. ...

Yes, but when you have 20 (I think that was the number) in the one room, working with _all_ the evidence and facts, I can guarantee they ran through every scenario discussed here long before it was posted.
Even though it seems some people treat this thread as a job, it is actually their job to talk and analysis this case at least 8 hours of the day, which I am sure they did if not more.
People coming up with information about tracking iphones and GPS's logging routes and ringing up crimestoppers to let them know about it are just kidding themselves. That sort of stuff is childs play to anyone who knows what they are doing and I can guarantee the detectives had people working on that from the time they realised it wasn't a missing persons case.

I agree, not all professional people are as smart or effective as each other, but put 20 of them in a room the would have a dozen scenarios that field police would be out looking at by lunch time.

 

[CaseClosed]

Hi kiwi50, I also wonder why a person would throw away a phone and sim card by the side of the road and not in a rubbish bin. IMO the perp is driving away from the scene and remembers they still have the phone and throws it out the car window thinking it will land far enough away to not be found but it actually hits the guard rail and lands on the road which is how the police found it. I know the police have ruled it out but could this be false information to perhaps trick the offender. Does anyone know if they are allowed to do this (false info) or does any info released have to be factual.

I know that in the US they can "create scenarios" to set-up people (like photos of a dead person riddled with bullet, who was supposed to have been killed on a contract by his lover, but in fact he was alive and well and the police had set it up to capture the lover). I would assume it can be done here too, but I might be wrong.

 

[willough]

He's a real social butterfly isn't he......:furious:

I do understand that for the girls, it's good. But I am like you, I feel so angered to see him out. Almost like he is a politician, trying to get the votes off the people. He gets the chance to show the world, his fatherly ways, after he did this.............................while his wife is rotting in a grave (sorry if that sounds crass).

 

[Thinking]

Now I'm sharing this because I love it when other locals share their tidbits!

It may or may not be true, so please take it with a grain of salt. I will be proven right or wrong tomorrow anyway.

I was in a line up at the show with my family, and in front of us in line was a local polly. I heard him say the name "Gerard" so my ears pricked up! The polly was telling his wife that he "had a long conversation with Gerard just then" then the next bit I heard was "he is really stressed because they are doing a piece in the paper tomorrow about his affair."

Small town! Someone is always listening So, it is probably just going to be a story on the affair, which we kind of all know about anyway don't we (although I wonder how much detail it will include about the who and when etc etc).

I couldn't stop thinking about Allison tonight. So very sad imagining her there in previous years, it is such a great family event. It isn't fair.

 

[Maxymoo]

Adding to the above, one only needs to provide name, address and date of birth to police. Until the person is charged, no need to provide a statement.

Even after they have been charged they have the right to silence. If it goes to court the accused does not have to give evidence. I think h'e the type who would want to get in the box because he is so charming and handsome how could they not believe he's inno:Banane41::Banane57::bicycle:cent. IMO

 

[Ixnaye]

I do understand that for the girls, it's good. But I am like you, I feel so angered to see him out. Almost like he is a politician, trying to get the votes off the people. He gets the chance to show the world, his fatherly ways, after he did this.............................while his wife is rotting in a grave (sorry if that sounds crass).

Of course I want the girls to be out having fun and enjoying the show and they went last night with their dad.

Allison's parents said in today's paper that they were taking the girls to the show today so if the girls are in the company of the Dickies I don't see why GBC is out at the show again. I'm sure he is the last person the Dickies want to spend time with, I am sure they would rather their son in law spent time with the police helping to find their daughters killer not out socialising and sympathy seeking at the Brookfield Show

 

[heloise]

I agree with you Hawkins. However, the rapist who has been let off has to live with his conscience for the rest of his life. Then again, it may not bother him.

 

[wakeskate]

yeah the only way I think you would notice the colour of the car along Mt. Crosby road at night was if they were under the street lights. There are street lights on the corner where the mower place is at Anstead and it is quite well lit there... the next set of street lights is on the road leading down into Karana Downs which is past the Kholo Bridge where she was found - it is really quite a dark road at night.

I can only think of three places that would be obvious at night if you were to spot a car.

- Turn off from Moggill Road onto Mt Crosby road. Well lit intersection and anyone coming off Mt Crosby Road would see cars for 50 metres either side of that
- The intersection where the shops/phone booth is. It's a sweeping left hand turning road so outbound cars lights would be pointing to the side of the road and inbound cars pointing right at the oncoming car. It also had a light.
- Next one would be the turn off for Karana Downs.

The rest of the road is very dark and windy, and at night you need high beams and when a car comes towards you it's back to normal beam, slow down and stay in your lane until you pass and you can put your high beams back on. (deer and other animals in that area so you need to be careful at night)

 

[bellgirl]

From memory we didn't have rain for several weeks.
I remember it being pretty dry, and then the weekend she was found it literally rained from late Friday night, all day Saturday and I think it eased into the night a little. We had a few hundred mm in just over 24 hours in parts around Brisbane.

I ride my bike to work every morning at 6:30am, so I tend to notice if it rained over night and I recall that weekend being the first rain in maybe 2-3 weeks.

Yes, I'm fairly sure that there was no rain at all on that Thursday night. My son had soccer training that evening and it was fine. That night I looked up the weather forecast for Friday and Saturday, as my son was having a friend for a sleepover on the Friday night and their soccer game was on the Saturday morning. I was hoping for fine weather for them on both days, and was shocked as it said heavy rain and storms for Friday night and Saturday morning. The weather had been so beautiful for quite awhile, and I distinctly remember thinking "what a load of rubbish!" But, it absolutely pelted down on the Friday evening, night and Saturday morning. I remember telling my son and his best mate before they went to bed (around 7:30pm) that I was sure that their soccer game would be cancelled in the morn - it was that heavy.

 

[willough]

Of course I want the girls to be out having fun and enjoying the show and they went last night with their dad.

Allison's parents said in today's paper that they were taking the girls to the show tdoay so if the girls are in the company of the Dickies I don't see why GBC is out at the show again, I'm sure he is the last person the Dickies want to spend time with, I am sure they would rather their son in law spent time with the police helping to find their daughters killer not out socialising and sympathy seeking at the Brookfield Show

I wasn't implying that you wouldnt want the girls to have fun.....I was letting you know I agree with you.....and that the only way it is good, is for the girls to go out and get their mind of their mom.

You are so right about the Dickies......and the rest of us think that too. He has better things to do, that worry about lawyers, saving his *advertiser censored* and socialising.

 

[curiosityktcat]

Is it possible that we are being fed info to lead us to believe it's GBC? People have been discussing that this can happen to catch the real perp out....perhaps the QPS/media want us to believe it's GBC when in fact it may be someone else. I'm trying to keep an open mind.

 

[Davita]

morning, had an early breakkie wi friends this morning, one being a legal eagle. As usual this case came up in conversation, and one of the people present innocently asked could it be that the QPS would move in on GBC (if involved) after allowing the children to get a little bit of normality back into their lives after such a traggic event for such young children?

Just an idea, and it may or may not make sense, who knows, but could the 'powers to be' have been in lengthy and relevant discussions with child Physc's about potential trauma involved in removing their father so soon after the traggic loss/murder of their mother. After thinnking about this suggestion I guess it sounds plausable. The welfare of children is always of upmost importance to the authorities.
perhaps 'special' allowances can and have been made under these very special circumstances. I mean lets face it, he is not going anywhere, hardly a flght risk and I have no doubt his passport has probably been taken off him.

If the authorities thought that these 3 littlle girls would be better mentally prepared to go through the ordeal of losing their father in another 1 or 2 months then I think this has to be considered..
And by the way, i don't subscribe to notion that the children would EVER be 'mentally prepared' to losing their father after what they have gone through, BUT the QPS have a job to do. But perhaps this has been taken into consideration.

I would like to hear from the likes of dark shadow, key boredom, hawkins etc if this could even be legally possible for the wheels of justice to work like this i.e someone signing off on 'delaying' an arrest when they have enough to be able to carry it out??? The Attorney General for example??

Have you heard of the Susan Powell-Cox case. She disappeared and the hubby is/was the main suspect. However, because the could never pin him to it, he was allowed to still look after his two boys. They are still under 10.

The police started to move in on him and he actually killed them and himself in a self made bomb in his house.

Millions of children go through worse trauma than those girls. I am not insensitive, but they are not anymore special than others. Some loose both parents at the same time.

I dont think the police will take that chance because of the emotional welfare of family. If he is guilty according to them, he is a murderer that should be locked up. He can always apply for bail. Then his defense team can argue that the children needs their dad, that he is not a flight risk and neither a security risk for them.

 

[CJ60]

Now I'm sharing this because I love it when other locals share their tidbits!

It may or may not be true, so please take it with a grain of salt. I will be proven right or wrong tomorrow anyway.

I was in a line up at the show with my family, and in front of us in line was a local polly. I heard him say the name "Gerard" so my ears pricked up! The polly was telling his wife that he "had a long conversation with Gerard just then" then the next bit I heard was "he is really stressed because they are doing a piece in the paper tomorrow about his affair."

Small town! Someone is always listening So, it is probably just going to be a story on the affair, which we kind of all know about anyway don't we (although I wonder how much detail it will include about the who and when etc etc).

I couldn't stop thinking about Allison tonight. So very sad imagining her there in previous years, it is such a great family event. It isn't fair.

Stressed because they are doing a piece on his affair! What about stressed because he has the blood of his wife on his hands ( because IMO he killed her) and taken his children's mum from them.

And he's walking around 'life goes on' for him. DunnoZo mentioned Mr Dickie - what strength and courage they are showing if they are there tonight. I know what I would do to him.

It is about time that spineless ******* confessed. Sorry guys....

Nothing to do with not wanting those little girls to enjoy themselves; my heart goes out to them : (

 

[Keentoknow]

Does a deceased body start to leak bodily fluids or anything basically straight away?

I would imagine that the body would have had to wrapped in something prior to the body being dumped.

I believe Allison's body was found not wrapped in anything, is that correct?

Lets hope the body left fluids in the car for testing.:what: