Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #17

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Grannie, the police have more than likely linked the car(s) to the crime. What they have to do is prove who was actually driving those cars.

According to the media, the police has one witness who saw some two cars at 4am on Friday. Those cars have not been identified. Even their models have not been identified. Their connection to the crime scene has not been established. Yes, they looked suspicious, like any car at 4am. But it could be unrelated to the murder.
 
If GBC (NBC, TM) are innocent, then who? There should be somebody who was close to BC's house that night. Nobody talks about BC's neighbours or their visitors. That's another possible scenario. Perhaps, less probable. But there has to be somebody who knew Allison...

Yes she knew her killer alright.
That person knew her well.
It wasn't the neighbours - as you have suggested
It wasn't the visitors- as you have suggested
No body was close to the house that night and
Nobody talks about who didn't murder poor Allison Either.
Everybody talks about who did kill her. GBC. :jail:
 
June 04, 2012 12:00AM

BROOKFIELD residents, SES volunteers and fire officers who searched for Allison Baden-Clay will play each other in a cricket fundraiser to raise money for the murdered mum's daughters.
Concerned for the welfare of the three young girls, Brookfield United Cricket Club has organised the match, which takes place at the Brookfield Showgrounds on June 24, after emergency officers who helped search for the 43-year-old got on board.

Organiser Mike Kaye, of Brookfield United Cricket Club, said a raffle involving several donated prizes, including a trip for two to Noosa and a cricket bat from cricket specialist Keith Dudgeon, would help raise funds.

"The police, because it's an ongoing investigation, couldn't be involved so we decided to play against the fire brigade and the SES who did all the searching out here," he said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...llisons-children/story-e6freoof-1226381980933

I wonder if GBC will attend or will he be "incapacitated" somehow?
 
Hi Everyone,

This is my first post here but I have been watching and reading this case for a number of weeks now. Over that time, I have been really impressed by the time and effort that a number of members have and are devoting to trying to make sense of the motives behind this terrible crime and/or possible theories into what happened. It has been fascinating to read, but more importantly, it is testament to the memory of Allison and comforting to know that so many of us care about obtaining justice for a beautiful person who's life was taken under the most terrible of circumstances. I think we all cling to the ideal that the best case scenario in regards to who is responsible for her death does not mean that her children have to suffer through the loss of another parent. In regards to that, only time and patience will tell.

Introductions aside, what prompted me to post tonight was the recent discussion regarding evidence, whether biochemical, physical or circumstantial, that may or may not have been found in either GBC or ABC's cars during initial police investigation. It is incorrect to assume that because a search has been conducted and that there were no subsequent or immediate arrests that no evidence was found. Compiling evidence during a murder investigation is a mammoth task that can, and often does, take weeks, months or even years to completely and satisfactorily carry out before an arrest can be made.

Evidence is gathered as if it were pieces of a puzzle, and each and every piece of evidence that is found must be catalogued, pieced together and compared against a huge number of factors that then determine whether that evidence is able to be used to make an arrest. Blood specimens in and of themselves are subjected to an in-depth number of tests to determine not just who the DNA within that blood belongs to, but also whether it appeared when the victim was still alive or whether it presented after the time of death. There are a huge number of factors that come into play when evidence is collated and catalogued and it is very, very rarely a case of "we found traces of the victims blood (or any other evidence, blood is just an example) in this vehicle - let's pin our entire investigation on that and go ahead and make an arrest". That is simply not how investigations work.

I believe that whether or not the police found viable evidence in either vehicle is going to be something that works alongside other evidence found to ultimately reach a conclusion that person/s X/Y are responsible for Allison's death. Police investigations are nothing like CSI or NCIS. The police have one shot at making an arrest and they are not going to wager their entire investigation and the justice we all want for Allison on evidence found in a vehicle. They must show that they have thoroughly investigated ALL evidence found. This is clearly a complicated case with a possibility of one or more perpetrators and the police are exhausting all leads and all contributing factors before they make an arrest. We all hope that that happens sooner rather than later, but to suggest that no evidence was found because an arrest has not been made implies a misunderstanding of how police investigations work.

Thanks to all for your continued passion regarding bringing Allison's killer/s to justice, and for taking the time to read this. Happy sleuthing.

Very well said, thanks and welcome.
 
According to the media, the police has one witness who saw some two cars at 4am on Friday. Those cars have not been identified. Even their models have not been identified. Their connection to the crime scene has not been established. Yes, they looked suspicious, like any car at 4am. But it could be unrelated to the murder.

goodnight kids! :)

:banghead:
 
Hi Everyone,

This is my first post here but I have been watching and reading this case for a number of weeks now. Over that time, I have been really impressed by the time and effort that a number of members have and are devoting to trying to make sense of the motives behind this terrible crime and/or possible theories into what happened. It has been fascinating to read, but more importantly, it is testament to the memory of Allison and comforting to know that so many of us care about obtaining justice for a beautiful person who's life was taken under the most terrible of circumstances. I think we all cling to the ideal that the best case scenario in regards to who is responsible for her death does not mean that her children have to suffer through the loss of another parent. In regards to that, only time and patience will tell.

Introductions aside, what prompted me to post tonight was the recent discussion regarding evidence, whether biochemical, physical or circumstantial, that may or may not have been found in either GBC or ABC's cars during initial police investigation. It is incorrect to assume that because a search has been conducted and that there were no subsequent or immediate arrests that no evidence was found. Compiling evidence during a murder investigation is a mammoth task that can, and often does, take weeks, months or even years to completely and satisfactorily carry out before an arrest can be made.

Evidence is gathered as if it were pieces of a puzzle, and each and every piece of evidence that is found must be catalogued, pieced together and compared against a huge number of factors that then determine whether that evidence is able to be used to make an arrest. Blood specimens in and of themselves are subjected to an in-depth number of tests to determine not just who the DNA within that blood belongs to, but also whether it appeared when the victim was still alive or whether it presented after the time of death. There are a huge number of factors that come into play when evidence is collated and catalogued and it is very, very rarely a case of "we found traces of the victims blood (or any other evidence, blood is just an example) in this vehicle - let's pin our entire investigation on that and go ahead and make an arrest". That is simply not how investigations work.

I believe that whether or not the police found viable evidence in either vehicle is going to be something that works alongside other evidence found to ultimately reach a conclusion that person/s X/Y are responsible for Allison's death. Police investigations are nothing like CSI or NCIS. The police have one shot at making an arrest and they are not going to wager their entire investigation and the justice we all want for Allison on evidence found in a vehicle. They must show that they have thoroughly investigated ALL evidence found. This is clearly a complicated case with a possibility of one or more perpetrators and the police are exhausting all leads and all contributing factors before they make an arrest. We all hope that that happens sooner rather than later, but to suggest that no evidence was found because an arrest has not been made implies a misunderstanding of how police investigations work.

Thanks to all for your continued passion regarding bringing Allison's killer/s to justice, and for taking the time to read this. Happy sleuthing.

Thank you for your well written and informative post. It is spot on IMO. Thank you for taking the time to post. (and welcome :) )
 
According to the media, the police has one witness who saw some two cars at 4am on Friday. Those cars have not been identified. Even their models have not been identified. Their connection to the crime scene has not been established. Yes, they looked suspicious, like any car at 4am. But it could be unrelated to the murder.

Media reports have stated a witness saw two cars. A white 4wd and a smaller blue(?) 4 wd. AT a time that is within the timeframe police were wanting witnesses to the cars. From all reports this witnessing of the cars seems to be of interest to Police. So no, we don't know if they are or aren't related to the case. But I'm pretty confident the Police have a fair idea, and by the mere fact it has continued to be reported, I think it must be of significant. BUt No we don't know. MOO
 
Great to see you back, Dark Shadow. I always look forward to your posts.

Cheers

Thanks WI, I haven't really left... I have been reading along here and there. Just been quite busy and also haven't felt the need to comment, as you all say what i would have, before i have the chance to post! :rocker:
I enjoy your posts too, WI :)
 
"In the Australian state of Queensland, the power to arrest is granted by s.546 of Schedule 1 to the Criminal Code Act 1899. Under the Act, any person who finds another committing an offence may, without warrant, arrest the other person. The power to arrest in Queensland also allows for arrest on suspicion of an offence:

If the offence has been actually committed -- it is lawful for any person who believes on reasonable ground that another person has committed the offence to arrest that person without warrant, whether that other person has committed the offence or not."
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest"]Citizen's arrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
hi everyone,

this is my first post here but i have been watching and reading this case for a number of weeks now. Over that time, i have been really impressed by the time and effort that a number of members have and are devoting to trying to make sense of the motives behind this terrible crime and/or possible theories into what happened. It has been fascinating to read, but more importantly, it is testament to the memory of allison and comforting to know that so many of us care about obtaining justice for a beautiful person who's life was taken under the most terrible of circumstances. I think we all cling to the ideal that the best case scenario in regards to who is responsible for her death does not mean that her children have to suffer through the loss of another parent. In regards to that, only time and patience will tell.

Introductions aside, what prompted me to post tonight was the recent discussion regarding evidence, whether biochemical, physical or circumstantial, that may or may not have been found in either gbc or abc's cars during initial police investigation. It is incorrect to assume that because a search has been conducted and that there were no subsequent or immediate arrests that no evidence was found. Compiling evidence during a murder investigation is a mammoth task that can, and often does, take weeks, months or even years to completely and satisfactorily carry out before an arrest can be made.

Evidence is gathered as if it were pieces of a puzzle, and each and every piece of evidence that is found must be catalogued, pieced together and compared against a huge number of factors that then determine whether that evidence is able to be used to make an arrest. Blood specimens in and of themselves are subjected to an in-depth number of tests to determine not just who the dna within that blood belongs to, but also whether it appeared when the victim was still alive or whether it presented after the time of death. There are a huge number of factors that come into play when evidence is collated and catalogued and it is very, very rarely a case of "we found traces of the victims blood (or any other evidence, blood is just an example) in this vehicle - let's pin our entire investigation on that and go ahead and make an arrest". That is simply not how investigations work.

I believe that whether or not the police found viable evidence in either vehicle is going to be something that works alongside other evidence found to ultimately reach a conclusion that person/s x/y are responsible for allison's death. Police investigations are nothing like csi or ncis. The police have one shot at making an arrest and they are not going to wager their entire investigation and the justice we all want for allison on evidence found in a vehicle. They must show that they have thoroughly investigated all evidence found. This is clearly a complicated case with a possibility of one or more perpetrators and the police are exhausting all leads and all contributing factors before they make an arrest. We all hope that that happens sooner rather than later, but to suggest that no evidence was found because an arrest has not been made implies a misunderstanding of how police investigations work.

Thanks to all for your continued passion regarding bringing allison's killer/s to justice, and for taking the time to read this. Happy sleuthing.


thank you
 
Wow, he found her and is now tormented (understandably).

Oh, reading that is eerie.. When i read the description up the top about it being only acessable by small boat(kayak or canoe) I did wonder if the canoeist was out doing this geocache thingy... Seems reading the comment, that is probably definite.

Interesting though that it says only acessable by small boat..that doesn't appear to be the case. MOO
 
Hi Everyone,

This is my first post here but I have been watching and reading this case for a number of weeks now. Over that time, I have been really impressed by the time and effort that a number of members have and are devoting to trying to make sense of the motives behind this terrible crime and/or possible theories into what happened. It has been fascinating to read, but more importantly, it is testament to the memory of Allison and comforting to know that so many of us care about obtaining justice for a beautiful person who's life was taken under the most terrible of circumstances. I think we all cling to the ideal that the best case scenario in regards to who is responsible for her death does not mean that her children have to suffer through the loss of another parent. In regards to that, only time and patience will tell.

Introductions aside, what prompted me to post tonight was the recent discussion regarding evidence, whether biochemical, physical or circumstantial, that may or may not have been found in either GBC or ABC's cars during initial police investigation. It is incorrect to assume that because a search has been conducted and that there were no subsequent or immediate arrests that no evidence was found. Compiling evidence during a murder investigation is a mammoth task that can, and often does, take weeks, months or even years to completely and satisfactorily carry out before an arrest can be made.

Evidence is gathered as if it were pieces of a puzzle, and each and every piece of evidence that is found must be catalogued, pieced together and compared against a huge number of factors that then determine whether that evidence is able to be used to make an arrest. Blood specimens in and of themselves are subjected to an in-depth number of tests to determine not just who the DNA within that blood belongs to, but also whether it appeared when the victim was still alive or whether it presented after the time of death. There are a huge number of factors that come into play when evidence is collated and catalogued and it is very, very rarely a case of "we found traces of the victims blood (or any other evidence, blood is just an example) in this vehicle - let's pin our entire investigation on that and go ahead and make an arrest". That is simply not how investigations work.

I believe that whether or not the police found viable evidence in either vehicle is going to be something that works alongside other evidence found to ultimately reach a conclusion that person/s X/Y are responsible for Allison's death. Police investigations are nothing like CSI or NCIS. The police have one shot at making an arrest and they are not going to wager their entire investigation and the justice we all want for Allison on evidence found in a vehicle. They must show that they have thoroughly investigated ALL evidence found. This is clearly a complicated case with a possibility of one or more perpetrators and the police are exhausting all leads and all contributing factors before they make an arrest. We all hope that that happens sooner rather than later, but to suggest that no evidence was found because an arrest has not been made implies a misunderstanding of how police investigations work.

Thanks to all for your continued passion regarding bringing Allison's killer/s to justice, and for taking the time to read this. Happy sleuthing.

Aahh, you just blew in like a breath of fresh air. Thank you for a wonderful first post and welcome to the forum. I hope you stay around.
 
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