Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #18

[rhb]

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Thanks Marlywings and Mani. I shall go look. I also posted a question in the threadiquet (how ever that's spelled) thread.

 

[bearbear]

I've always thought this too Mani. It just doesn't make any sense. As you say - why would he not drive his car? And if he didn't want to drive, why would GBC not just pick him up in Durness St, which is much more discreet than the roundabout and relatively close?

I was thinking that the only reason he might wait at the bus shelter is if, eg, he had been out drinking/at the pub/out somewhere that night when GBC called him, so he got a taxi to the roundabout so he was at an easy spot to be picked up (and maybe didn't want his wife to know at that point) - but really this is all a bit far-fetched and I find it very difficult to believe.

maybe he didnt want his car involved, and doesnt he live quite close to the roundabout? also, he may not have wanted mrs bc to hear him leave in the car and have to explain what he was doing?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I think Whatif has made a good point that is a possiblity UT. If you didn't want to use your own car and you wanted to be picked up late at night, what would look more suspicious to someone driving by - sitting at a bus stop or waiting in a sidestreet?

Whatif, if the story about the man at the bus-stop is related to this case, you have given me food for thought about why he chose to sit at the bus-stop.
Thank you.

Note to original post - UT, I wish the Net had tone! lol - Big hugs to you - unfortunately we are not able to hear the other person's tone (of voice). I posted on here earlier today that I thought the story was BS but.........
reading Whatif?'s post has resonated and I can now see that the sitting at a bus stop is a possibility. Cheers. I hope that makes sense.

..makes perfect sense, thanks for clarifying.. just been one of those days. so I possibly took things different to were meant. I feel a bit silly. I agree it can be difficult when you can't pick up tone! thanks again..all good. big cheesy grin from me.

 

[Radster]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but can anyone explain to me on what basis the police can state that a victim "knew their killer"? Is this based on physical evidence? Couldn't a stranger still strangle someone?

 

[Mani]

Thanks Mani, glad to help. I think if he wore dark clothes and walked the back streets as much as possible, there is only a short distance (near the roundabout) to be visible to any passing traffic. This makes sense to me if you didn't want the neighbours to hear cars coming and going in the middle of the night. Maybe thats why he was sitting there when seen to regather his senses before heading home.

Thank you UT (Unfolding Truth), Whatif?, Thinking and Bikerchic as your posts have helped me to understand how this scenario could have played out late at night.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but can anyone explain to me on what basis the police can state that a victim "knew their killer"? Is this based on physical evidence? Couldn't a stranger still strangle someone?

I think the Police are stating it, because they must know or have a fair idea, based on alot of evidence that we are not privy to. I think, and just my opinion, if they are saying it, then I tend to believe they know what they are doing and have a reason for saying it.

A stranger could strangle someone.. just a note, its rumour not fact yet that ABC was strangled. And in this case given what the police have said. I believe it unlikely to have been a random stranger. MOO

 

[Mani]

..makes perfect sense, thanks for clarifying.. just been one of those days. so I possibly took things different to were meant. I feel a bit silly. I agree it can be difficult when you can't pick up tone! thanks again..all good. big cheesy grin from me.

Nooo take heart, don't feel silly - you have helped me to nut something out and I thank you.

Yes, the lack of tone on the Net can give an impression that is not exactly on the money what the poster meant.......lol - the landscape we are navigating appears flat but it isn't as people's emotions are behind their posts, heh?

Cheers UT - I enjoy your posts as they are well thought out.

 

[Elspeth]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but can anyone explain to me on what basis the police can state that a victim "knew their killer"? Is this based on physical evidence? Couldn't a stranger still strangle someone?

I have also wondered why they would say "knew her killer' or on what evidence they may have to know this...

 

[linette]

I have also wondered why they would say "knew her killer' or on what evidence they may have to know this...

I'd say for the police to say she knew her killer, then they must be pretty darn sure. As someone posted earlier, the police know so much more than we do... I'm thinking from the evidence they have at hand ... it shows she knew her killer. There could be many reasons behind their thinking.

 

[wakeskate]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but can anyone explain to me on what basis the police can state that a victim "knew their killer"? Is this based on physical evidence? Couldn't a stranger still strangle someone?

Firstly police said

"POLICE believe Allison Baden-Clay knew her killer"

http://www.news.com.au/national/kil...ce/story-e6frfkvr-1226353911863#ixzz1x05iNCbj

To me this was said for a few reasons

- statistically murders are usually committed by someone who knows the victim. Something up round the 80-90% I believe
- police going on a hunch based on the evidence they had at the time
- make the perpetrator sweat it out and maybe come looking for answers or making excuses and slip up.

 

[Limaes]

Was just sifting through news footage about this case and have to say I am gobsmacked about some of OW's comments!

"We just appeal to the public to please help us in any way that they can"

Is she hinting at financial help from the public?

"We need to find her"

Then why didn't you look for her Olivia? You never did!

 

[Limaes]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but can anyone explain to me on what basis the police can state that a victim "knew their killer"? Is this based on physical evidence? Couldn't a stranger still strangle someone?

This is only a guess but perhaps because 1. her body was found away from her home and 2. there may be evidence of how long after death she was deposited at that location which means that her killer was in possession of her body for several hours without fear of being caught. i.e they knew no one would be looking for her or report her missing yet. jmo

 

[CaseClosed]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but can anyone explain to me on what basis the police can state that a victim "knew their killer"? Is this based on physical evidence? Couldn't a stranger still strangle someone?

You would have to ask QPS that to be sure, however, I have seen documentaries of criminal cases where the do "profiling" and then zero in on someone that matches the profiling. Also, whatever QPS observed a the home that morning might also have been taken into account, like "no forced entry" into the home, etc. Whatever GBC said to them, etc.

 

[Elspeth]

Firstly police said

"POLICE believe Allison Baden-Clay knew her killer"

http://www.news.com.au/national/kil...ce/story-e6frfkvr-1226353911863#ixzz1x05iNCbj

To me this was said for a few reasons

- statistically murders are usually committed by someone who knows the victim. Something up round the 80-90% I believe
- police going on a hunch based on the evidence they had at the time
- make the perpetrator sweat it out and maybe come looking for answers or making excuses and slip up.

The *believe* really makes a lot of difference to this statement by the police...

 

[oreily85]

It has been mentioned that the Prado was Allison's car not GBC's.
"Caviar" mentions GBC had a car accident outside C21 Taringa but no mention of which car this occurred in. He may very well have had this accident - in his car...the Captiva.

Its the Prado. Saw it today, still damaged. Settled plates. Its not Allisons car anymore, the Captiva is/was hers.

 

[wakeskate]

"We need to find her"

Then why didn't you look for her Olivia? You never did!

It was pointed out many threads ago that direct family are usually not allowed to help in a search for a missing person if they believe there is foul play involved. (can't remember who said this)
Photos of Allison were given to police, probably from either Gerard or the parents, and that is about all they would let them do.

 

[Thinking]

Hi Mani,
The bus stop is on the LHS as you drive out towards Kholo Creek. This is the stop adjacent to the Kenmore State School pool.

Secondly, to walk from NBC's home in Durness Street to that particular bus stop is quite a hike and a lot of uphill (up Kilkivan Ave), so I sincerely doubt that he got there via walking.

Thirdly with the insider/verified posts...what I posted today and that has been removed is true. I did PM Kimster to ask her about the verification process. I'm not entirely comfortable with this either.

Cheers
Bikerchick

Thanks biker chick, I appreciate your contributions. thanks too mani

When I heard the story re NBC at the roundabout, I always envisaged him sitting at the bus stop near the entrance to the village. This is in full view of the traffic camera. The shelter near the KSSS does make more sense at it is on the road "out" of town. I don't think it is in view of the camera either.

I also think unlikely he would walk there as, while a quick trip in the car, it would be a hard and uphill walk.

I still find it hard to believe one would choose to meet at the most public spot in Kenmore rather than their quiet street, but I guess they may have figured it was more likely their neighbors would notice, than someone he knows seeing him at the roundabout. Also, they may not have been thinking straight. Hmmmmm!

 

[SKMA]

See, then this is different again.....Because I was of the understanding that the person who did stop, actually knew at that given time, that it was Nigel Baden Clay (not just some elderly guy). So now, we have two people who have seen Nigel at the bus stop outside the Village that night.....One that knew him, and one that saw some elderly guy at the bus stop.

Hi all, just wanted to clarify, I also brought in the NBC at bus stop rumour, as told to me by a high-level legal source who moves in very well connected circles (ie. with QCs and SCs, judges etc.). I was told, quote, "The father was involved; somebody saw an elderly guy sitting at the bus stop outside the village the night she went missing (Thursday night). Somebody stopped and asked if he was okay."

You can choose to link the father clause with the elderly guy clause in that sentence ... or not but it was inferred by the conversation I had with said source that the elderly guy was NBC.

 

[Limaes]

It was pointed out many threads ago that direct family are usually not allowed to help in a search for a missing person if they believe there is foul play involved. (can't remember who said this)
Photos of Allison were given to police, probably from either Gerard or the parents, and that is about all they would let them do.

Yes, I realise that. However, no one was stopping her from attending the Search Command. To me, her comments such as the one about depression only serve to explain her disappearance rather than solve it. Also sometimes family members make fliers etc to help find their loved one.

Finally, Allison's parents set up a media conference to plead for help finding her. The Police never stop family members doing that. The police cannot be blamed for everything the BCs failed to do. jmo

 

[Keentoknow]

Double posted?????