Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19

[JK673]

with respect, under Australian Law a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. Therefore GBC is considered innocent. It is odd that he has hired himself a legal eagle Criminal Lawyer whilst considered innocent - which leads many of the public to be suspicious of his motives for doing so. Further, the Police searched the B-C seniors home and shed. They removed several items. All reported in MSM. So there is some basis to speculation on this forum. My opinion only, not fact.

what is MSM?

 

[grannie]

April 20
-witness sees two 4wds, one white and smaller blue one , white one with parking lights, bluenose full lights, at around 4am near Anstead 2 km from Kholo Creek Bridge

Rational, thanks for your very useful summary.

I have one question at this stage about the cars. How to explain the purpose of two cars? If Allison were murdered at home, then GBC could drive only one car, get rid of her body and then come back in the same car. If Allison went out (where to?) by car and GBC followed (with C21 logo) and then murdered her, then somebody would have to be called to drive the second car, and if it were TM, then where would she keep her own car? GBC would then have to call two people for help (and register it with a telephone company), so that they could come in the same car and then split. Here it starts looking a bit too public. If they were the members of some gang or a sect, then it would be easy, but for ordinary people it would be a bit too much involvement, in my opinion. Considering GBC's alleged narcissistic nature, it is unlikely that he could involve his relatives. It would have to be a family dynasty of criminals to execute a murder as a family business. JMO.

 

[minni]

Oh...he did what in the who? or who in the what?

its his candlestick that keeps getting him in trouble

 

[Mothergoose]

Realise the intended relevance but not a chance!

Actually it is because the Mods have warned against posting rumor and unfounded speculation. Speculation and theorizing are welcome when it is based on facts. But pulling stuff out of thin air and trying to create a theory around it, is unfair to the victim and sends posters off on goose chases.

If there is some evidence of an affair - then such a theory would be allowed as long as it was proposed respectfully towards the victim, because it could have played a role in the murder. HOWEVER when this is NOTHING to support such a theory - it is disrespectful.

Hope that helps,

Salem

I'm confused by your statement. "Speculation and theorizing are welcome when it is based on facts" A fact is a fact (i.e. the truth) why would you add speculation or theory to a fact. This bulk of this forum is based on speculation "pulled out of thin air" and theories based on unfounded ideas or senarios.For instance who knows for sure who did this horrific act. What evidence is there???? What is your point????:banghead:

 

[Makara]

Indromum and I placed some flowers on the bridge today, from all of us.

Thank you girls, such a lovely gesture. :grouphug:

 

[coffeechick]

always a chance of anything, i keep an open mind on everything. there's a chance i will win the lotto tonight but i know i won't!
they know who did this MG that s the difference, and it aint a disgruntled lover.
They are just having trouble mounting a case that would hold up in court.

How do you know they know - or is it just a hunch?

 

[Nads]

what is MSM?

I have been assuming it is mainstream media. Hope it is right?!

 

[coffeechick]

Saturday???? I live in Mt Crosby.

Did you think I was in Wales? I am off to watch Australia Wales game at Suncorp!! haha - but I would rather be tucked up in bed!

And of course I will be barracking for the Wallabies - I'm an Aussie through and through!

What a small world - this is where I live as well.

 

[LauraMars]

what is MSM?

I think it means Main Stream Media

While we're on the subject, what does ETA mean?, (aside from peanut butter of course)

 

[kiwi50]

I think it means Main Stream Media

While we're on the subject, what does ETA mean?, (aside from peanut butter of course)

to me it means Estimated time of arrival, glad someone said what MSM means I was wracking my brain about that one too.

 

[Trooper]

I happen to agree. there is just nothing there. We don't really know anything about her personal life. At all.

There is a lot about her personal life that is known, I think, Minni... we know she was a proficient ballerina at a young age, travelled extensively, we know where she met Gerard, when she married him, when her children were born, their names, where she lived, what she worked at, and where she worked over her life, where she had her hair done, and we know things that Allison prayed no one would ever know, ( at least, I would hope this about my life, and you yours, I imagine) that her husband was a registered idiot, slept around, couldnt manage a business, lived in a fantasy world, lied, dissembled, projected himself as something he so clearly isnt, seems disinterested in her death, didn't search for her, allowed her to be portrayed as 'depressed' , made no plea for her safety and security, makes no statement to the police, has shown no curiousity in her death or about it or who did it , or the manner and method of it, or where she was finally found.

we know her parents adored her, her sister adored her, respected her, her friend Kerry also loved her ,and knew she was battling circumstances that worried them, and that she was killed. This we know about her personal life.

Truly terrible.

There is no privacy in unsolved and peculiar murder.

 

[Makara]

I think it means Main Stream Media

While we're on the subject, what does ETA mean?, (aside from peanut butter of course)

Edited To Add.

 

[Keentoknow]

Actually it is because the Mods have warned against posting rumor and unfounded speculation. Speculation and theorizing are welcome when it is based on facts. But pulling stuff out of thin air and trying to create a theory around it, is unfair to the victim and sends posters off on goose chases.

If there is some evidence of an affair - then such a theory would be allowed as long as it was proposed respectfully towards the victim, because it could have played a role in the murder. HOWEVER when this is NOTHING to support such a theory - it is disrespectful.

Hope that helps,

Salem

Because of this public statement made by Mrs Fowler (Allisons sister) I am inclined to believe her above all others.

"She was a devoted wife, supporting Gerard in their partnership of marriage and she did so until the day that she died," Mrs Fowler said.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...familys-vow-20120511-1ygrm.html#ixzz1xGlFHYhq

 

[Keentoknow]

Thank you girls, such a lovely gesture. :grouphug:

I agree..... Kind thoughts. CJ can be excused. She deserves to be able to go to the Ball game.:seeya:

 

[minni]

There is a lot about her personal life that is known, I think, Minni... we know she was a proficient ballerina at a young age, travelled extensively, we know where she met Gerard, when she married him, when her children were born, their names, where she lived, what she worked at, and where she worked over her life, where she had her hair done, and we know things that Allison prayed no one would ever know, ( at least, I would hope this about my life, and you yours, I imagine) that her husband was a registered idiot, slept around, couldnt manage a business, lived in a fantasy world, lied, dissembled, projected himself as something he so clearly isnt, seems disinterested in her death, didn't search for her, allowed her to be portrayed as 'depressed' , made no plea for her safety and security, makes no statement to the police, has shown no curiousity in her death or about it or who did it , or the manner and method of it, or where she was finally found.

we know her parents adored her, her sister adored her, respected her, her friend Kerry also loved her ,and knew she was battling circumstances that worried them, and that she was killed. This we know about her personal life.

Truly terrible.

There is no privacy in unsolved and peculiar murder.

Thank you Trooper, another great post. I understand all of what you have said here and indeed we do know a lot. It just feels like all the above information is sort of just facts about her life.

I don't know, maybe I feel like I wanted to know more about her day to day life? Its absolutely none of my business, but for some reason I want to know more. Like did she have coffee with the girls regularly? or drinks on a friday arvo with friends? what did she do to make her happy? I can't explain myself properly right now, I know how I feel, but cant get the words out. maybe the phone is so important because it might have told police some of these day to day things she did.
Sorry, I will try again later, to explain what I mean

 

[Thinking]

Yes and if the police did attend the house on Thursday night for a domestic, wouldn't GBC be the obvious suspect after Allison's disappearance?

How dumb would you have to be to commit a crime after the police have connected you with domestic violence with the person who ended up missing and deceased?

How many of you are thinking outside the square and considering someone else besides GBC has done this to Allison?

MOO

(Just leaving Occam's Razor at the barbershop for a mo)

Hi mani, my very first post on the forum was about this possibility. I think it would explain many things and it is still a (very remote) possibility that there is someone else completely outside the family involved IMO. I just don't get the behavior of the family though, if they and GBC are absolutely and utterly not involved.

 

[clara123]

Maybe I have misinterpreted something. Didn't OW state that she had spoken to ABC and that ABC was her usual (words to the effect of) "normal good-natured self"? on that ( I presume) Wednesday night before her disappearance? Then a number of days later stated she had been depressed. The two are not mutually exclusive of course, but are they a little too diametrically opposed to be stated within such a short time-frame by the same person (OW)?
MOO

 

[minni]

Maybe I have misinterpreted something. Didn't OW state that she had spoken to ABC and that ABC was her usual (words to the effect of) "normal good-natured self"? on that ( I presume) Wednesday night before her disappearance? Then a number of days later stated she had been depressed. The two are not mutually exclusive of course, but are they a little too diametrically opposed to be stated within such a short time-frame by the same person (OW)?
MOO

agreed

 

[Kimster]

I'm confused by your statement. "Speculation and theorizing are welcome when it is based on facts" A fact is a fact (i.e. the truth) why would you add speculation or theory to a fact. This bulk of this forum is based on speculation "pulled out of thin air" and theories based on unfounded ideas or senarios.For instance who knows for sure who did this horrific act. What evidence is there???? What is your point????:banghead:

She means that there has been something reported in the MSM (Main Stream Media) that can lead toward a speculation.

For example, remember when there was a report about a female co-worker of GBC's being questioned? We were allowed to speculate that perhaps she was more than just a co-worker and lo and behold, she was!

The thing about saying that Allison might have had an affair is that Allison is the victim and she can't stand up for herself. So it's a lot more to concern ourselves with. Plus, there just isn't any evidence whatsoever to support the idea. Even IF IF IF she were, why would her loved one kill her and not GBC? It doesn't really make a lot of sense.

So let's move away from starting such a horrible rumour when Allison doesn't even have a chance to defend herself. :tyou:

 

[jubillee]

the point about the imagined and constructed suddenly enraged lover of Allison that is proposed as a possible suspect is that it is never substantiated.. this mystery figure flits about, never nailed as to which gender it is..man or woman, height, weight, occupation, history, sighting, record, gossip, previous form, and most amazingly, considering the emotions this activity brings out, Our Boy Gerard has never pointed a finger in that direction. Or any other. Neither has the diagnostic wizard, Olivia, who stated quite firmly and straight faced that Allison 'was depressed'... odd for someone with a Merlin like lover, who appears and disappears like that bloke was able to.

Depression would be the last thing, I would think, under that circumstance. Stuck with Gerard and his ridiculous horizontal adventures, his fiscal nincompoopery, the in laws, she would have been as happy as a clam, if such a creature existed. The holders of this scenario never point out the location of this amorphous being's residence, suburb, car, links, meetings, assignations, friends of friends.. HIS or HER friends... nothing , nothing, nothing.. just ... nothing. This is probably why it is discarded, really. Its simply unsustainable in the cold light of day.

Are you saying people who have affairs couldn't be depressed?