Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19

[Trooper]

Maybe I have misinterpreted something. Didn't OW state that she had spoken to ABC and that ABC was her usual (words to the effect of) "normal good-natured self"? on that ( I presume) Wednesday night before her disappearance? Then a number of days later stated she had been depressed. The two are not mutually exclusive of course, but are they a little too diametrically opposed to be stated within such a short time-frame by the same person (OW)?
MOO

Precisely, Clara.. makes one wonder who she had been speaking with in the meantime, doesnt it. I think at that first occasion, Olivia also stated , with wide eyed firmness, 'Gerald LOVES Allison'... that with the 'usual goodnatured self'... next thing, its hoping Allison is going to be 'returned' and that she was depressed...

No more about 'Gerald LOVES Allison', either.. of course by that time, Madame McHugh 's ditzy head had been raised so persistanly above the parapet, it would have been a redundancy of absurdity.

 

[LauraMars]

Maybe I have misinterpreted something. Didn't OW state that she had spoken to ABC and that ABC was her usual (words to the effect of) "normal good-natured self"? on that ( I presume) Wednesday night before her disappearance? Then a number of days later stated she had been depressed. The two are not mutually exclusive of course, but are they a little too diametrically opposed to be stated within such a short time-frame by the same person (OW)?
MOO

OW alledgedly stated she spoke to Allison the night before she disappeared, and that she was "fine", (whatever night that means?)

She also said the week before, she seemed her normal, delightful, kind-hearted, lovely, something else self (can't remember exact words).

And she said that "Gerard loves Allison" etc etc

She then apparently said Allison was depressed.

I am still looking for links sorry...

 

[Sooner Fan#1]

Night folks....

 

[Trooper]

Are you saying people who have affairs couldn't be depressed?

People? people in general? or ??? Are we not speaking and referring to Mrs Allison Baden - Clay here.. ??

People can have what they want. Whenever.. my point in my post was, with all the stupidity of Gerards nonsense, his failing business, his mad upgrade to a huge office in the downturn of business, his complete inability to recognise consequences of actions, his persistant projection of himself as a viable person of trust and integrity (* quoting his own words here ) .. his insistence on boffing at whim, would make, I would state, a reason for an absence of depression in regards to the alledged appearance of a magic Merlin like figure, flitting hither and yon at Allisons beck and call , and leaving no trace whatsover..

Don't you think so?

 

[jubillee]

OW alledgedly stated she spoke to Allison the night before she disappeared, and that she was "fine", (whatever night that means?)

She also said the week before, she seemed her normal, delightful, kind-hearted, lovely, something else self (can't remember exact words).

And she said that "Gerard loves Allison" etc etc

She then apparently said Allison was depressed.

I am still looking for links sorry...

Sometimes I think we see too much into things.. I like to think I am kind-hearted and lovely too but I also suffer from depression since a marriage break-down.
Not many people would realise this because I do not go around acting all sad and gloomy. How many times have you heard of someone suicide and people say."I didn't know they were depressed"
It's possible OW did not know at the time of her first statement and was told later.

 

[Fuskier]

There is a lot about her personal life that is known, I think, Minni... we know she was a proficient ballerina at a young age, travelled extensively, we know where she met Gerard, when she married him, when her children were born, their names, where she lived, what she worked at, and where she worked over her life, where she had her hair done, and we know things that Allison prayed no one would ever know, ( at least, I would hope this about my life, and you yours, I imagine) that her husband was a registered idiot, slept around, couldnt manage a business, lived in a fantasy world, lied, dissembled, projected himself as something he so clearly isnt, seems disinterested in her death, didn't search for her, allowed her to be portrayed as 'depressed' , made no plea for her safety and security, makes no statement to the police, has shown no curiousity in her death or about it or who did it , or the manner and method of it, or where she was finally found.

we know her parents adored her, her sister adored her, respected her, her friend Kerry also loved her ,and knew she was battling circumstances that worried them, and that she was killed. This we know about her personal life.

Truly terrible.

There is no privacy in unsolved and peculiar murder.

TROOPER: Again, well articulated and respectful. Thank you.

 

[Trooper]

assuming Olivia was told after her first foray at media inquisition that Allison was depressed, what we can guarantee is this.. It wasnt Allison correcting Olivias perceptions, telling Olivia she was depressed, was it? Because Allison was dead at that time. . So who told Olivia that Allison ' was depressed'..?

I am sorry to put that so baldly. But that is the incontrovertible and horrifying fact.

 

[Kimster]

Depressed can mean so many things, IMO. There's depressed as in "feeling down for a few days" and then there's clinically depressed where a person has physical ailments and sad thoughts for days and days.

If Allison said she was depressed, who can blame her? Her husband was having an affair!

Then there's the question of whether Gerard was telling people she was depressed. I've mentioned this before and I'll mention it again, the most common two things I've seen husbands who are suss in a missing wife's case say are "she ran off with another man" and "she was depressed". They want the world to think either she's out there somewhere living the high life with a new lover or that she committed suicide. Both stories are said quite often. I've been reading these cases for years and before that, read a lot of books by Ann Rule.

 

[Blue Bottle]

assuming Olivia was told after her first foray at media inquisition that Allison was depressed, what we can guarantee is this.. It wasnt Allison correcting Olivias perceptions, telling Olivia she was depressed, was it? Because Allison was dead at that time. . So who told Olivia that Allison ' was depressed'..?

As far as I have read it (mincing published words here and getting technical) Olivia didn't say Allison was depressed... She said quote: "Allison suffers from depression".

I have no clue about Allison, but depression, for some people, can come and go in waves, sometimes depending what is happening in their lives at the time.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ry-disappearance/story-e6freoof-1226338290711

 

[minni]

Depressed can mean so many things, IMO. There's depressed as in "feeling down for a few days" and then there's clinically depressed where a person has physical ailments and sad thoughts for days and days.

If Allison said she was depressed, who can blame her? Her husband was having an affair!

Then there's the question of whether Gerard was telling people she was depressed. I've mentioned this before and I'll mention it again, the most common two things I've seen husbands who are suss in a missing wife's case say are "she ran off with another man" and "she was depressed". They want the world to think either she's out there somewhere living the high life with a new lover or that she committed suicide. Both stories are said quite often. I've been reading these cases for years and before that, read a lot of books by Ann Rule.

Ive read a lot of Ann Rule too. The smaller stories at the end of her books are often about this. Do you recall reading or hearing many or any situations where the husband has been found to not be guilty when they make this type of claim?

I have clinical depression and even when it was severe, I still managed to do most things most days. I did avoid people a fair bit, but when I had to see them, I would be bright and bubbly and in actual fact, feel a lot better during the time I spent out. It was very hard to drag myself out of bed, and motivate myself out the door, but that was the biggest struggle. A friend I have known for years was shocked when I told her how the last two years had been for me

 

[Elspeth]

Sometimes I think we see too much into things.. I like to think I am kind-hearted and lovely too but I also suffer from depression since a marriage break-down.
Not many people would realise this because I do not go around acting all sad and gloomy. How many times have you heard of someone suicide and people say."I didn't know they were depressed"
It's possible OW did not know at the time of her first statement and was told later.

This is off topic, but I understand when you say people do not realize when someone is depressed. I recall when Charmaine Dragun (newsreader) committed suicide in 2007, none of us had a clue as she was always so bright and bubbly...It turned out later she was suffering from bi-polar...but noone ever knew this...So Tragic...

 

[bellgirl]

Thanks for the feedback, you got my drift perfectly

After the perpertrator has been announced by QPS, you can all throw lemon meringue pies at me!

I might be joining you Mani! :fence:

 

[LauraMars]

I agree it's possible that Allison may have suffered from depression, but I don't think it has any relevance to her murder, aside from maybe being used as an excuse as to why she might have 'gone for a walk and not returned' in the early days.

Her murdered body being found kind of threw that theory out of the water though.

 

[minni]

Thank you Trooper, another great post. I understand all of what you have said here and indeed we do know a lot. It just feels like all the above information is sort of just facts about her life.

I don't know, maybe I feel like I wanted to know more about her day to day life? Its absolutely none of my business, but for some reason I want to know more. Like did she have coffee with the girls regularly? or drinks on a friday arvo with friends? what did she do to make her happy? I can't explain myself properly right now, I know how I feel, but cant get the words out. maybe the phone is so important because it might have told police some of these day to day things she did.
Sorry, I will try again later, to explain what I mean

ok, well I have been thinking about this post, and I guess when I look at all the information we have about Allison that you posted Trooper, it doesnt seem personal to me. Its information and fact. IMO

When I tried to explain before what I meant, I was getting upset as I thought about Allison. Its the little simple aspects of day to day life that I wondered about, and when I tried to think of her like this, I found it upsetting and I couldn't articulate my thoughts. So I guess I stand by my first comment that we don't know very much about her. I just didnt say it right

 

[Trooper]

So who told Olivia that Allison 'suffered from depression"....? ( and thankyou for that neatening up,Blue* appreciated* )......

Fist, she is her 'usual bubbly good natured self'....then , a few days later, ' Allison suffers from depression'.....

Is Olivia privy to Allisons medical records? * she is only missing at this time, although, now we know, she was dead all that time.. 11 days.. ..

Is Olivia a diagnostic long distance medical guru? ( Townsville to Brookie)

Did Allison tell Olivia she suffers from depression BEFORE the murder? Or were her circumstances , as is most highly likely, (Olivia knew very well about the affairs, the crumbling business, the acceptance and/or the approval of the affair by Nige and Elaine at the office, its not reasonable to believe Olivia didn't. .. ) did Olivia see this depression suffering as a rational outcome of her brothers crazed and risky behaviour?


Or did Gerard drop this little gem?

Nige?

Elaine?

Because it hardly seems likely to me at that stage that the Dickies or Vanessa would be on any sort of terms with BC's to be revealing this 'explanation'...

 

[louisepiglet]

I too have suffered from clinical depression over the years and even at my worst lowest point I have never entertained the thought of suicide. As a mother of three children I could never subject them to that. This is why I dont believe Allison committed suicide. She was such a loving caring mother who would have done nothing to hurt her children. IMO

 

[Humdinger]

Regardless of wether or not Allison had another man, I don't know how he'd be a POI. It was the family home that was a crime scene, it was GBC's phone and computers and cars that were impounded, it was Nigelaine's place that was searched and had things taken from. It was GBC's mistress that has 'lawyered up' and been interviewed several times.
So according to MSM reports there is no reason to believe that any supposed lover of Allison's could be a POI, it ALL leads to the family IMO.

Also thanks to Indromum and CJ60 for the lovely gesture of Sunflower Saturday, it really is wonderful of you both to do that on behalf of us all xoxo

 

[Rational]

I too have suffered from clinical depression over the years and even at my worst lowest point I have never entertained the thought of suicide. As a mother of three children I could never subject them to that. This is why I dont believe Allison committed suicide. She was such a loving caring mother who would have done nothing to hurt her children. IMO

SHe did not commit suicide, she was murdered as stated quite clear by Supt det Ainsworth 'unlawful homicide'. What posters are trying to get at here is what is the motive behind the BCs and OW trying to raise the issue of depression starting some days after her disappearance.

 

[Fuskier]

So who told Olivia that Allison 'suffered from depression"....? ( and thankyou for that neatening up,Blue* appreciated* )......

Fist, she is her 'usual bubbly good natured self'....then , a few days later, ' Allison suffers from depression'.....

Is Olivia privy to Allisons medical records? * she is only missing at this time, although, now we know, she was dead all that time.. 11 days.. ..

Is Olivia a diagnostic long distance medical guru? ( Townsville to Brookie)

Did Allison tell Olivia she suffers from depression BEFORE the murder? Or were her circumstances , as is most highly likely, (Olivia knew very well about the affairs, the crumbling business, the acceptance and/or the approval of the affair by Nige and Elaine at the office, its not reasonable to believe Olivia didn't. .. ) did Olivia see this depression suffering as a rational outcome of her brothers crazed and risky behaviour?


Or did Gerard drop this little gem?

Nige?

Elaine?

Because it hardly seems likely to me at that stage that the Dickies or Vanessa would be on any sort of terms with BC's to be revealing this 'explanation'...

TROOPER: Another good, solid post. Your articulation is appreciated. Thank you.

 

[ollijack]

Also thanks to Indromum and CJ60 for the lovely gesture of Sunflower Saturday, it really is wonderful of you both to do that on behalf of us all xoxo

thankyou Shelbinator.....from me also :tyou: