Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19

[Mani]

PLEASE don't call Mani 'that name' again....not nice (to call her Mani**)

Thank you Berry but I didn't take offence as Minni is picking up on my tomfoolery here this afternoon me thinks. Humour has enabled me to state my opinion gently.

So many of you here are resolute in your opinion of who committed this atrocity against poor Allison and my hat goes off to you. Whereas, I have found it difficult to state my opinion, as it goes against the tide. For the sake of the three girls, I find it difficult to believe.

Thank you MH, Whatif? and Trooper as you three have given me chills over the past couple of days with your posts.:bowdown:

 

[minni]

Thank you Indromum and CJ30. So nice to know there are fresh flowers at the bridge. Very special!

are we only thanking half of CJ60? hahaha well she has been sick, maybe she only felt semi ok that day

 

[Humdinger]

you would assume it had to be someone within the family or connected to the family ie mistress.... very good question Berry.....really, who else could have used the cars??

But I feel a bit undecided about the cars...I know they have been over them with a fine tooth comb. But they have ran a lot of tests it appears in relation to said cars, and then they start looking at anyone who has a similar car? I don't feel confident that they have what they need in relation to evidence from the cars yet

It could me more about ruling out those other cars though, so it can't be refuted?

 

[jubillee]

Lots of Neways of looking at things

 

[Humdinger]

Lots of Neways of looking at things

Was that intentional - 'Neways' rather than new ways?

I did read that Allison was involved in Neways, I didn't find it relevant though... Are you hinting at something?

 

[Elspeth]

its true they are inconsistent, but I will have a go at examining how it may have gone down.

OW at first kept quiet and proclaimed Allison's public persona, happy, content etc....... I mean why air dirty laundry? but days later, as the severity of the situation becomes frighteningly apparent, she is now considering the next possibility (in her eyes) and feels compelled to share a little bit more as it really has become an actual concern for her. She has probably been told by GBC that there was a big fight (supposedly) she has probably been told Allison was extremely upset. She has probably done what I think a lot of us would do at this initial stage and said....'relax, she is fine, she is probably cooling off, calming down, she wouldnt do anything stupid. etc etc'
she may wholeheartedly believe Allison has packed up and pissed off and needs a few days alone. (IMO this happens even with little kids, although often the mother takes them too, but we don't know the situation at that particular time)
It quickly becomes apparent that this isnt likely maybe due to Olivia being given more info about recent events, and she becomes quite worried for Allison, and also how things are looking for her brother now.

So as I write this I am starting to believe it!!!!!! In fact, your comments that Olivia's "statements were in actual fact those of an innocent, ignorant's woman's resonate with me. She may too have been anxious because she had doubts about her own family as you suggested

I thought this also as they live away and possibly would not have been aware ... I read somewhere that OW and her husband both do counselling at their church so they would possibly have encountered somewhat similar scenerios but never close to home like this...I feel she was acting overwhelmed by it all imo only...

 

[minni]

Thank you Berry but I didn't take offence as Minni is picking up on my tomfoolery here this afternoon me thinks. Humour has enabled me to state my opinion gently.

So many of you here are resolute in your opinion of who committed this atrocity against poor Allison and my hat goes off to you. Whereas, I have not been able to do that as my opinion goes against the tide. For the sake of the three girls, I find it difficult to believe.

Thank you MH, Whatif? and Trooper as you three have given me chills over the past couple of days with your posts.:bowdown:

Oh good, you aren't cross with me......and yes, you've been a wild 'against the masses' little poster today, so good on you, and keep it up! I am big on thinking outside the box.....
do you think there could be someone that Allison was acquainted with that may have played a part in her murder, other than GBC, TM, NBC, EBC, OW or other associates of GBC?
We don't know very much about people she may have spent time with, and havent heard any media reports along these lines.

 

[bellgirl]

yes, the interaction with the media by GBC and OW was really cautious and pre planned. The words didn't really come from the heart, they seemed rehearsed, and hence, they came across somewhat false and defensive. IMO I still think this could be something innocent people might do in light of affairs, arguments, police visits, and general concern and anxiety.

I am still playing devils advocate today, and putting out comments to support the theory that whilst GBC was a prick in many ways, he didn't kill his wife. I am not wholeheartedly standing behind this theory, my opinion changes all the time which I'm sure annoys the hell out of some or maybe all of you. :maddening: But I am entertaining it quite seriously and waiting patiently for you lot to disprove it.
I realise that this would mean someone else killed Allison, and I am stuck on that one, although still partial to TM or NBC, but to support Mani Maniac, I would be happy to consider other people who may have been in Allison's life that we have yet to hear about.

Good on ya minni! I have wavered in my personal thoughts of "who did it?" a few times and have hoped that it wasn't GBC. However, I've never been able to actually entertain the thought that it was someone else, for more than a few hours at a time. Unfortunately, it seems to be too obvious and too logical that it's him and an accomplice or 2 or 3! BUT! I applaud you for speaking your mind and your opinion. You have every right to voice your thoughts/ideas without fear of backlash, from the rest of us, that don't know any more than you!:woohoo:

 

[minni]

Is the matter of the police officer being stood down a fact and if so, is there a link? If not, isn't that gossip also? I am confused, I thought you were criticising and questioning whether people really are 'insiders' and saying there should not be gossip. Apologies if I've missed something here, and the police officer being stood down is a verified fact.

In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe, Its Mabo

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why ITV is such a good sleuther....she is RIGHT ONTO IT
:moo::moo::moo::moo::moo::moo::moo:

 

[Mani]

Oh good, you aren't cross with me......and yes, you've been a wild 'against the masses' little poster today, so good on you, and keep it up! I am big on thinking outside the box.....
do you think there could be someone that Allison was acquainted with that may have played a part in her murder, other than GBC, TM, NBC, EBC, OW or other associates of GBC?
We don't know very much about people she may have spent time with, and havent heard any media reports along these lines. One poster today (bellgirl?) is adamant that she was having an affair, based on someone she felt was knowledgeable about this, but that is all I have heard I think

I think that when I read what MH has said, it makes sense and I know I am totally out on a limb thinking what I do.
I don't think in terms of affair re Allison, it's just that we are not aware of all of the people she knew and mixed with and what their motives towards her were.

Petro asked us the other night about which one question we would have what would it be? Mine was COD.
As if we knew COD and the motive, we would be able to get a clearer picture of who might have committed the crime. IMO

 

[Blue Bottle]

So who told Olivia that Allison 'suffered from depression"....? ( and thankyou for that neatening up,Blue* appreciated* )......

Fist, she is her 'usual bubbly good natured self'....then , a few days later, ' Allison suffers from depression'.....

Is Olivia privy to Allisons medical records? * she is only missing at this time, although, now we know, she was dead all that time.. 11 days.. ..

Is Olivia a diagnostic long distance medical guru?

No idea how she knew that. It could possibly from Allison herself, no clue. Following news articles it seems that Olivia did have some sort of a relationship, friendship with Allison. According to Olivia, they spoke on the phone not long before the Thursday night Allison disappeared. None of us are privy to any private conversation between them. People say all sorts of things about themselves to family and friends.

As I see it, any opinion made as to where Olivia got that information from is purely speculative and nowhere does Olivia make mention she is diagnostic guru or that she has access to Allison's medical records. Keeping in mind, that some people who go through depression never see a doctor and instead self diagnose.

Can't see why it matters really where Olivia got the info from because it doesn't appear depression contributed towards Allison's case of death (if one is to go by what the police and mainstream media say).

 

[Fergie]

This is the Caltex Service Station and it isn't at the roundabout, it's opposite Kenmore Plaza, set back on the corner of Marshall Lane. I'm not sure if it has an operational Car Wash. I dont go there regularly but I do go there now and then, and haven't noticed it. I just wondered because on that same page it refers to other Car Washes and i know for a fact that at least one is not actually a Car Wash, only a petrol station.

Do other locals know if the Caltex has an operational Car Wash?

Ni it doesn't have a car wash and there are no car washes near the roundabout at Mogill and Brookfield Roads. The closest car wash is the BP at Indooroopilly near the roundabout there.

 

[itsthevibe]

I call BS on the vacuum/warrant scenario and NBC not wanting to hand it over, QPS would get all paperwork etc in order to ensure it was all admissable in court, they wouldn't risk getting evidence that could be tainted.

I also call BS on the police being there the night before, one I have already mentioned which is that there would have been more gossip from locals and it would have been heard by people who listen to scanners. Personally I know four people who listen to QPS scanners and they say they did not hear that police went to the BCs that Thursday night.

Secondly, if they did attend and then the very next day a victim of DV went missing, I would think there would be one hell of an internal investigation going on as well.

I also think it is quite unprofessional and inappropriate the amount of so called insiders who are gossiping about information that is probably meant to be controlled. I would question the accuracy of it really considering they are risking their jobs and that only recently a police officer was stood down for leaking to the press.

Re the vacuum dustbag thing and the warrant - not sure what you mean there. If the police were searching the senior BC premises they may well have requested to do a search and it was agreed to by Nigelaine, but when they wanted to remove the contents of the dustbag NBC refused and requested a warrant. Searching with permission without a warrant doesnt mean it won't be admissable in court, as far as I know, but perhaps someone in the know can advise on this.

As for your friends not hearing any local gossip on scanners about police attending the house, I'm not sure how conclusive that is.

Regarding your statement "if they did attend and then the very next day a victim of DV went missing, I would think there would be one hell of an internal investigation going on" - well I'm sure questions would be asked but do we know they haven't been?

That said, I'm not certain about police attending re DV on the Thursday night, I posted it (and made clear it was rumour) because I'd heard it from someone who is not prone to silly gossip, and it had already been posted by another member earlier, and it seemed to make sense. It can be put on the Rumour list which Kimster suggested, and we'll see what happens.

 

[CaseClosed]

that little cameo has had me intrigued since I saw it, Clara..

Not only WHO told Olivia about Allisons mental state, and if so, WHY they told her. ( like you, I am discounting Allison telling Olivia before her disappearance *( murder) ....)

But WHY did Olivia find it imperative, among all that was happening to state this publicly?

some scenarious come to mind. Should the SES and the public be searching for a woman shambolic in a mental fugue and to be approached warily?

Should it be then switched from a search for a healthy woman out on her regular walk to an ill woman who may not be coherent?

Should it be inferred that Allison may have wandered far far away? like... oh.. Cluncurry? or...?? being depressed and 'wanting' to get away?

Curious and curiouser in deed, Clara.

IMO, OW, at that point in time, did not know the reality of what had really happened to Allison. She could have been trying to justify to herself, in her own mind, that Allison was missing because she (allegedly) suffered from depression (hinting a suicide), not wanting to even think for a minute that there was a possibility that her brother could have been involved in Allison's disappearance. I truly believe OW did not know she had been murdered when she spoke those words. She may know now, but i guess we'll have to wait for confirmation of that.

 

[minni]

Ohhhh dear Mini...pick yourself up.....dust yourself off....and start again....:seeya:

ok, i can do most of that, but a see ya smiley? ....is this an insult?????

 

[itsthevibe]

Indromum and I placed some flowers on the bridge today, from all of us.

Lovely, you two are fab. :tyou:

RIP dear Allison

 

[linette]

ok, i can do most of that, but a see ya smiley? ....is this an insult?????

Ha, I remember when I first started posting here, there was a joke going on and I wrote something and put a :woohoo: at the end... thinking it just meant 'yay!" ,,, all happy and stuff. From a bit of a sarcastic reply I got, I soon realised it wasn't what I thought it was. :blushing:

Someone must've thought I was being a smart butt, but I wasn't.

 

[bellgirl]

Oh good, you aren't cross with me......and yes, you've been a wild 'against the masses' little poster today, so good on you, and keep it up! I am big on thinking outside the box.....
do you think there could be someone that Allison was acquainted with that may have played a part in her murder, other than GBC, TM, NBC, EBC, OW or other associates of GBC?
We don't know very much about people she may have spent time with, and havent heard any media reports along these lines. One poster today (bellgirl?) is adamant that she was having an affair, based on someone she felt was knowledgeable about this, but that is all I have heard I think

Hi minni! Sorry, but you are very wrong - I am not at all "adament that ABC was having an affair". Wow! Actually, if you read one of my last posts, I stated that that it must be rumour because nothing else has 'come out' or has been said about this. :waitasec:

 

[Keentoknow]

ok, i can do most of that, but a see ya smiley? ....is this an insult?????

Not at all mini. I dust myself off and probably make a bigger mess lol :floorlaugh:

 

[minni]

Ha, I remember when I first started posting here, there was a joke going on and I wrote something and put a :woohoo: at the end... thinking it just meant 'yay!" ,,, all happy and stuff. From a bit of a sarcastic reply I got, I soon realised it wasn't what I thought it was. :blushing:

Someone must've thought I was being a smart butt, but I wasn't.

haha, well,I wasn't being funny or whingey or anything really....just something I had started doing and it made me laugh...also I use the woohoo also and I thought it meant YAY too hahaha what the hell does it mean?