GUILTY Australia - Andrew, 45, Rose, 44, & Chantelle Rowe, 16, slain, Kapunda, 8 Nov 2010 #5

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It was Sunday night, if you were the away for the weekend you would be back on the Sunday ready for work on Monday.
 
I have one nagging question. If the evidence is so solid or he has made a full confession why would an expensive law firm take on his case? I am assuming his family can't afford to pay for them so they would be planning on winning the case, otherwise what would they have to gain? Is this just over the additional suppressed charge that the accused is denying or are they planning to win against them all? If he pleads insanity, surely the state doesn't pay the law firm for their costs etc?
 
^ re law firm, Craig Caldicott may just be a true believer who has taken this case to ensure the accused gets the best possible representation considering the public anger, and nature of the crime.

Snippet from interview with Stateline:

CRAIG CALDICOTT, SENIOR DEFENCE LAWYER: 'The justice system is there for all parties. It's not just there for victims it's not there for the defendants, it's not there for the police or for the prosecution or for judges.'

Transcript; http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/sa/content/2006/s2262255.htm
 
Doesn't answer my question though, someone has to be paying their costs.
 
Well not the family, and not always.. I am thinking pro-bono. Does SA pay non-court appointed attorney's at the same rate as a court appointed attorney if a request is made? Unsure.

A defense lawyer's job is to protect the rights of the accused, not just 'get him off' CC may believe that he can reduce charges, or ensure the accused is given the best chance to defend his actions, or believe he was provoked etc etc...

Criminal defenses from Craig Caldicott's website;

Below, you will find a list of Criminal Defences. To view information about these defences, click the relevant link. You can also find other information including a book an appointment form by clicking a button on the right hand side of the page.

http://www.adelaide-criminallawyer.com.au/web/page/criminal_defences
 
I find it strange that an apprentice is out that late at night. He is only 18 years old. Unless he is a reckless child, which by descriptions of him don't seem the case...didn't his mother and step father think it was weird he was out that late at night when he has an early morning the next day?

When your all under the same roof, you still know when your child is in and out of the house. My parents used to say they would never be able to sleep deeply until all of us kids were back in the house...i think this would be the same for most parents.

I have a feeling the mother would have had a suspicion right from the get go. Particularly if they took his car, and other bits and pieces. To me that shows that that police believe he is implicated in some way.

It really frustrates me that the police think its not in the general publics best interest to know what happened. Sure, spare the horrific details because perhaps that's just for the remaining family to know and digest for a while. But honestly, in Adelaide and particularly in Kapunda, the residents deserve to know what happened, what went down and why. I realise these things take time to uncover, but I feel that the silence is almost deafening. I know if I lived on that street, I would want to move, asap!

Then again, considering Kapunda is the most haunted town in Australia, I wouldn't be living there from the start...
Which leads me to leaving this post of a slightly lighter note. If anyone is interested in sleuthing around about Kapunda a bit more, check out the Reformatory online. Kapunda is one hell of a haunted town.

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Are you saying the lawyer you've mentioned above is taking the case? You freaking serious? I don't know how that person lives with themselves. The number of disturbing cases these guy defends...seriously. Twat.
 
sbr said:
Doesn't answer my question though, someone has to be paying their costs.
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I am putting up a link to Legal Services Commission of South Australia. It is my belief that the accused in this matter would be eligible for legal aid - particularly as he is an apprentice/TAFE student, without assets except a car.

http://www.lsc.sa.gov.au/
 
Mrs G Norris said:
Well not the family, and not always.. I am thinking pro-bono. Does SA pay non-court appointed attorney's at the same rate as a court appointed attorney if a request is made? Unsure.

A defense lawyer's job is to protect the rights of the accused, not just 'get him off' CC may believe that he can reduce charges, or ensure the accused is given the best chance to defend his actions, or believe he was provoked etc etc...

Criminal defenses from Craig Caldicott's website;

Below, you will find a list of Criminal Defences. To view information about these defences, click the relevant link. You can also find other information including a book an appointment form by clicking a button on the right hand side of the page.

http://www.adelaide-criminallawyer.com.au/web/page/criminal_defences
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I am thinking either the case isn't solid and they think they can get him off or it's pro bono like you suggest:

SA lawyers stack up the pro bono hours
 
sbr said:
It was Sunday night, if you were the away for the weekend you would be back on the Sunday ready for work on Monday.
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What from we heard the parents were back at 9am Sunday morning.It was only 80km away so maybe they were only away for that short time.Didn't we also hear that AR's boss was concerned that AR hadn't turned up to work?
 
Mrs G Norris said:
^ re law firm, Craig Caldicott may just be a true believer who has taken this case to ensure the accused gets the best possible representation considering the public anger, and nature of the crime.

Snippet from interview with Stateline:

CRAIG CALDICOTT, SENIOR DEFENCE LAWYER: 'The justice system is there for all parties. It's not just there for victims it's not there for the defendants, it's not there for the police or for the prosecution or for judges.'

Transcript; http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/sa/content/2006/s2262255.htm
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or could be just good publicity ; )
 
Mrs G Norris said:
Well not the family, and not always.. I am thinking pro-bono. Does SA pay non-court appointed attorney's at the same rate as a court appointed attorney if a request is made? Unsure.

A defense lawyer's job is to protect the rights of the accused, not just 'get him off' CC may believe that he can reduce charges, or ensure the accused is given the best chance to defend his actions, or believe he was provoked etc etc...

Mental Impairment -

My guess..........
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secret said:
Then again, considering Kapunda is the most haunted town in Australia, I wouldn't be living there from the start...
Which leads me to leaving this post of a slightly lighter note. If anyone is interested in sleuthing around about Kapunda a bit more, check out the Reformatory online. Kapunda is one hell of a haunted town.

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Yes if that reformatory is the one I am thinking of. I have visited it before it was knocked down, it was either heritage listed or in the process until someone knocked it down a few years ago. It had quite a history in regards to the priest but also Mary MacKillop was there.
 
Because the Kapunda hauntings/Ghosts have been mentioned here I thought I quickly provide some links for people to go off and do some research and find out a few more things about it before we end up off topic in here. These are some of the good sites I can think of but there are more. There are some good forums where you can further discuss the haunted aspects of Kapunda and the nearby StJohns girls reformatory

By the way it was the Catholic church that sadly demolished the reformatory ruins. The place got too much exposure due to the channel 9 doco.

Also be aware that a lot of what you read about the girls reformatory is not true. The most factual info can be found at the first link below.

http://saintjohns.weebly.com/index.html
http://www.paranormaladelaide.com/index.php?as=bcfitb9tltwcv71x6drbqrgz0isbc5w4&tid=100
http://www.eidolonparanormal.net/stjohnsatkapunda.htm
http://www.eidolonparanormal.net/hauntedkapunda.htm
http://www.eidolonparanormal.net/apps/forums/show/1101845-st-johns-kapunda
http://www.paranormalfieldinvestigators.com/st_johns_history.html
http://ohdannyboy.blogspot.com/2008/12/haunted-locations-kapunda-cemetery.html

Plus there are some good Facebook sites

Documentary on channel 9 Kapunda – Australia’s most haunted town, hosted by Warrick Moss
*some things in this video are also not fact also, so keep that in mind.

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O50CD0qC6RU

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW9U95w-IQE

Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djivWWoAmrQ

Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPzD0QWQNic

Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBVYodilsa4

Part 6 – Not uploaded yet

Plus there are other Kapunda haunted places videos on you tube.

Ok back to current subject :)
 
Mrs G Norris said:
Yeah, one more high profile case for the C.V. :)
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I'm definitely going with high profile pro-bono case.. Legal Aid (who I used to work for) really only take on cases they have a good chance of winning, just the defenant has little funds.

I don't think any firm defending a client is evil or sick.. EVERYONE has the right to a fair trial and everyone deserves to be heard. I think these lawyers would be just trying to make a fair case for him and his future. If were you were him and for whatever reason of impairment needed this kind of representation you would want the best.
 
Hi guys, great to see everyone digging up stuff. As far as posts go from the closed sections, 1,2,and 3 (was given a holiday while 4 was open)I saved these twice daily, while I was here, the whole lot.Please dont ask me for stuff just yet. Down the track hopefully we can openly discuss stuff from the early days.It is not lost forever though...Cheers
Good habit, save stuff you are interested in, easy to do, and worth its weight in gold later)
 
patroler said:
we don't really know where or how many slashes he had on his forearms - it may have been only one deep gash
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We don't really know if there were any marks on his arms.
We have been told that by the woman who says her son in law drove him, but she has never answered the question of how and when the cuts were seen, if they existed.
 
sbr said:
I have one nagging question. If the evidence is so solid or he has made a full confession why would an expensive law firm take on his case? I am assuming his family can't afford to pay for them so they would be planning on winning the case, otherwise what would they have to gain? Is this just over the additional suppressed charge that the accused is denying or are they planning to win against them all? If he pleads insanity, surely the state doesn't pay the law firm for their costs etc?
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I don't think it is likely he has made a confession, since he has claimed he has an alibi.

An alibi means proving he was not there at the time. That is the only definition of alibi.

So a person cannot confess AND have an alibi.

We really have no idea why this particular law firm is defending him. Someone has to. Maybe it is just their turn on the legal aid roster and nothing more than that.
 
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