Found Alive Australia - CC, 3, Bundaberg QLD, 10 April 2014 - #2

[h.isobel]

When I grew up I knew many people (friends) who were on the lower echelon of society. People with little to no jobs not because they were lazy but illiterate in some cases, unskilled, uneducated. Drinking was the thing that held people together in many ways, the pub was the center of friends, family and life. The biggest thing to remember is they are many good people, just ones without the chances or the skills/motivation to climb out of the rung they are on.

Lots of love albeit often rough and tumble love, not many coping skills so the bottle was turned to during times of stress which didn't help things but its what they knew. It is easy to say that one would be searching or doing something else but if you fall apart then how do you cope? If you haven't learned the skills, if you can't trust LE, if you manage just to put food on the table for the kids but not anything more, how do you cope during a crisis?

We (most of us) have all sorts of tools for coping and strategizing, if we don't have it we know its there somewhere if we ask for help. That in itself is a learned skill, to ask for help and trust it will be forthcoming. But there is a whole subset of people with addictions, within grinding poverty, with low self esteem, who are desperately trying their best to raise families but are over their heads and when something happens retreat to what they know best to dull the fear and the pain and the stress. I don't judge them as bad people or parents, just ones who don't have the advantages I have had to even know how life can be different

Thank you Silky, it's really helpful to hear a different side of it. Sounds like all of this would explain how these things come about. It is sad that people get trapped in these cycles that they cannot get out of. I think I'm going to have a day off from reading about the case tomorrow, it kind of brings you down immersing yourself in a case like this.

 

[MarleneNL]

It is understood the distraught father, who had been on a drinking binge since his daughter's disappearance, was arrested and charged about 7pm on Friday

This is weird beause in other posted links it said he the dad was attacked by a drunken man. Nothing about Garth being drunk

 

[JeannaT]

This is weird beause in other posted links it said he the dad was attacked by a drunken man. Nothing about Garth being drunk

The first article I read said he was in police custody following a "drunken brawl". That doesn't sound like they were characterizing an attack on Garth by a drunk man -

 

[MarleneNL]

Yes and this is what other articles said..

A number of locals said he was approached by another male who was yelling.
The witnesses said Garth exchanged words with the man, who then ‘knocked him out’.

So perhaps this is the same but they just do not tell us dad was drunk?

I really hope that he was not drunk. Then he would lose a bit of my respect.

It is all so weird. Cops still searching. For what? The owner of the car not calling the cops, and then we have the Melissa Small remarks which dad denies.

weird :crazy:

 

[MTBiker]

My brother lives in Coolangatta and we walk to Tweed Heads all the time.
Don't even think we are in another state..Just seems to be a continuation of the rest of the suburbs going to Brisbane. I'm thinking I'm actually crossing the border every time I go to Tweed Heads. JMOO

I would just add that Queensland has new harsh anti association laws for gangs and there have been big bikie meetings just over the border in Tweed Heads for obvious reasons.

 

[mandy.maree]

I guess it goes with the way I grew up and I have a fair amount of experience with families similar, friends from school now I see (well, look up on facebook) some of them as similar. I grew up in a bit of it. (I've broken the cycle, I'm normal. Kinda.)

ETA: It amuses my husband when we drive places and I recall fond memories of sitting at *that pub* waiting for dad to finish work and come and join "us" (being mum, my siblings and sometimes some family friends) - he was bought up in such a good house/family that it's unheard of to have the kids around as much alcohol as we were exposed to!

So have I. I still find it hard to not judge people though (especially those with multiple children! ), as I came from a shocking upbringing with an alcoholic mother and physically violent stepfather and the last thing i wanted to do was be like them.I just don't see why people want to continue that cycle for their own children. I see it all around me. I know they don't know much better and sometimes they think it's all they deserve but why keep having more kids when you choose to live that lifestyle. Really does my head in!

Glad you have also broken the cycle. It's incredibly sad most don't.

I totally agree GC drank because he was stressed out. That's what people with substance abuse issues do. Tgey don't know how to deal with stress in a normal fashion. I doubt it's because he didn't care-would just seem that way to most though.

 

[mandy.maree]

Nah, just once you're in it it's so hard to get out. Most of the people I'm thinking of and referring to had babies very young, continue to live in housing commission (government housing), generally end up single, not very bright (sorry) and that's a big reason why they can't get out - they don't have the skills, or the knowledge to acquire the skills - they end up as they now - then there's the self-worth. It's a hard life, really.

My upbringing was slightly different to the ones I refer, slightly. And the main difference I believe is that both my parents worked to make it through. The families who continue the cycle tended to be poor with either both parents unemployed, or only one working very low-wage jobs.

I also think I have a little bit of smarts to recognise it all and get out - thankfully all my siblings are.

This all said - I can guarantee that if something like this had happened when I was a kid, my mum would've been drinking out of the bottle.

Perfectly described right there!

 

[Tssiemer]

I'm so confused. Is there a Wikipedia summary out yet? Lol.


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[Sin]

They took DNA from 20 people to compare to DNA FOUND WHERE ?

DNA found on her clothes! I think they even specified in some articles the 'outside' of her clothes. I really feel like they've been trying to say without flat out saying it that she was NOT assaulted in any way.

http://www.qt.com.au/news/chloes-return-baffles-police/2228233/

Garth drinking in some way kind of makes me feel like he wasn't directly involved. It's well established that he has a lot of work and learning to do as far as his family and parenting skills and it defiantly confirms that... But! Most parents guilty of something in their child's disappearance (or worse) try to over compensate. They want police/media to see them as the victim so they try to play into that perfect parent roll as much as possible.

 

[Sin]

Totally off the subject but to me but the pictures of Chloe when was found to me didnt look anything like her missing pictures. She looks like a chubby child. May be my eyes playing tricks?

I agree, she looks like a different child (not in a THEY'VE BEEN SWITCHED way, but just in a she looks different way) but I suspect it's camera angles, the other photos have been taken from above with her looking up, it skews the subject.

It's why I like photos taken from above - much more slimming!

As a young female that takes WAAAAY too many selfies. (It's not vein if you're pretty. It's like the rule where no calories count on your birthday, mothers day, Christmas, Easter, presidents day, and... You get the idea) My 4 year old girl already mastered the art of the selfie, but she, like me, takes pictures of EVERYTHING and everyone all the time. Back on topic, sorry.... With contouring the the right angles from above your face you can make yourself look like a completely different person almost. I'm always careful to take a knee to take a picture of the boy or the girl so I get what they "really" look like. Especially because my girl has big adorable cheeks and I dont want them thinned out. That's only when close to them from far away it's not an issue.

 

[FindingTheMissing]

It has been reported Chloe was abducted and held hostage over her father's alleged drug debt, with family friend Melissa Small telling News Corp the three-year-old had described her kidnappers as "daddy's friends".

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...n-20-people-20140414-36naf.html#ixzz2yqAWJ6XC

Aha! That's where the "daddy's friends" comments came from! This lady needs to be locked up so she shuts up. Seems she is purposely trying to lead them on a goose chase or something. Why?? Covering for someone maybe?

 

[Sin]

Oh as to the video. IF this is Chloe I'm not sure if the way she seemed to be leading the men is indicative of it being it being her dad or not. All children have their own set of internal rules as to what is and isn't ok.

Example my two: Boy and girl same exact age and same upbringing and over protective mom of course. The girl used to not be comfortable even walking away from me with my mom in public. When she's out in public unless we're at a park or something she's glued to my side and wouldn't walk as comfortably in the video with anyone other than me or her dad. The boy, though, terrifies me because he's so outgoing and he's never met a stranger. If one of you offered him ice cream he'd probably be leading you around like no other. We have to watch him like a hawk because he doesn't get stranger danger. Most children are somewhere in between, but it all depends on the child.

So a little girl walking freely with someone she believes is OK because daddy seems to like him alright isn't out of the realm of possibilities if he told her they were going somewhere fun.

ETA: Ok I think I'm done now. Sorry. lol

 

[TessDeco]

This is what I don't understand. If there is any possibility that Chloe was abducted by "daddy's friends" because of some revenge or drug debt, wouldn't LE take not only Chloe but all their kids into protective custody away from Childers? Or maybe send them to stay with family in another town until they investigate any further threat to this family?

I don't live in Australia so I don't know how LE handles situations where kids may be in danger but it just seems that if GC is a drunk with known drug connections that may be involved in Chloe's abduction, LE would not just let Chloe return to her parents. IDK there's so many rumors surrounding this case, it's hard to make sense of it!

 

[YidArmyRach]

This is what I don't understand. If there is any possibility that Chloe was abducted by "daddy's friends" because of some revenge or drug debt, wouldn't LE take not only Chloe but all their kids into protective custody away from Childers? Or maybe send them to stay with family in another town until they investigate any further threat to this family?

I don't live in Australia so I don't know how LE handles situations where kids may be in danger but it just seems that if GC is a drunk with known drug connections that may be involved in Chloe's abduction, LE would not just let Chloe return to her parents. IDK there's so many rumors surrounding this case, it's hard to make sense of it!

The only way it makes sense to me is if LE don't believe she was ever abducted, and they are just sitting back and letting the family think they are in the all clear, whilst they quietly gather up the evidence behind the scenes.

But that's just my way of thinking and MOO.

 

[MarleneNL]

as I came from a shocking upbringing with an alcoholic mother and physically violent stepfather and the last thing i wanted to do was be like them.

I totally agree GC drank because he was stressed out. That's what people with substance abuse issues do. Tgey don't know how to deal with stress in a normal fashion. I doubt it's because he didn't care-would just seem that way to most though.

First of all. :hug: and a :hug: for somethingsilent
How wonderful you have managed to get a different lifestyle

Second of all. I used to have a severe drug habit but I was thinking I would not drink if my child was kidnapped, but after your comment I thought, if my choice of drug was not attainable perhaps because of all the stress I would have drunk.
You are right. Addicts or peeps that do drugs, do not know yet how to deal with stress without taking something to calm their nerves (They think it calms) so I was wrong to say he would lose a bit of my respect.

In June I will be clean for exact 15 years.

Back to the case. Okay yesterday all the bad rumours about the family started. If this was all a lie would LE (no idea what it stands for :grin: not say something to stand up for the family? So far they did not do that.

 

[Mel 1303]

This is what I don't understand. If there is any possibility that Chloe was abducted by "daddy's friends" because of some revenge or drug debt, wouldn't LE take not only Chloe but all their kids into protective custody away from Childers? Or maybe send them to stay with family in another town until they investigate any further threat to this family?

I don't live in Australia so I don't know how LE handles situations where kids may be in danger but it just seems that if GC is a drunk with known drug connections that may be involved in Chloe's abduction, LE would not just let Chloe return to her parents. IDK there's so many rumors surrounding this case, it's hard to make sense of it!

I think "daddy's friends" was only every said by MS, for what purpose I don't know. We have two separate batches of information- that shared by police, and that shared by MS. Sadly, they have become very intermingled in the MSM. Where ever the Campbell family are at the moment, the police will be watching them closely. They may not be in Childers anymore. I am very curious as to why a friend would be making public statements to journalists that are not only not true, but also very damaging to GC.

 

[Mel 1303]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...-from-more-than-20-people-20140414-36naf.html

Quotes from Detective Inspector Bruce McNabb

However, Inspector McNab said Chloe had made no mention of "daddy's friends" when interviewed by specialist police at the weekend.

But at no time has anyone told us that she's uttered the words 'daddy's friends'.

Inspector McNab said reports Mr Campbell was associated with a drug-dealing family in Childers, were so far unfounded.


These cowards, and you can't call them anything but cowards, have then left a three-year-old girl in the dark of the showgrounds in the hope that she finds her way home, or someone finds her - a more cowardly act, you couldn't possibly imagine.

This to me sounds as though Inspector McNabb, without spending too much time on it, is trying to dispel some of the rumour. No one in any official capacity has mentioned "daddys friends". No one has reported to the police that Chloe said that. The drug issue is unknown- Inspector McNabb is not saying that there is no drug debt, but he made sure he said there is no known connection with a drug family. All of this came from one source. I cant find a single reference to drugs or a drug debt anywhere except in the papers from a family friend. Inspector McNabb is treating this as though he believes she was abducted. He didn't need to come out and say things that disputed what others were saying in the media, but he did anyway, which to me says that he is defending them.

ETA: MS's misleading statements may not be deliberate- she may have been speculating, and unfortunately speculating to a journalist, who doesn't need to quote everything she said, only the juicy bits. She may just be naïve when it comes to the media, rather than malicious.

 

[Neopolitan]

Looks like GC has had a long term problem with alcohol abuse.
http://www.news-mail.com.au/news/nuisance-hurls-abuse-at-traffic/1185867/

 

[Vegemite]

Just watching the Today Show and Lisa Wilkinson has just interviewed the police, She directly asked him about the "Daddy's Friend" comment, to which he replied they had not been told that directly and she then went on to ask if they thought it was drug related payback? His reply was that they had a line of enquiry that they were following but could not comment because it could jeopodise the case.

BTW Hi

 

[Jayarre]

Just watching the Today Show and Lisa Wilkinson has just interviewed the police, She directly asked him about the "Daddy's Friend" comment, to which he replied they had not been told that directly and she then went on to ask if they thought it was drug related payback? His reply was that they had a line of enquiry that they were following but could not comment because it could jeopodise the case.

BTW Hi

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