Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

[Fast Eddie]

Besides negativity, what are you offering Fast Eddie?

A realistic view of what has happened. Not theories based on club footed, cross dressing, stars wars freaks sneaking around making up secret codes to remember where he dumped alleged victims. My offering is also the opinion that the Con Bayens info was crucial in leading us to where we are.....https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...ence-with-wa-police-about-claremont-killings/

 

[Innerchild]

A realistic view of what has happened. Not theories based on club footed, cross dressing, stars wars freaks sneaking around making up secret codes to remember where he dumped alleged victims. My offering is also the opinion that the Con Bayens info was crucial in leading us to where we are.....https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...ence-with-wa-police-about-claremont-killings/

How was that crucial when they ignored him for 15 years?? Why was he ignored? Why did Caporn keep getting promoted? Was AB living in Perth continuing doing what he does best but not being caught? If so why wasn't he caught? Too many questions on Jane Rimmer and what happened and the cctv? Where is SS body? Who else knows what happened?

 

[Annalise]

Thoughts.. MOO.. I think he was an out of control lunatic when in Kill mode. Presenting in person out the front of the pub to talk to JR (if it is him). LIke Bundy, did not care. Cops would have got him I am sure if he had of continued. Thankfully it seems the relationships morphed him. Driving around offering lifts, picking his target. Not that hard back then. It was a different time.

Hi ezywalker - yes I agree when CSK was in killing mode he was like Bundy and didn't care. Cops would have caught him if he had continued in Claremont. Perth was so laid back in 96/97 but I think the Claremont Killings changed Perth and made people more aware about safety. MOO

 

[Innerchild]

Perhaps we could collate all the ideas we have about where SS might be?

1. The experts suggest East.
2. Research indicates further away than JR or CG.

*Unsure if DAGOBAH is connected to SS, GR, someone already found, someone else, or irrelevant...............

I agree with 1 and 2. but don't know what experts you mean for 1 and 2 is a theory that may apply. DAGOBAH if I've coded it correctly is 41715218 and not sure how this relates to an area.

I do believe that the CSK is very interested in leaving clues and playing games. IMO there is more than one person with knowledge of where the bodies were found that is doing this. In particular online sites such as this where they can leave comments or clues has been used. Most IMO are leaving false trails. So to try to find what is plausible and what is b.s, Ive tried to start with known facts.

'The most important factual clue for me is the geographic location of where the bodies of CG and JR were found.

 

[Innerchild]

Clues to find SS.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...9#post12576739 BenJones gives a very good example of a W- E straight line through Claremont on his map and I've replicated this straight line many times. What are the chances?

Read SteveG's mapping for dummies explanation of working out the probability of these two bodies being found in a straight line going through the intersection of Bay View Tce. and St Quentins Ave Claremont. 0.1 % Mathematically speaking this is statistically significant and not random. If you took all the land in between the bodies for the calculation the probability would decrease to 0.0028% or so. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...997-Perth-Western-Australia-7-*ARREST*/page12


I considered SS being on or near this line or on an extended line. However, with Julie Cutler where the family were told by police they thought she was the CSK first victim, to me it's logical to use the location of where her car was found and extend this line through the same intersection in Claremont to find the possible second victim, SS.
I am assuming JC and SS were the first two victims of the CSK even though the accused hasn't been charged with either.

 

[b4u]

I do believe that the CSK is very interested in leaving clues and playing games.

That above sentence, taken at face value, implies that you "believe" that the CSK is not BRE.
That the CSK is still out there somewhere.

I look forwards to you producing credible evidence to support this "belief".

 

[Innerchild]

Where the line intersects through Claremont is important and it could have been The Continental Hotel. The N -S line goes through both the Conti and Bay View/St Q intersection.

Discussions between posters in December concluded that the correct intersection was Bay View Tce and St Q. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...997-Perth-Western-Australia-7-*ARREST*/page20

I'm calling this a clue, as IMO one or two of these posters have inside knowledge of the body disposal, and excellent map skills and knowledge.

The other clue for using this intersection was that both girls went to Iona Presentation College. Typing Presentation Convent accommodation into Google maps comes up with a location exactly on this intersection, which is nowhere near the location of the Convent.

This W- E line goes through Red Hill Auditorium (clue sometimes mistaken for Parkerville) and I played around with different lines, patterns and line extensions.

Google maps: Presentation Convent Accommodation

 

[Fast Eddie]

How was that crucial when they ignored him for 15 years?? Why was he ignored? Why did Caporn keep getting promoted? Was AB living in Perth continuing doing what he does best but not being caught? If so why wasn't he caught? Too many questions on Jane Rimmer and what happened and the cctv? Where is SS body? Who else knows what happened?

The fact that it was ignored at the time is irrelevant. The same could be said of the Kimono and KK evidence. Reviews reveal missed crucial info. A simple check of Bayens info with details of the vehicle involved leads to BRE. A wannabee cop in a car that looks like a cop car out looking for easy victims eg street prostitutes........then DNA links discovered, then covert collection of BRE DNA sample. As for the Claremont Ghost videos...they are rubbish and offer nothing

 

[b4u]

A simple check of Bayens info with details of the vehicle involved leads to BRE. A wannabee cop in a car that looks like a cop car out looking for easy victims eg street prostitutes

You are suggesting that BRE was who Bayens pulled up, all those years ago with the plastic lined boot?

Do you know what year Bayens did this?

 

[Innerchild]

http://blogs.watoday.com.au/yoursay/...ont_killi.html

2009 Blog originally posted by PeteDavo. Some interesting posters including Dr p and a Vulnavia February 09, 2009 09:31 PM

...The CSK made his 1st(of the 3) victim soo easy to find you`d simplyfall over her.If you like trekking water.Don`t tread in our water....


Easterly straight line from Cott, it went to thesecond footbridge (4) on the Noble Falls Nature Walk.

Tunnels meet windmills

Telstra signs indicating underground cables close by

20 or so year old broken beer bottle buried at site (Who knows if this is a clue or just a random rambling from PCS?)

The last clue I haven't published and it related to one of the images SteveG posted that had a historical plaque, which took me to a geocashe site and clue which helped pinpoint a site exactly on E - W line.

 

[Innerchild]

The fact that it was ignored at the time is irrelevant. The same could be said of the Kimono and KK evidence. Reviews reveal missed crucial info. A simple check of Bayens info with details of the vehicle involved leads to BRE. A wannabee cop in a car that looks like a cop car out looking for easy victims eg street prostitutes........then DNA links discovered, then covert collection of BRE DNA sample. As for the Claremont Ghost videos...they are rubbish and offer nothing

Being ignored at the time and for 15 years is a very relevant question, as are my other questions IMO. And was it ignored at the time? Viewing the correspondence after that programme, seemed to indicate someone did go and interview Con's suspect, although Con was never informed. The inference I took is that they questioned him and let him off because of the narrow focus of the head of Macro at the time.

Maybe Hint 7 does have something to offer, is it too much to ask just to post that one?

 

[JWSleuth]

" quote con bayens: Bayens said he picked up a man in Highgate, an area notorious for prostitution, with all the hallmarks of a killer, but he was ignored by those in charge.

He stopped a man he believed to be loitering in an unmarked police car.

"The boot was lined in blue plastic. There was wire ties, a pair of pliers, some masking tape," Bayens said.

"We had one girl murdered, we had another one missing. He could have been the killer." "

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...hy-we-didnt-catch-the-claremont-killer/#page1

I read this as it was a police car not a "fake police car"

I agree con bayens man was def a huge oversight though...

 

[Twist]

MM video released to public August 2008 but apparently this video was shown to identified patrons who where at The Continental the night JR went missing. Is there any MSM information on how many saw this video and at what dates? If factual It would mean information about a video would have to be common knowledge to all those their at the night and surely the fact that a video existed would have been communicated by the patrons to others in discussions. Knowing this information may have influenced CSK behaviour, while some predictors don't care too much about being caught, I think the CSK did.

 

[Fast Eddie]

You are suggesting that BRE was who Bayens pulled up, all those years ago with the plastic lined boot?

Do you know what year Bayens did this?

Yes I am. It was 2002 in Highgate. I believe that this will become clear as this matter progresses through the lkegal system. Oh...IMO. All this fluff about secret codes and star wars characters and lines and patterns are wrong. The alleges CSK survived on dumb luck and IMO this will be clearly demonstrated in the wash up of this.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uspect-walk-free-focused-tying-man-crime.html

 

[Fast Eddie]

" quote con bayens: Bayens said he picked up a man in Highgate, an area notorious for prostitution, with all the hallmarks of a killer, but he was ignored by those in charge.

He stopped a man he believed to be loitering in an unmarked police car.

"The boot was lined in blue plastic. There was wire ties, a pair of pliers, some masking tape," Bayens said.

"We had one girl murdered, we had another one missing. He could have been the killer." "

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-ni...hy-we-didnt-catch-the-claremont-killer/#page1

I read this as it was a police car not a "fake police car"

I agree con bayens man was def a huge oversight though...

The vehicle in question had the appearance of being an unmarked Police Vehicle. This fits with what I believe happened at Claremont.

 

[Mo Joe]

Yes I am. It was 2002 in Highgate. I believe that this will become clear as this matter progresses through the lkegal system. Oh...IMO. All this fluff about secret codes and star wars characters and lines and patterns are wrong. The alleges CSK survived on dumb luck and IMO this will be clearly demonstrated in the wash up of this.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uspect-walk-free-focused-tying-man-crime.html

You seem to have your knickers in a real knot about Star Wars. It wasn't me who came up with the word YODA!

 

[meticulously]

Yes I am. It was 2002 in Highgate. I believe that this will become clear as this matter progresses through the lkegal system. Oh...IMO. All this fluff about secret codes and star wars characters and lines and patterns are wrong. The alleges CSK survived on dumb luck and IMO this will be clearly demonstrated in the wash up of this.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uspect-walk-free-focused-tying-man-crime.html

"That just hit about 10 on my weird s***-o-meter.''

"WA Police insist they looked into the sinister man Mr Bayens encountered, but the former constable insists the enquiry never took place."

 

[Mo Joe]

MM video released to public August 2008 but apparently this video was shown to identified patrons who where at The Continental the night JR went missing. Is there any MSM information on how many saw this video and at what dates? If factual It would mean information about a video would have to be common knowledge to all those their at the night and surely the fact that a video existed would have been communicated by the patrons to others in discussions. Knowing this information may have influenced CSK behaviour, while some predictors don't care too much about being caught, I think the CSK did.

IIRC the video was showed to about 700 people (apparently)?

 

[Annalise]

You seem to have your knickers in a real knot about Star Wars. It wasn't me who came up with the word YODA!

I really don't know why people get so angry about sleuthers trying to figure out what may be messages from the accused CSR. Serial killers like to taunt police and the public about their crimes. Since the accused is going to trial soon I presume what he posted on Facebook is related to where SS could be. We have nothing else to go on. Literally working with very little info. What is wrong with trying to analyse his Facebook pictures and posts. Obviously he cleared his computers and Facebook account info before his arrest and left what he wanted to give clues or as an 'in your face to cops/public'. So stop having a go. It could be useful information. Remember HE posted it MOO

 

[EvieBear]

Donald Morey was the man driving the Commodore through Northbridge with the plastic-lined boot that looked liked and unmarked police car, that was stopped by Con B. Convicted rapist and murderer, stuff of nightmares, worst of the worst. I did come across a link somewhere, will post if I can find.