Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #19

[janwa]

Jan can you please elaborate on your reasons WHY you don't go along with Fountain Way scenario?

The house was up for sale so would have h been open for viewing or an agent have a key. The house settlement went through during CG's disappearance so must have been on the market for several months before.

Why would you risk using the property for nefarious reasons during that time frame.

 

[janwa]

Here's one of your South Side rapists I'm sure there was mention of an earlier one other than the obvious.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...e-unstuck-ng-8ff8ee4851c581808c5aaab6da68f6a4

 

[Akai]

<modsnip> Clearly a flat top car port as was very common in the area. Remote garage doors in the 90&#8217;s were not that common, especially in a working class area bordering Gosnells. If you drove through that part of Hungtingdale now they would still be not as common as they are in new areas today. I grew up in Willetton in a house of similar vintage (80&#8217;s built) and less than half of the houses in my Street would have automatic garages now. In fact I can think of about 3 or 4 out of 23. More than half would have open car ports.

I have gone back and had a look and the picture that appears from the link now is different to the one that appeared when I clicked the link last night. The one now, yes, agree, you can see through to the backyard quite clearly and the frame looks different than would be required for a garage. I'm guessing the one last night was of a different house or another Street View picture of that house from a different point in time. Weird, but probably some sort of glitch with my computer or google.


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[Owlie]

Are you ready to race! Start your engines!!! Cuz Friday night in Claremont, is speedway night!!!

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...x-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=ULSYWo_1A63M8gf8lo3QBQ

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...x-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=zbiYWu_VLajM8gfh9ZTIBA

I read in one of the other blogs (so I can’t give a reference and I personally don’t know if it’s true or not) that both Jane and Ciara disappeared on a Friday night, Claremont Speedway night.
http://www.vintagespeedway.com/Claremont.html


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[Credulious]

Heres junior super sedans etc which shut 2000

source: http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.com/1981--1985-claremont.html

 

[Credulious]

I read in one of the other blogs (so I can&#8217;t give a reference and I personally don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s true or not) that both Jane and Ciara disappeared on a Friday night, Claremont Speedway night.
http://www.vintagespeedway.com/Claremont.html

Ciara was out Friday night, but it was 00:15 Saturday she was last seen. Australia day was Friday in 1996. (Sarah)

I wouldn't lock onto Speedway, but maybe it had some bearing. Someone might have been hospitality staff there. Hence the late night abductions around midnight or after.

Jane was midnight, Ciara was 00:15 past midnight, Sarah was 2am

 

[Owlie]

I don’t recall the incident BRE has been charged with and I don’t have any memories from that time, though now that you mention it I do recall the term “Southside rapist”, but I think I’ve read about it since rather than having memories from that time, but it’s a long time ago. I have clear memories of The Birnies and The Claremont disappearances/murders from the time they occurred.


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This is my recollection of the Southside rapist - I’m not sure if they refer to the same cases or not.

It’s 30 years since the Huntingdale case that the accused allegedly committed. I don’t recall hearing the term Southside rapist back then. I may have heard of cases like Huntingdale in my general area at the time but it’s so long ago and it wouldn’t have received a high level of ongoing publicity, so I’m just not sure. I haven’t lived in the area for 25 years or more.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...stuck-ng-8ff8ee4851c581808c5aaab6da68f6a4.amp


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[Credulious]

This is my recollection of the Southside rapist - I&#8217;m not sure if they refer to the same cases or not.

It&#8217;s 30 years since the Huntingdale case that the accused allegedly committed. I don&#8217;t recall hearing the term Southside rapist back then. I may have heard of cases like Huntingdale in my general area at the time but it&#8217;s so long ago and it wouldn&#8217;t have received a high level of ongoing publicity, so I&#8217;m just not sure. I haven&#8217;t lived in the area for 25 years or more.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...stuck-ng-8ff8ee4851c581808c5aaab6da68f6a4.amp

I thought Masters was suspected of being the Southside racist? He was involved in the murder in Victoria Park.

Another man is serving time for Devlins murder? Devlin was involved in heroin trafficking.

The Kimono was suspected to have been connected to the Southside rapist. Maybe detectives were in error to who the Southside rapist was?

"David Troy Masters, 49, has spent the past 24 years incarcerated for murders he committed in 1987 and 1991."

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...s-in-jail-ng-caabadc94c068367a745b2fea510be56


HOMICIDE MURDER VENESSA ROBERTA DEVLIN MURDER OF BY JAMES ALEXANDER TILBURY

https://archive.sro.wa.gov.au/index...murder-of-by-james-alexander-tilbury-05476-85

Makes you wonder about Kerry Turner doesn't it, another hitchhiker.

Tilbury is serving a sentence for his second conviction for wilful murder.

The first was in 1971, when he strangled a woman he lived with.

He was out of prison for two years when he then murdered a hitchhiker.

When Tilbury was interviewed by Arthur Tonkin for a Fremantle Prison oral history project in 1990, he described his second murder as a spontaneous attack.

"Just a young lass I picked up and for some reason, I killed her," he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-...double-murderer-calls-for-cctv-reform/5458562

 

[Owlie]

Ciara was out Friday night, but it was 00:15 Saturday she was last seen. Australia day was Friday in 1996.

I wouldn't lock onto Speedway, but maybe it had some bearing. Someone might have been hospitality staff there. Hence the late night abductions around midnight or after.

Jane was midnight, Ciara was 00:15 past midnight, Sarah was 2am

Thanks, I was more thinking along the lines that some people from outer suburbs may have attended Claremont speedway and then gone a couple of minutes up the street to The Continental or Club Bayview for a drink or to socialise.

For those not from Perth, Claremont is an affluent inner suburban area that is/was mainly a small shopping precinct with a few restaurants, one hotel and one nightclub, it was very quiet in comparison to the main nightlife district which was Northbridge.

It was mostly inhabited by locals and some current and former UWA students from other areas, like myself. When I went there occasionally it seemed like most people knew each other.

If someone for example MM didn’t go regularly, but occasionally after speedway, perhaps they may have spoken to Jane on a previous occasion a few weeks before and then bumped into each other again on the night of her murder. JMOO


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[Credulious]

This is my recollection of the Southside rapist - I&#8217;m not sure if they refer to the same cases or not.

It&#8217;s 30 years since the Huntingdale case that the accused allegedly committed. I don&#8217;t recall hearing the term Southside rapist back then. I may have heard of cases like Huntingdale in my general area at the time but it&#8217;s so long ago and it wouldn&#8217;t have received a high level of ongoing publicity, so I&#8217;m just not sure. I haven&#8217;t lived in the area for 25 years or more.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...stuck-ng-8ff8ee4851c581808c5aaab6da68f6a4.amp

I thought Masters was suspected of being the Southside racist? He was involved in the murder in Victoria Park.

Another man is serving time for Devlins murder? Devlin was involved in heroin trafficking.

The Kimono was suspected to have been connected to the Southside rapist.

These are all older suburbs, now closer to the city which have become higher valued property.

Be mindful that many people living in these suburbs "at the time of the incidents around 1996" had lived there for some time.

All these places were working class in their day except for river foreshore. Mosman Park is full of flats and Homeswest housing holding a multitude of drug and crime issues.

These areas were the haunting ground of Eric Cooke, a criminal who reigned terror on the region.

Jane's parents were Shenton Park, Jane just in Wembley flats. Sarah was in South Perth flats. Ciara living in Mosman Park with her mum and dad post return from Ireland.

These are not wealthy families. Real wealthy families don't have their kids in a flat. They buy them a house. Nothing about these girls is what you would call families of wealth.

All their fathers had jobs they worked, Don being the only business owner, a shearing contractor.

Places like Ocean Beach Hotel were often visited by farming kids. A high proportion of farming kids.

 

[DRT]

Here's one of your South Side rapists I'm sure there was mention of an earlier one other than the obvious.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...e-unstuck-ng-8ff8ee4851c581808c5aaab6da68f6a4

I believe Dyers was known as the Murdoch University Rapist targetting students after night classes. I think the attacks were specifically around that area. I don't know if the Southside Rapist was one or multiple.

 

[petedavo.au]

Almost certainly. We had quite a discussion on this a while back, on websleuths. Ask PD. Most was removed and we were ordered not to talk about other members. Or suppression orders are in place.

This particular member could have outed himself by describing aspects of an assault in Church Lane where the victim had her head bashed against a wall that were never published in the media.

It was a false lead. They weren't the posts of the accused, nor the doctor who was a witness in the Susan Christie case either.
There was a lot of excitement on WS that they might've been, and about 200 posts were removed by WS Admin and the thread was shut down with a stern warning about violations of TOS.
It became obvious in the new thread that the lead that we all got excited about was false, thanks to websleuth PCS who provided evidence that the Parkie posts were all his imaginative speculation.

The old posts by the disused account are not disclosures of any inside knowledge of the crimes IMO. The posts might of been designed to trick readers, who were ignoring him at the time, into thinking they were though. No one responded to them at the time. I can't see any good reason to respond to them now.

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[BReVeTTe]

I have gone back and had a look and the picture that appears from the link now is different to the one that appeared when I clicked the link last night. The one now, yes, agree, you can see through to the backyard quite clearly and the frame looks different than would be required for a garage. I'm guessing the one last night was of a different house or another Street View picture of that house from a different point in time. Weird, but probably some sort of glitch with my computer or google.

I too had a similar experience with GoogleEarth while sleuthing the accused property at 344 Acton and surrounding neighbourhood.
After hours spent formulating a theory from studying the GE images [*as seen honestly on my device*], upon uploading those images with a personal theory for the consideration of others in an a&#322;ternative forum, the only feedback received was an absolute bare minimum and tantamount to ridicule.

I do realise some may find my speculated theories "over the top'', but need to emphasize, I am an honest person, NOT one to post mischievously, and that the images I uploaded to that forum were genuine screenshot observations from a (possibly outdated) version of GE running on my device AT THAT TIME. The version has, seemingly, since updated and the image content I refer to is no longer depicted.

The whole debacle, as outlined above, left me seriously considering the possibility of whether some malicious individual(s) may have had ability to [hack/interfere] with my device in a bid to make me look a right twat? Ifso - it worked - and as a consequence of my received response, I removed those posts ... and whilst a continued reader of various forums, I have since -for the most- kept my mouth shut for best part of the past 12months.

edit footnote:
Despite having a long term interest in crime research, there are currently many triggers for me in my passion to sleuth as I continue to re-adjust to trauma, and the fallout of unwanted change thrust upon me since myself becoming a victim of crime ;
however, i trust the basis of the above post may further assist my explanation for lack of posts which was recently mentioned (via PM) as having been noted. sincerely, BREVeTTe

 

[Owlie]

The West Australian June 18[SUP]th,[/SUP] 1988, page 1. By Steve Lague. New Southside murder hunt.

Police find partially clothed body of Vanessa Roberta Devlin 23 years old.

Certain similarities to other attacks by south side rapist.

Found on floor of a sleepout at the rear of an Albany Highway house. House is 100m from highway and no close neighbours with a railway line running alongside.

South side rapist may be responsible for more than 16 attacks on women in the past 2 years. They include the murder of Victoria Clark aged 30.

Suspect is mid 20’s 175 cm tall medium build, dark curly hair and brown eyes.

Police unwilling to say just one man was responsible. Maybe shift worker.

My bolding. This is the south side rapist I was asking about?

Thanks - great work! I remember the murder in Albany Hwy though not the victims name (apologies to her family, RIP), however I do remember the name Victoria Clark and her murder in Vic Park.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...s-in-jail-ng-caabadc94c068367a745b2fea510be56

IMO, the description of 175cm, dark curly hair does not match the description of BRE.

But this whole Southside Rapist term is becoming very confusing and IMOO it looks like journalists tagged any southern suburbs sexual assault cases as Southside and they may or may not be related.


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[Owlie]

Not trying to be critical with the house , captive theory , but this would mean abduct the victims and get them to his home without being noticed , keep them in his home without being noticed , then do a repeat journey to wherever without being noticed , all at times when any car on the road is noticeable... And do it 2 or 3 times .... I'm having trouble seeing this option

I don’t mean to sound condescending, but thanks FF for voicing your differing option in a non-judgemental way. You have every right to critique the theory but I for one appreciate that you didn’t criticise the poster.


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[Credulious]

It was a false lead. They weren't the posts of the accused, nor the doctor who was a witness in the Susan Christie case either.
There was a lot of excitement on WS that they might've been, and about 200 posts were removed by WS Admin and the thread was shut down with a stern warning about violations of TOS.
It became obvious in the new thread that the lead that we all got excited about was false, thanks to websleuth PCS who provided evidence that the Parkie posts were all his imaginative speculation.

Much of it appears ambiguous mumbo jumbo, with tit bits of information that was potentially gleaned from rumour on the ground at the time. A lot of people fell for Parkies innuendo.

Parkie is from Parkerville? He is around the same age as the accused? Has Parkie or family ever worked for Telstra?

 

[Credulious]

I agree with this and think we may have dismissed the Fountain Way property as factoring in to where he took the girls too quickly. I had another look last night, note the two huge roller doors on remote control. He could have taken the girls straight in without even getting out of the car and quietly rolled them down.

The Karrakatta attack in 1995, Esuiw was still registered at 10 Fountain Way. I think this is why she survived. When Sarah was taken in 1996 Esuiw had moved out, he had a house to himself probably for the first time in his life and he was free to indulge his worst fantasies. Then Jane and finally Ciara. The house in Fountain Way was sold one day before Ciara's body was found and he moved out to live with his parents.

This is why imo he stopped killing, it was for practical reasons. He didnt have the privacy and security of own house any more.

When the Fountain Way property was inspected, police were walking out with evidence bags but most of the attention went onto Madora Bay and the house he was currently living in. The people living at Fountain Way at the time of the arrest had to move out of that property and all their furniture went out as well when investigators went in. Whatever samples police did take out of there, it would have taken some time for results to come back. While there might not be much left by way of evidence after 20 years to find at that property, I think this is where he took the girls. Perhaps the question might be, as a single man with an empty house ... why wouldn't he?

In terms of where Sarah Spiers may be, that she left to her final destination from Huntingdale and not Claremont may be taken into consideration.

The clues I think are there to find in this article ... and more specifically in the roller doors.

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...s/news-story/557f281e68cdf76d572843291ea9cef7

I don't really expect people to, excuse the pun, get all hung up about whether there were roller doors on the frame or flip ups ... or they went up later. With or without, he could still have driven in early hours of the morning in privacy.

The question many people ask that far as I know we've been struggling to find an answer to is "Why did he stop abducting and murdering women?"

And I think it was because he moved out of that house. He no longer had a place of his own to do what he wanted in.

Without the roller doors, it diminishes your theory he went back to his house each time using the roller doors as drive in.

I cant see he took girls back to his house for any period of time. Mum and Dad coming over for a cup of tea.

That Karrakatta warehouse looks a possibility. Quiet non populated business area. Back to work after the weekend.

Midnight Friday is Saturday, Sunday back to work Monday or RDO?

Jane Rimmer was a Monday, June 9 1997. RDO? Killed and dumped on the same night on the way to Madora bay?

Or was Jane a Sunday session, abducted after midnight (June 9 Monday morning?)

The report says that certain items of clothing remain missing from the murder scenes of both the women whose bodies have been found, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

It says police are convinced both women were killed close to where they were abducted, and on the same nights that they were abducted.

They were not murdered where they were found.
http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/JulieCutler.htm

 

[Credulious]

Can anyone really see his reason for stopping being that he no longer had a house/lived alone? Surely it&#8217;s more likely that he either had a close call in getting caught dumping a body or in my opinion most likely was treated for a mental illness that while taking his meds controlled his behaviour. I can&#8217;t imagine a murdering, raping, psychopath just giving up because it was no longer convenient.

Coincidentally, it appears to have happened between relationships where the accused resided with partners midst the divorce of a wife in the legal industry.

Who handled Esiuws divorce?

 

[Twist]

Yeah so may have taken his meds when under supervision or happy in a relationship. Surely it&#8217;s not just, gee the house is empty tonight, maybe I will kill someone. Oh no, hang on the mrs will be home soon so I will leave it until next weekend.


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what meds ? Only speculation from theories,

The killer was a predator who predates for sexual gratification, Cemtery victim 2 charges, could be two different entry points but also could be 1 act twice, if so refractory period required with various time frames required for individuals. Therefore holding site seems a very strong possibility.

 

[Pandit]

Agree to disagree!

Why on earth would he take the girls to a place he had no control over such as Karrakatta warehouse where security or the police might just happen to drive in at any time when he had his own house?

It's been demonstrated many times here as fact that abductees are often taken to the killers house and it is the most logical (IF they were taken to another specific location and not killed in the car) Why keep throwing random pins at a geographical dartboard when there's absolutely nothing to suggest any other location outside known properties?

The police ripped concrete up at Fountain Way, they moved the current tenants out for days with their furniture. For no reason?

Amazeballs.

Happy to move on from this, eventually we may get the answers.

Without the roller doors, it diminishes your theory he went back to his house each time using the roller doors as drive in.

I cant see he took girls back to his house for any period of time. Mum and Dad coming over for a cup of tea.

That Karrakatta warehouse looks a possibility. Quiet non populated business area. Back to work after the weekend.

Midnight Friday is Saturday, Sunday back to work Monday or RDO?

Jane Rimmer was a Monday, June 9 1997. RDO? Killed and dumped on the same night on the way to Madora bay?

Or was Jane a Sunday session, abducted after midnight (June 9 Monday morning?)

The report says that certain items of clothing remain missing from the murder scenes of both the women whose bodies have been found, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

It says police are convinced both women were killed close to where they were abducted, and on the same nights that they were abducted.

They were not murdered where they were found.
http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/JulieCutler.htm