Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

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I've attached the photo. Westpix have a captioned date of 14 June 2014 and "WA Police forensic officers search roadside bushland outside a quarry on Millar Rd Wellard. Picture by Megan Powell The West Australian 13 June 2014."

What occurred down that way on this date? The WA police forensic officer appears to be looking very closely at something ?
 

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Re the Kyme discussion and attachments. The attachment 2nd from left was incorrectly captioned by the press as being Palmerston Farm (drug rehab centre).
 
No need for that nasty language.

1996 minus 35 years is 1961; so not matter which way you want to TWIST the date you cannot come up an answer to match your theory. The company account online (ASX doc) is as at 30 June 2011 and that details (accurately) the age of 51 so that will take you back to 30 June 1960. Therefore his birthdate is before 30 June 1960. 30 June 1960 + 35 years (so that each possible day is included in the calculations according to your theory) would make it 30 June 1995 is the absolute latest date. The CIA documentary STATED that one of the (current at time in August 2008) persons of interest was 34 when THE CLAREMONT MURDERS occurred which as we all know occurred in 1996 - if you want to be pedantic the murders commenced on 9 June 1996.

There is one point you appear to have missed regarding your comment "You are still 34 years old, right up until the day of your 35th birthday". The online calculator I used, and I posted the screen copy of the calculation, I used 34 years so the online calculator would include ALL days up until the 1st day of the 35th year.

I have always found that people that get abusive when an error is pointed out, do so due to embarrassment. No need to be embarrassed.

What are you talking about ASX docs and 51yo for??

There is one point you appear to have missed...

It was a hypothetical question. I asked you: if a suspect matched in every way, but there was a discrepancy of a few months in age (and the suspect was 34 at the time of the Karrakatta attack) would you discount them?

Simple question.
 
What are you talking about ASX docs and 51yo for??

It was a hypothetical question. I asked you: if a suspect matched in every way, but there was a discrepancy of a few months in age (and the suspect was 34 at the time of the Karrakatta attack) would you discount them?

Simple question.

I am sorry if you're embarrassed by your errors.

It's not a simple question.

The CIA documentary was obviously made from input of the WA Police. In that documentary it WAS stated that one of their persons of interest was 34 years old at the time OF THE CLAREMONT MURDERS. You and your buddies keep on about the man that appeared talking about Jane which you then morph into connecting him due his age that one of your buddies also stated he had gotten from the ASX document. No matter how you attempt to construe or misconstrue the fact is that this man that talked about Jane could not have been 34 at the time of the claremont murders.

it IS that simple. I only make judgements on information that is at hand. I will not make a judgement on a hypothetical. If a suspect matched in every way - tell me how your suspect matches in EVERY way; provide the proof of that. If a person that was being discussed matched in EVERY way, that would mean his age would have to match what is known.

Of course I would discount them because if they were aged 34 at the time of the Rowe Park / Karrakatta attack, their 34th birthday would have to be before that. We would have to know that the CIA documentary information that detailed 34 at the time of the MURDERS was not referring to 9 June 1996, but in fact 27 January 1996.

If the reference was to 27 January 1996 that would mean there were 349 days between 13/2/1995 and 27/1/1996 -- that would leave a possible 16 days for the birthdate. But it still doesn't support the theory of yourself and your buddies.

Let's discuss the sexual deviant mentioned on the CIA documentary as the 2nd person of interest; to see how that pans out.

 
Re the Kyme discussion and attachments. The attachment 2nd from left was incorrectly captioned by the press as being Palmerston Farm (drug rehab centre).

so the press incorrectly labelled a chicken hatchery as a drug rehab centre?
 
I am sorry if you're embarrassed by your errors.

It's not a simple question.

The CIA documentary was obviously made from input of the WA Police. In that documentary it WAS stated that one of their persons of interest was 34 years old at the time OF THE CLAREMONT MURDERS. You and your buddies keep on about the man that appeared talking about Jane which you then morph into connecting him due his age that one of your buddies also stated he had gotten from the ASX document. No matter how you attempt to construe or misconstrue the fact is that this man that talked about Jane could not have been 34 at the time of the claremont murders.

it IS that simple. I only make judgements on information that is at hand. I will not make a judgement on a hypothetical. If a suspect matched in every way - tell me how your suspect matches in EVERY way; provide the proof of that. If a person that was being discussed matched in EVERY way, that would mean his age would have to match what is known.

Of course I would discount them because if they were aged 34 at the time of the Rowe Park / Karrakatta attack, their 34th birthday would have to be before that. We would have to know that the CIA documentary information that detailed 34 at the time of the MURDERS was not referring to 9 June 1996, but in fact 27 January 1996.

If the reference was to 27 January 1996 that would mean there were 349 days between 13/2/1995 and 27/1/1996 -- that would leave a possible 16 days for the birthdate. But it still doesn't support the theory of yourself and your buddies.

Let's discuss the sexual deviant mentioned on the CIA documentary as the 2nd person of interest; to see how that pans out.



This is all you needed to say then: "I only make judgements on information that is at hand. I will not make a judgement on a hypothetical."

I should have known nothing is simple for you though.

Of course the documentary was made with input from Police. But its intentions were to monitor the reactions from one of their suspects, rather than garner information from the public, something you fail to realise. Why do you think there was no mention of the Commodore? You know, this one.. (the first time anyone ever heard about it, 2008, a few months before the doco aired)

"Murder suspect drove Holden wagon
A young man warned murder victim Ciara Glennon not to get into a white Holden station wagon the night she disappeared from Claremont.
The man and two others waiting at a bus stop near Christ Church on Stirling Highway saw her talking to the occupants of the car.
She had her knees bent and the palms of her hands resting on her knees to bring her down to the car's passenger window level.
One of the men called out to her that she was stupid to hitch-hike.
Ms Glennon looked up and waved him off with a middle finger sign, and continued talking to the car occupants.
The young men at the bus-stop looked away. When they looked back, both Ms Glennon and the car had disappeared."

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20080830/news/001.shtml

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30275574/claremont-serial-killing-clues-revealed-report/
The last sighting of Ms Glennon was by three men who saw her talking to someone in a white Holden VS Commodore station wagon.
(Now confirmed for real).


Why do you think they only mentioned two men still being investigated towards the end of the doco? Why not give out information on all of them? Why give out any at all?

The info given out was designed for the POI's to hear, not for you.

There was no information given out on bags/clothes/missing jewellery of victims, things for people to look for.

Why do you think the Spiers family is happy with the job the police are doing, even after the bungled 12 year delay of MM footage? I'll answer for you. Because he doesn't matter. He wasn't wearing a wig, not left handed, nor wearing a shirt underneath with a soccer ball on it. Paul Ferguson doesn't even give two hoots whether he was identified or not, that's how irrelevant he is. The footage was cut up so you wouldn't see his face.

For all we know the pervert doesn't even exist. Could you think of a more far fetched suspect? A sexual pervert, driving around with a rifle, who is familiar with the bush tracks where CG was found? Why not give out his age too? He certainly sounds like the guy. It's mind boggling that it is not this man.

All I am trying to say is - you are basing your judgements on a TV show that was not designed for supersleuths (such as yourself).

You really think Jim Stanbury was expecting a call from the driver/s of two cars, 12 years later? If he was, perhaps that was why he was moved on. Doubt it though.

I am not discussing this with any buddies, nor keeping on about any man, I have no clue who the martial arts practitioner is. I simply think it is an unfortunate coincidence that after all this effort that went into a documentary, one that actually had input from the police (the only one), they ended up interviewing someone who could be confused with one of the POI's.

Laters Papertrail, good luck finding your sexual pervert.

P.s. Pervert is the term used, not deviant. Same as practitioner was the term used, not expert. Remember?
 
Have you been to Palmerston farm? How do you know the photo is incorrectly labelled?
Couldnt the chicken hatchery be part of palmerston farm?, or just in the neighboring property, as it was in the background of the photo.

thanks for those interesting articles and pics papertrail.
 
Billy whizz I don`t have the time to look for hydragenas on the left side of a Federation House in Claremont & surrounds. I`ve had 2 decades of health woes that are getting way worse these days. Now that farm along Millar rd with the old stone building & windmill. Well that has spooked me for many years. Don`t know why. Probably amounts to nothing. It is common for the SCS to change the boss from time to time. Tis quite normal.
 
Parkie why can't you look on google street view? If you have time read and comment on here frequently...
 
Nice post Billywhizz, that is exactly my opinion on the CIA doco also, it was made to help investigate and not as a method of collecting info (although this is a bonus side effect) and what better way to monitor the reaction of a POI than to have them star in the doco almost guaranteeing that they will watch it.

The age of JM being the martial arts practitioner doesn't add up based on 1 sentence in the doco, with a discrepancy of either days, weeks, or months to whom we suspect it is and aside from that, everything else is much to coincidental to rule anyone out. Both engaged in martial arts, both local to the area, both born to English parents e.t.c there is still more pointing to it being him than there is pointing away from him.

I wonder if it would be worth cat fishing on FB in an attempt to see what cars someone had when they were younger (in a sneaky subtle way of course).

I also notice JM has no relationship status or pics at all of him with a partner.... it is all him and judo, mostly male friends and his students, one or two females pose with him but no body langauge shown to suggest they are 'with' him, browsing through his FB page there is nothing to suggest he had a partner for years and years before I gave up and there is nothing anywhere else in google to suggest he had one either. I know being single doesn't make you a serial killer lol, but I'd have expected a 55/56 y/o to have at least some significant relationship.
 
I am glad to be back. IMO:

Martial arts practitioner - yes
Well-educated - yes
Wealthy family- yes
English family - yes
Once met Jane Rimmer - yes
Lived not far from Claremont at time of murders - yes
Worked closely with Sarah Spiers - undetermined
Lived alone at time of murders - undetermined
34-years-old at time of murders - probably 35 or 36

Close enough for me. All IMO, of course.
 
Last week I discussed the 2008 CIA doco with a contact of mine and was informed that the one and only reason it was aired was to get POI's talking that were being monitored with listening devices. MM was just shown to throw them off the scent, so they generate discussion.

Thanks for posting this info. It explains why MM footage was not shown to the Rimmer family until 2008, why Paul Ferguson 'couldn't recall' if MM had ever been identified, and why Bret Christian is uninterested in the additional frame.

Did your contact indicate whether the POI's mentioned on the show were amongst those being monitored?
 
So Tony Taxi would of had a very strong case...

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Snipped. Bit O/T, but can't find him any longer.

Also, Terence McLernon the author and prolific tweeter has been suspended from Twitter.
 
Ok so Judoman who we think is the Martial Arts Practitioner is only 3rd dan, which to be honest doesnt seem that high considering. If it take around 3-4 years to become black belt. Becoming a Black belt automatically makes you 1st dan. So if it takes another 2 years to go to 2nd dan and a further 3-4 to make 3rd dan then he should be alot more advanced in Judo than 3rd dan black belt, unless he started martial arts AFTER killing the Claremont girls.

So if he took about 10 years to make 3rd dan Black belt in Judo then he must have started practicing judo just prior to the CIA doco. Which means he probably started Judo around 2004, was a black belt in 2008, made 3rd dan around 2014 and is waiting to make 4th dan and probably still has a few more years to go...

If he started practicing Judo around 2000 then he should be nearing 4th dan at the absolute most. He seems well and truely into the sport and doesnt seem like the type to wait around for his next belt so i would imagine he is doing this as quickly as possible

Did he start Judo/martial arts to discipline himself from killing again after murdering his victims? Or does anyone know if he practiced Judo during the Claremont rape and/or killings?
 
If Judoman did not practice Judo during the Claremont killings and rape then it seems one hell of a sport to conveniently take up in your later life. I wonder if one of the girls put up one hell of a fight (maybe it was someone after the CSK killings that we dont know of), which scared the day lights out of him, The Claremont killer found comfort in the discipline of Martial Arts and also the ability to easily subdue any future potential victima
 
Someone has told me in PM that you cannot see Garden Island at all so I want to know how Parkie knows that. Interesting to me is that you're answering all the questions for Parkie today lol. Also the 'federation house' how did Parkie know it was a federation house ?

Because he probably is the Claremont ghost, he fits the profile, also knows a fair bit about VPN's, not sure why he claims to be a CSK expert though when he fits the stereotype of a loon trying desperatly to connect himself to the case for the infamy he feels from all of this.

He is Dr and has left a papertrail all over the net, plus the Claremont ghost stuff popped up when he popped up. Around the same time, I remember watching the Claremont ghost vids and thinking rubbish, think i made it through about 2 vids and skipped a few more and watched something meaningful instead.
 
Ok so Judoman who we think is the Martial Arts Practitioner is only 3rd dan, which to be honest doesnt seem that high considering. If it take around 3-4 years to become black belt. Becoming a Black belt automatically makes you 1st dan. So if it takes another 2 years to go to 2nd dan and a further 3-4 to make 3rd dan then he should be alot more advanced in Judo than 3rd dan black belt, unless he started martial arts AFTER killing the Claremont girls.

So if he took about 10 years to make 3rd dan Black belt in Judo then he must have started practicing judo just prior to the CIA doco. Which means he probably started Judo around 2004, was a black belt in 2008, made 3rd dan around 2014 and is waiting to make 4th dan and probably still has a few more years to go...

If he started practicing Judo around 2000 then he should be nearing 4th dan at the absolute most. He seems well and truely into the sport and doesnt seem like the type to wait around for his next belt so i would imagine he is doing this as quickly as possible

Did he start Judo/martial arts to discipline himself from killing again after murdering his victims? Or does anyone know if he practiced Judo during the Claremont rape and/or killings?

A little look at the news articles on his Facebook page states he was well into it at age 22.


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Read the articles I refer to and you will see that he was due to serve 7 years with no parole period.....simple as that.

This Parole Information Kit gives the absolute and complete description of sentencing and parole.

The judge in the Morey (armed robbery case) ordered NO PAROLE and & 7 FULL YEARS TO BE SERVED. This NO PAROLE order is detailed in the SUPREME COURT TRANSCRIPT.
http://www.legalaid.wa.gov.au/InformationAboutTheLaw/crime/Documents/Parole Information Kit.pdf
Rubbish. Prove he was incarcerated. You are yet to provide any evidence.

Also tell me when he was locked up as this is time served whilst awaiting his trial and sentencing.

Anyways the conversations is about the Martial Arts practicioner now so we will discuss him as he is very interesting.

You are not the martial arts practicioner, are you?

There, I asked the question everyone was dying to ask!
 
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