Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

[JMC44]

Macro allegedly recovered a DNA profile in 2008. The same year they <modsnip>

The timing adds up; Get DNA, compare to existing suspects, rule them all out, scratch heads, check case notes, come up with new suspects <modsnip> and put together a public campaign in form of CIA episode.

But as you say he likely would have had to provide DNA (WA Police can enforce it from anyone they suspect of committing a serious crime). He told should have been ruled out. So why Macro so quiet for 7 years? And who's on their current suspect list?

Say this isn't a coincidence. Could the DNA profile and <modsnip> be linked, without Macro having enough to effect an arrest. In other words, could they have found a vague match (or a close match) but not enough to arrest, or is a vague DNA match enough etc. I don't know how this works.

 

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Say this isn't a coincidence. Could the DNA profile and be linked, without Macro having enough to effect an arrest. In other words, could they have found a vague match (or a close match) but not enough to arrest, or is a vague DNA match enough etc. I don't know how this works.

I very much doubt you would be able to even charge anyone with a partial profile. If thats all they managed to obtain from the CSK case. It narrows down the field considerably but does not guarantee a suspect, you wouldnt be able to use familial DNA either. Its more like a partial profile matched Karrakatta and that DNA is being used.

There was a really interesting article that suggested they may have been trying to work on a partial profile and obtain more matching markers to further ensure their partial profile provided a more solid match by using an LCN specialist. Infact they used the very best expert in LCN available from Britain to try and further enhance the DNA by the looks of it:

According to the Post report, detectives have made numerous trips to the UK to liaise with forensic scientists there, including DNA expert Dr Jonathan Whitaker. Dr Whitaker has reportedly visited Perth to work on the case. He is a pioneer of LCN (Low Copy Number), the most sensitive DNA testing yet developed.

So either they are working on obtanining other partial profiles or they are trying to enhance the CSK partial profile to further match the Karrakatta profile

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...3388ff089c816855b8631062f#load-story-comments

 

[Parkie]

Good point about JM.

As a POI, he's never really been discussed much in the media or on these forums.

I'd like to know more about him if anyone knows info?

88MPH, I was told he (judo) was counted out as a poi for the csk. Along with all the others. See I knew/err figured this before we knew about the DNA bet CG & Karrakatta & couldn`t figure out why. Till now. Now I know.
Just wondering if SS is in Swan View or Parkerville. Have been for ages trying to tune into these 2 suburbs to feel what`s the go.

 

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I transcribed the below quote from CIA: Hunt for a Killer – The Claremont Murders - (starting at 47:50) https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c

Hoping to catch the killer, Macro conducted saturation undercover surveillance of the general Claremont area. They also used the police air wing and installed covert surveillance cameras on the streets. This resulted in the identification of men who followed women along the street and a number of rogue taxi drivers. Along with scores of other persons of interest they are thoroughly investigated and all but a few are eliminated.

Among those still being examined are two men who can provide no alibis for the times the three victims went missing.

One was a known sexual pervert who had a semi automatic rifle and ammunition concealed under the front seat of his car. Ciara's body is believed to have been abandoned in bushland on the night she was killed and this man knew the area so well he could easily find his way along it's bush tracks at night.

Another of those still being investigated is a well educated, martial arts practitioner from a wealthy English family who worked closely with Sarah Spiers and had once met Jane Rimmer. He was thirty four at the time of the murders and lived alone not far from Claremont. During his police interviews he told a series of blatant lies, playing down his close working relationship with Sarah and giving false alibis for the times Jane and Ciara went missing. His polygraph test results have proved inconclusive.

As yet, there is insufficient evidence to link either of these men or the other persons of interest to the murders.

 

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Only a POI on websleuths as far as I am aware


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It's been attempted on here numerous times but LW band-wagoners prefer to only talk about LW
There is also a lack of information on the net to be able to discuss him. I have wanted a proper discussion on Judoman for a while now.

There really isnt any information. It is now assumed Judoman is the Martial Arts Expert from a wealthy family. I cant remember what other information they said but it was suggested somewhere officially that he had stalked woman, or had been observed stalking woman in the Claremont area. Judoman is most definitely physically capable of pulling off a blitz attack, especially if two of them let their guard down because they briefly knew him.

Unfortunately thats about all we know. Has anyone confirmed Judoman's parents are from England, and that they are wealthy? Other than that we know nothing more, Judoman was ruled in through a foxtel show in 2008 on the Crime Investigation Australia channel and then never again, then in 2015 we had highate man come onto the radar through channel 7 sunday night. This was a high profile screening on free to air so would have had more exposure.

We dont know if highgate man in the sexual predator with a gun under the seat who was also suggested in the 2008 documentary on foxtel

 

[Sutton]

This was discussed only a few pages back;

The unofficial POI are:
The Martial Arts Expert- suspected to be Judoman-2008
The sexual pervert-2008
Highgate man- who Con Bayens suspected-2015

What is not clear is whether highgate man and the sexual pervert are the same.

I was unable to find that discussion. I located your duplicate post, but no actual discussion. Thank you for reminding us you posted the same thing on post 189.

The designation 'unofficial' is incorrect. The media announced a martial arts expert and a sexual pervert as suspects. Until there is a media declaration that either of them have been cleared, then they are official suspects.

An unofficial suspect that wasn't on your list is TT.

 

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88MPH, I was told he (judo) was counted out as a poi for the csk. Along with all the others. See I knew/err figured this before we knew about the DNA bet CG & Karrakatta & couldn`t figure out why. Till now. Now I know.
Just wondering if SS is in Swan View or Parkerville. Have been for ages trying to tune into these 2 suburbs to feel what`s the go.

Why do you make so much of this up?

If Sarah Spiers is really in water then why not the lakes even further south near Mandurah just near lakes road on the freeway? Thats similar to the spectacles or the mundairing wier in terms of being well out of sight, and also it happens to be about the same distance as the drop in Eglinton so probably is a much better match. That would be my bet, espeically if we are insisting he went south twice, the first obviously the furtherest, and also its water like you seem to obsessively suggest.

Can you post this great big write up about your self, it may shed some light into your mind.

 

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I was unable to find that discussion. I located your duplicate post, but no actual discussion. Thank you for reminding us you posted the same thing on post 189.

The designation 'unofficial' is incorrect. The media announced a martial arts expert and a sexual pervert as suspects. Until there is a media declaration that either of them have been cleared, then they are official suspects.

An unofficial suspect that wasn't on your list is TT.

Because they have never been confirmed by Police, hence not 'official' the others are declared by the media. Thus they are still POI but not official.

Only Lance Williams, Peter Weygers, Paul Clare, Steven Ross and mark Dixie were official. The Police declared each one as having being investigated.

Unofficial POI are the Martial Arts Expert, The sexual predator, and highgate man, all declared by the media.

The others, Taxi Tony, or the mad doctor are all POI that have little to no relevance or actual proof, are not suggested by the media as ever being a Police suspect, so are just rumours. The media has suggested that each of the unofficial POI are being investigated however so they have merit.

 

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And i am in no way suggesting one of the irrelevent POI could not possibly turn out to be the CSK if thats what you are thinking, just that they are not a media source.

 

[Sutton]

Because they have never been confirmed by Police, hence not 'official' the others are declared by the media. Thus they are still POI but not official.

Only Lance Williams, Peter Weygers, Paul Clare, Steven Ross and mark Dixie were official. The Police declared each one as having being investigated.

Unofficial POI are the Martial Arts Expert, The sexual predator, and highgate man, all declared by the media.

The others, Taxi Tony, or the mad doctor are all POI that have little to no relevance or actual proof, are not suggested by the media as ever being a Police suspect, so are just rumours. The media has suggested that each of the unofficial POI are being investigated however so they have merit.

The suspects were in the CIA episode which was endorsed by police. Police were all over that episode. That's what it was--a police announcement. They gave the network the video, let them in the headquarters, spoke throughout the show, supplied the information.

They are official suspects, IMO.

Please provide links where police said Mark Dixie and Paul Clare were suspects, were investigated and were cleared. You change wording to fit your theories. You've done this many times. So just post some links that's say SUSPECTS and INVESTIGATED in relation to these two. Thanks!

 

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The problem with the Martial Arts Expert who many here suspect is Judoman without any real proof (Although it is likely given he did appear on the documentary). No one has determined all three things that were suggested on the 2008 documentary which was the only ever mention of this POI:
-He was a Martial Arts Expert
-He came from a wealthy Family
-He came from an 'English' Family

We can determine that Judoman is a Martial Arts Expert for the UWA Judo club, He is third dan from memory which makes him an 'Expert' in the martial arts world.

No one can say whether he comes from a wealthy family

No one can say whether he comes from an English family

So we only have the Martial Arts to go by and to take it Judoman is in fact that Martial Arts Expert refereed to in the 2008 Documentary. He has never been referred to since.

Judoman has made 'Claremont' references on his facebook so he definitely seems to be playing up the Claremont CSK link somewhat.

 

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What is interesting about the sexual predator is that he had an gun under his seat. We cannot determine if the POI put forward in 2015 by Con Bayens is the same guy suggested 'officially' (according to some) by Police as being a suspect in 2008 in the CIA documentary. What we do know is that a lot of links suggest someone could have been impersonating a Police Officer during the CSK events. When Bayens put forward his POI he did mention that he caught this man in highgate in a vehicle similar to a Police undercover vehicle, who he originally thought it was, until he realized a prostitute entered the vehicle and it was in fact a potential POI after pulling the man over with a plastic lined boot, rope and tape.

When you go to google books and do a search for Con Bayens (Originally posted here on one of the older threads by another poster) he brings up this in a book titled 'Perth' By David Whish-Wilson In this book he mentions the following after touching on the Claremont murders:

"But there is one story that is most chilling of all, as described by Con Bayens, who headed up Operation Bounty in 2000. The police operation was designed to clear street-walkers and kerbcrawlers out of Northbridge and Highgate, and it documented roughly 200 men a night being serviced by 350 prostitutes in the area. At one point Bayens, on patrol, saw a car that resembled an unmarked police service Holden parked in a side street. Assuming that the car was part of a drug squad operation, he acted only when he saw a sex worker enter the Holden. The driver was tall and impressive, and carried himself with the authority of a policeman, except that he was a civilian, who'd done a taxi-driver training course. In the boot of the man's car, Bayens found a kit consisting of 'zip ties, a balaclava, gaffer tape and scissors'- worst of all,'the boot was fully lined with plastic, top and bottom'. But the man couldn't be charged with anything and was let go. And nor was he thought significant to the ongoing investigation of the Claremont Killings, then focussed on another individual. Which means that he is probably still out there on Perth's Streets, driving around the quiet suburbs once darkness falls"

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=con bayens&f=false

 

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What type of gun did Morey (Donald Victor Matusevich) use in his Armed robbery?

I am wondering if it was an semi automatic rifle? It might not mean much but i'm sure it would be hard enough to get access to a gun unless you made a genuine attempt to, and even harder to obtain a semi automatic rifle, couldjust increase the likelihood the Sexual predator is Donald Victor Morey/ Donald Victor Matusevich.

He was in prison and was involved in an axe murder in 1975 and was let off on appeal. He seems to follow murder around like the grim reaper.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=P5IDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3838,5604554&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=YJIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1893,3347410&hl=en

 

[Parkie]

Why do you make so much of this up?

If Sarah Spiers is really in water then why not the lakes even further south near Mandurah just near lakes road on the freeway? Thats similar to the spectacles or the mundairing wier in terms of being well out of sight, and also it happens to be about the same distance as the drop in Eglinton so probably is a much better match. That would be my bet, espeically if we are insisting he went south twice, the first obviously the furtherest, and also its water like you seem to obsessively suggest.

Can you post this great big write up about your self, it may shed some light into your mind.

Jam it Elastic. Your posts are all over the show. I said she would not be buried, unless in water. That`s it, full stop. Droc mentioned Beelair lakes & others. Stop making something out of a simple comment. Drip.

 

[Parkie]

Matusevich/morey. Plus the guy with boot lined boot... everyone you can think of Elastic have been discounted for being the csk due to DNA. Do I need to retype this.

 

[Parkie]

Judo man is discounted too Elastic.. So where does this leave the cops? Back at the start......aka mid 1996. Right at the time of cctv footage. Ok 1997..

 

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Jam it Elastic. Your posts are all over the show. I said she would not be buried, unless in water. That`s it, full stop. Droc mentioned Beelair lakes & others. Stop making something out of a simple comment. Drip.

My posts are well in order, atleast they are not rambling drunken gibberish. Anyways i dont beleive you wrote a long winded post that got deleted. If you did surely you could take 20min to sit down and rewrite. I am still interested as to why you play up to the Claremont/ Sarah MacMahon connections when you arent really involved.

 

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Judo man is discounted too Elastic.. So where does this leave the cops? Back at the start......aka mid 1996.

Why arent the media declaring this? They were the ones that announced these new POI's to begin with in 2008 and 2015.

You would thing they would be honourable enough to rule them out seeing there names are more or less mud now.

 

[Sutton]

Parkie

I believe that police told you Judo was not a suspect.

But I don't know that they are telling you the truth. I still consider him a suspect.

Still open to other suggestions, though.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

Matusevich/morey. Plus the guy with boot lined boot... everyone you can think of Elastic have been discounted for being the csk due to DNA. Do I need to retype this.

Parkie, did the police tell you these people were eliminated on the basis of DNA?
If not, did they tell you on 'what' basis they were eliminated?
And lastly, when were you told they were eliminated? (how recently)