Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

[Bartholemeus]

Judo Man (JM) and the officially named suspect who practiced martial arts please provide proof that the person you are referring to has been officially named as a SUSPECT who practiced martial arts as you have stated. There are 1000s of males who practise martial arts who may have been 34yo in 1996. Please stop your unfounded inferences.


I'm not saying JM is the suspect YES YOU DID AND ARE

Can I ask why you have a massive problem every time someone suggests that the guy on the CIA episode (Stockley Davis) might be a POI?

 

[papertrail]

Karra victim was completely naked. JR was completely naked. I've always assumed the blitz attack rapist takes some clothing off but in haste leaves some on. Any rapists who's going to fully undress his victims is calm and measured and it shows a sense of planning.

The Karra wasn't a jump out of the bushes and have his way with the victim on location. It was a "I need more privacy so I can take my time about it" type scenario. It amazes me that early in the piece they weren't red hot on this connection.




Ok. So Karra rapist is out and about on a Friday night, CG meets him (either for first time or already knows him) and they have sex (Conti toilets? Coles car park?) then later on a different rapist who also happens to be a murderer, abducts CG and murders her? Sounds completely legit.

There was no taxi rank outside CBV. At 12am, CBV would have just been starting to fill. Very little demand for taxis. That's why she would have chosen to walk straight down BVT to the HWY rather than take the short cut through HJ's car park.

Newspaper reports stated there was a taxi rank installed outside Club Bayview after JR's disappearance.

There is NO legit information out there that states CG was raped.

 

[papertrail]

Can I ask why you have a massive problem every time someone suggests that the guy on the CIA episode (Stockley Davis) might be a POI?

Because it is pure and utter bloody speculation and defamation that is why. Secondly the original poster of the article I replied to stated JM was a SUSPECT. There is a world of difference between and NAMED suspect and a POI. We have been through this countless times. The police advised on the CIA documentary that the MARTIAL ARTS EXPERT worked with Sarah Spiers. There is no evidence this man worked with Sarah Spiers. There are thousands of people that practise martial arts and Judo is only one discipline of martial arts. GET IT ! The person whose name you have now defamed by detailing it here, was also not 34yo in 1996.

 

[Bartholemeus]

I have provided numerous newspaper articles that link to the information I provide

Among other things, you claimed you grew up locally. This is simply not true. I had to pull you on about 10 different fibs. A wiser person would just keep quiet about the whole thing.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Because it is pure and utter bloody speculation and defamation that is why. Secondly the original poster of the article I replied to stated JM was a SUSPECT. There is a world of difference between and NAMED suspect and a POI. We have been through this countless times. The police advised on the CIA documentary that the MARTIAL ARTS EXPERT worked with Sarah Spiers. There is no evidence this man worked with Sarah Spiers. There are thousands of people that practise martial arts and Judo is only one discipline of martial arts. GET IT ! The person whose name you have now defamed by detailing it here, was also not 34yo in 1996.

Wasn't it you that posted Donald Morey's wife's name?

Why are you happy to do that but every time someone mentions Judo you try to shut it down?

 

[papertrail]

It certainly does tell us a lot about who it may be, and who it may not be. I have have sent the other aspects to police.
Nope, he hasn't used a ruler. More than attribute suggests not using a ruler, as in I don't think the UBD for a start supplies the coordinates for GPO centralisation.

A classic example is, I can tell you it is not David Birnie because he would as a POI, not have the skills used to do this.
I can tell you that this is more than likely not a military guy, well, a Navy guy.

anybody with map reading vs compass reading is my view.

 

[papertrail]

Wasn't it you that posted Donald Morey's wife's name?

Why are you happy to do that but every time someone mentions Judo you try to shut it down?

I posted her name in connection with Donald Morey as her name is detailed in TWO COURT transcripts relating to totally different matters but connected to him. BTW she is NOT his wife. I did not post anything that suggested she was a SUSPECT or POI in a serial killing. There is one hell of a difference to what is occurring on WS with regard to this person you have now named.

I am not 'trying to shutdown anything' I am putting out my point of view and will never participate in a discussion that openly defames someone. Congratulations to you!

 

[Bartholemeus]

Both Woolcoot and Pipidinny Roads were unsealed. Check the numerous images that are used in the CIA doc and the ABC's docs.

Pippidinny Rd was sealed in 1996.

 

[Mel 1303]

Or the person that penned the article "Honouring Survival" has made a misinterpretation of information

Absolutely, there is always the chance that information is misinterpreted when it is being recounted by someone other than the original source. However, it is pretty specific. They watched the film. They saw Jane inside and outside the pub. She described the three minute cycle. The paper was published in 2000. The vision released publicly in 2008, and the sunday night program aired in 2015.

"Honoring survival" used the survivors own words- transcribed from a recording. While there would no doubt have been editing to remove words, I dont believe that the author has added any. I am confident that the paragraph describing JR's sister watching the surveillance tape is how her sister described it. Obviously, that is only my opinion.

 

[papertrail]

Pippidinny Rd was sealed in 1996.

Pipidinny road was NOT sealed in 1996. It was unsealed at the time CG was located and that was in 1997. You're slipping today. Spelling things the same as your mate lol

 

[Bartholemeus]

Pipidinny road was NOT sealed in 1996. It was unsealed at the time CG was located and that was in 1997. You're slipping today. Spelling things the same as your mate lol

 

[Bartholemeus]

Regarding a potential blitz attack on CG;



The med centre car park is the perfect spot to park his car and the bushes is the perfect spot to lie in wait.

Conversely, if she was picked up the CSK could have waited in his car in Freshwater and as soon as she walked past he could have driven onto the HWY and pulled over.

 

[papertrail]

look at the aerial shots of the CG site that are included in the CIA doco - bamb bamb bamb

 

[Bartholemeus]

look at the aerial shots of the CG site that are included in the CIA doco - bamb bamb bamb

That's the dirt track that comes off Pippidinny Rd.

You're trollin' right?

 

[CSK?]

So of all the complete <modsnip> made by WAPOL and MACRO we take it on their word that they got it right in regards to the 'martial arts practitioners' age at the time of the murders.

I appreciate and respect most of what you offer here as I am sure most do but it really does annoy me that you are willing to discuss some crazy idea's, you have thrown out a couple of extremely unlikely scenario's (as well as well theorized ones) but are dead set again any discussion of JM whatsoever. Just because he is mentioned in a discussion does not make him a suspect or a POI, the subject can be discussed without him being defamed.

Just completely ignoring the fact he is the closest in regards to fitting the 'MAP' profile that we have come up with (only minor error being a discrepancy in age) is as irresponsible as MACRO were in their initial investigations of this crime. The only reason I can come up with being so anti JM is that you in some way or another have a personal connection to him, why else would everyone else be fair game except for him? and it's not as simply as you not taking part in the discussion you blatantly insist no one else takes part also.

It is very possible the minor difference in age boils down to a simple mistake, we have not uncovered proof that SD worked with SS but there is also nothing to suggest he didn't. There may be many people practicing martial arts in Perth at the time but when you factor in approximate age, English background, wealthy family, familiar with the area e.t.c well I assure you that list gets a whole lot smaller.

 

[billywhizz]

look at the aerial shots of the CG site that are included in the CIA doco - bamb bamb bamb

so Landgate is innacurate then?

the site you've been using all throughout the thread as definite proof and recommending to us so often it seems as if you get a commission from each person who signs up?

 

[enzeder]

Pipidinny road was NOT sealed in 1996. It was unsealed at the time CG was located and that was in 1997. You're slipping today. Spelling things the same as your mate lol

BBM^ Sure looks like the road is sealed to me. (square added by me to show area where CG was located)

Screen shot from video at link

9 News Perth: 15 October 2015 https://www.facebook.com/9NewsPerth/videos/1112561422089350/

 

[papertrail]

that's the dirt track that comes off pippidinny rd.

You're trollin' right?

pipidinny

 

[billywhizz]

pipidinny

sealed road

 

[billywhizz]

Regarding a potential blitz attack on CG;

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The med centre car park is the perfect spot to park his car and the bushes is the perfect spot to lie in wait.

Conversely, if she was picked up the CSK could have waited in his car in Freshwater and as soon as she walked past he could have driven onto the HWY and pulled over.

what are chances SS was blitz attacked as soon as she hung up the phone?


a three minute window in order to cross the road and stand in the wrong spot to be picked up for the direction she wanted to travel, get spotted by the only witnesses and also abducted is a bit unlikely.


could the witnesses in the car have seen her waiting at the lights before she had crossed the road to use the phonebox? the car park with the dark tunnel next to the phone box behind the real estate agents is perfect for blitz attack. CG could have gone to use the phonebox as well and been done the same way. if she crossed road to use phonebox the drunk guys would not have seen her as they were looking on the wrong side of the road.

it's a bit hard to tell because the info only came out 12 years later.


i have also never heard of a taxi in Perth arriving within three minutes of being ordered, especially on Australia Day.