Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #9 *ARREST

[dilettante]

any news on the potential ACR link?

 

[SN76]

I have a few thoughts - all 'MOO', 'IMHO', etc., of course:

* I just don't think he could've worked alone. I'm curious about the story of a woman escaping a taxi in which there were two people present which had an agenda for her (off to research). As well as the logistics of hiding a body, being on the lookout for passing cars, etc., that is one hell of a secret to harbour for all of these years. Could someone carry on about life knowing that they'd committed such heinous crimes? If he had worked alone, wouldn't he have felt tempted to tell someone, just one person, to alleviate the burden?

I wonder the same thing.....

Has this been connected? Same time frame/area/era.....from memory, this preceeded Karrakatta crime?

Can the victim identify BE?

IF it CAN be connected to BE, obviously an accomplice was involved in this instance...

I believe someone knows more...about this, and about the whole case.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I have a few thoughts - all 'MOO', 'IMHO', etc., of course:

* I just don't think he could've worked alone. I'm curious about the story of a woman escaping a taxi in which there were two people present which had an agenda for her (off to research). As well as the logistics of hiding a body, being on the lookout for passing cars, etc., that is one hell of a secret to harbour for all of these years. Could someone carry on about life knowing that they'd committed such heinous crimes? If he had worked alone, wouldn't he have felt tempted to tell someone, just one person, to alleviate the burden?

* What if he is genuinely mentally ill? He could well be schizophrenic - the voices told him to do it? And maybe he self-cured himself of it? Is that even possible? Well, according to quick Google search it is.

* What if he isn't mentally ill and pleads that way - he'll get to go off to some cushy psychiatric hospital for the rest of his days while those poor women and their friends and family continue to suffer.

There is no burden to share because he has no guilt or remorse, serial killers aren't wired like a normal person. He can't plead mental illness because he hid his crimes, he didn't have a psychotic episode, lashed out and killed someone. BE absolutely knows right from wrong, he's a risk taker and has no regard for human life except for his own. If he sheds tears, it's for himself.
Serial killers/rapists share many of the same characteristics even though they think they're 'unique' in their grandiose and deluded thinking. JMO

 

[JBA512]

New article today.
interesting to note dob as Dec 68 and started work at Telstra in 86.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...s/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787

Seems like quite a lot of the article was sourced from here.
Good to read all the info in an organized way


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[Reality]

Any theories on the origins of this?


90% of aussie guy nicknames are surname related so it obviosuly refers to something else either an incident, a play on his name or to do with his personality.


Knowing how aussie guys give nicknames I am thinking it is more to do with the word 'bog'

My gut feeling (and based on one of the comments on the Gosnells reunion Facebook page) is that he was probably bullied a bit at school. When I was at school in the 80s calling someone a "bog" was slightly derogatory. It was possibly a shortening of "bogan", but had a slightly different meaning; it referred to a person who was into heavy metal music and dressed in black. I can remember kids at school being called "bogs" and it wasn't intended to be complimentary.


It's possible he was bullied and eventually just tried to "own" that identity by running with it as a nickname.

 

[JBA512]

No it wont. But it may provide insight to his personality.

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I tend to agree
If the nickname did mean bog either smelled like or had an accident one day then it's likely he was bullied/picked on about it.


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[rhythymz]

.....prior to kewdale lets say he was still at home with parents.

Correct, but not during CSK

 

[Elyce]

Seems like quite a lot of the article was sourced from here.
Good to read all the info in an organized way


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Exactly what I was thinking - this forum made that article very easy to compile for the journalist hahah

 

[mandy.maree]

I tend to agree
If the nickname did mean bog either smelled like or had an accident one day then it's likely he was bullied/picked on about it.


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I dont doubt he was picked on. Most of us were at some point in HS.
Probably liked his computers and gaming etc back then also which maybe wouldnt have helped
I do believe the nickname is related to his love of alcohol though from how it is spelt(bogg as opposed to bog)
Probably needed the alcohol to be more social and around people
I doubt it would be in yearbook would it if it were something too offensive?
Plus honestly, when i hear Hasselhoff these days I think about him drunk and slurring in that video from a while ago

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[msvinova]

I grew up in Perth before moving to Melbourne a few years ago. This case has always haunted me.

I worked for a company by the name of Millers Tyre Service in Rockingham during the time that the girls went missing. Days after Ciara Glennon was found, the Manager of our company received a phone call from the police asking about a certain tread pattern that we used on our tyres. A fax was sent through with some pictures of tread marks in wet sand and they wanted to know if we could try and match it, which we did. My boss ended up running a tyre though some kind of black substance and rolling it across an A4 piece of paper, which we in turn faxed back to the police.

I have no idea if this was related to the case or not, but in the 5 odd years that I worked there, we had never been asked to do anything like this. I recall at the time that there had been some significant rain between the time Ciara went missing and when her body was found. I was surprised there would be any tread marks for them to work off or capture as evidence.

I thought I would mention this, as Millers Tyre Service ONLY dealt with retread tyres. Maybe someone can verify if Telstra vehicles used retreads back in the day.

 

[stalker9]

Correct, but not during CSK

Why do you say that..? He was registered at the Huntingdale address for the entire period 1988 - 99. That's not to say that he didn't rent elsewhere and fail to update his address. But we have no evidence to show that he wasn't living there - I'm sure the police will be looking into all that.

Madora bay was purchased by his folks in the 1990s while they were still registered at the huntingdale address, so it was likely a holiday home..
*edit* - Madora Bay was actually purchased in 1988. Definitely a holiday home.
*second edit* Maybe the folks spent a lot of time down in Madora Bay from June 1988..? When in 1988 was the Huntingdale attack?

 

[Eph513]

Some searching on the username Boggsy below for reference. May be something in them, maybe not. I find the Palladium (Role Playing Game Publisher) forum posts interesting. The Palladium Books were first published in 1981.
Some of the forums may require you to register.

http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=118914
http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=114200
http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=114061
http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=118157
http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=118282
http://www.palladiumbooks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=118727

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/profile/85395-boggsy-cyvasse/

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/profile/85395-boggsy-cyvasse/&do=content&change_section=1

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/profile/11530-boggsy/content/

http://www.hsvforum.com.au/member.php?28944-Boggsy

http://au.lexusownersclub.com/forum...g-red-hot-catalytic-converters/#comment-42686

http://rrgamcare-web01.rs.rroom.net/user/160102

https://forum.supercell.com/showthread.php/818408-Phoenix-Rising-Currently-Recruiting!

http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?p=8699&sid=c599d3fca2479acfd9829b6120297602

http://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/search.php?searchid=6788929

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1908143

http://hdforums.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=71&view=topic&postid=596233&forumid=9

http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum...ure-23-y-o-australian-looking-for-new-friends

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6954&p=2479071

 

[northwest]

This rings a bell - yes Pippidinny was a dirt track at the time not far past the CG site - we weren't able to drive all the way to the beach at the time ('97) - we had to do a 3 point turn and turn around back to Wanneroo Rd. Almost a perfect culdesac dump site. Must have had prior knowledge (fishing?).

Not 100% correct, the sealed asphalt ended not far past the CG dump site. The road then turned to a hard based limestone track before it started to become softer and then eventually sand dunes. Only the most serious 4x4 would attempt to go over the dunes. This spot was fairly busy with fishermen/campers who would be up at Alkimos for the weekend. I'm not 100% on this but I don't think at that time you could reach the beach between Quinns Rock and Yanchep without using Pippidinny Road, i.e. there wasn't another turning to the West off Wanneroo Rd between Hester and Yanchep Beach Road other than Pippidinny.

This dump site was always intrigued me as Pippidinny was used by guys doing burnouts etc. and it was fairly busy over the Friday - Sunday with 4x4 drivers. If you had never been there or past there you would have no idea of the road/track. No way was it just an opportunist dump site. So I agree with you that he must have had fairly good knowledge of the area.

 

[Mo Joe]

There was a reference to BRE having been signed up to a cross dressing website in the last few days which I am unable to locate the source of, is this true or just random bs?

BS...

 

[mandy.maree]

I dont see BE as a crossdresser tbh. I do think he stole womens clothing at the beginning just for his own deviant purposes..probably watched those people from outside their windows also ...maybe planned on attacking them ..and did attack some.
He had good computer knowledge. He wouldn't register for sites about that even if he was a crossdresser. Certainly not with his own name anyway...jmo

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[msvinova]

Has anyone here done research on the murder of Kerry Turner? I'd be interested in any info you have, googling news articles hasn't really given me much of an insight to that murder.

She was last seen out clubbing the night before Australia day, sound familiar?

I have just done some research on Kerry Turner and what I have found is a little alarming!

Witnesses say she hopped into a blue car that was similar to a Datsun 260c. If you have a look at the first pic (from Google) and compare it to the blue car parked out the front of BRE house...

Image from Google...

Image from out the front of BRE house...

The rear end of the cars is almost identical!

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[lavagirl]

Why do you say that..? He was registered at the Huntingdale address for the entire period 1988 - 99. That's not to say that he didn't rent elsewhere and fail to update his address. But we have no evidence to show that he wasn't living there - I'm sure the police will be looking into all that.

Madora bay was purchased by his folks in the 1990s while they were still registered at the huntingdale address, so it was likely a holiday home..
*edit* - Madora Bay was actually purchased in 1988. Definitely a holiday home.
*second edit* Maybe the folks spent a lot of time down in Madora Bay from June 1988..? When in 1988 was the Huntingdale attack?

Huntingdale attack in 1988 was Feb 15 (Monday)
Interesting that KK attack was around a similar date - Feb 12.

With two murders occurring in public holiday weekends could be due to family being away at their holiday home. Though doesn't account for CG in March or KK in Feb (unless ad hoc visit) And according to this, Mandora place was purchased after Huntington attack.

 

[jam sandwich]

If she was two years younger and went to Gosnells High she would have attended the same year as BE's brother, so good chance known to BE or his brother.

This makes me wonder if this is how they connected this assault to BE in the end.
Maybe, BE was a suspect of this in 1988 plus other people but never had enough evidence to charge anybody. Once they got a DNA match with CSK they looked at this case with more detail.
It’s possible BE may have had a thing for this girl at high school. BE may not had any success with girls in his own year as they may have found him weird/strange or lacking personality.
Younger girls tend to be more interested in older guys as ones their own age are immature. They generally go for seniors or maybe BE thought this….he might of thought he would have better luck with the younger ones. Maybe, he asked her out or something and she shrugged him off. Maybe, he tried a few times and gradually became more obsessed with her.
After he left school it’s possible this obsession continued. It wouldn’t take much to find out where she lived if they both went to the same school. The fact he assaulted her inside her home and the bedroom he must have known all these details about where she lived/her bedroom etc…I just can’t see it being a random attack!
Maybe, when the files were opened again and they looked at the report the Police may have originally asked her if she suspected anyone had followed her or had previously tried it on with her. She may have mentioned BE had asked her out a few times but she wasn’t interested….bingo, they have a name to relook at. The other possibility as someone mentioned previously is that he may have seen/met her through his younger brother. Again, this is the connection to the Edwards family.
As they didn’t have BE DNA they looked at other things first to see any other connections. The only other clues they seemed to have that we are aware of is the upholstery fibres from a VS Commodore Series 1. Maybe, they checked to see if a car like this was ever registered to BE. If it wasn’t due to being a company vehicle it wouldn’t take much to see if this make/model was ever registered to Telecom where he worked and what was it used for. I’m sure this is how they made the two connections to BE…They were starting to build up a bit of history….hence it took a little time to arrest him for the assault/murders as they checked these details out.

 

[YoureNicked]

Jane Rimmer video (video was taken down, since last I checked, yesterday)still haunts me. She goes out into middle of Bayview Tce and looks towards Gugeri. Was she looking up at the Railway Bridge for the person she appears to be waiting for?

Could he have seen girls leaving Conti from up there? Was this where he lurked/ his 'observation tower' around closing time, looking for lone girls leaving Conti? Shortly after, MM appears. Then, 3 minutes later, Jane is gone so if she went with MM then his car needed to have been parked very close by, on Bayview Tce.

Maybe if he didn't get a Conti victim by closing time, he then moves his car around closer to Club Bayview and then lurks around the entrance to that Club, looking for girls leaving on their own. Hanging around outside as guys often do - maybe having a smoke (did he smoke?) or having a hotdog from the stand that people remember was there, lurking in dark doorways, sitting in car, having a burger or drink from HJ's to break up his 'stalking job'. Seeing girls leaving (what time did Church Lane attack happen? Early or late into the night?)

A nice, systematic routine. Scope Continental around midnight, have car handy. If no victim by time it closes, take transport close to Club Bayview, scope that doorway.

BE sounds like a very methodical guy - so he'd have organised his stalking like it was a job. First, scout Conti, have transport handy - then, if no success, take car to Club BV so it's handy and 'do' that venue.

All speculation.

 

[SN76]

I have just done some research on Kerry Turner and what I have found is a little alarming!

Witnesses say she hopped into a blue car that was similar to a Datsun 260c. If you have a look at the first pic (from Google) and compare it to the blue car parked out the front of BRE house...

Image from Google...

Image from out the front of BRE house...

The rear end of the cars is almost identical!

SaveSave​

I clearly recall this case.....freaked me out back then.

Easy to see how the two said cars can be mistaken especially as it was eyewitnessed at night.

Many similar circumstances surrounding this case which could link to CSK IMO.